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Plot holes, inconsistencies, and contradictions v.5
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Re: Plot holes, inconsistencies, and contradictions v.5
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![]() There was no need for Fred and George to use it at night . I do agree that it could have been a new addition to the car ,but I can't see Arthur not testing something to make sure it worked properly . Maybe it was so new an invention that Arthur didn't know it would fail after a few hours of continuous usage. Arthur could have just done a short test of say 1 hours length and thought it was fine.
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Re: Plot holes, inconsistencies, and contradictions v.5
Hermione get hit by a dark spell in the DOM, which nearly claims her life. So, why then, does she not express any interest in finding out more about the spell?
I think this is odd; most people, let alone Hermione, would be inquisitive or try to be knowledgeable about what tried to kill them. In HBP, it never concerns her. |
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Re: Plot holes, inconsistencies, and contradictions v.5
But HBP was just another school year, and even though the danger was more pronounced in the WW, they were safe at Hogwarts. Hermione had a lot of time on her hands, what with her going to parties and scheming against Ron, she could just as easily afforded some time looking up information in the library about the curse. The school had dark magic books she could have peeked at. It would have given her something to do.
*Not that I wanted her to be seduced by it, but it would have been nice if one of the trio had the gumption to say 'hey, we're in a war, so let's look at these books so we can see what other spells we are up against- and possibly learn some, too'. |
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We do know that Poppy told her the spell would have been much worse had Dolohov been able to articulate the actual word(s). From that, I assumed that the nurse had told Hermione something about the spell.
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Re: Plot holes, inconsistencies, and contradictions v.5
I find that difficult to believe tbh, no offense. Hermione doesn't strike me as a character to stick her head in the sand. JKR missed a trick IMO. When I read that hermione knew of fiejdfyre, I got chillbumps (in a good way).
How did wizards know the blood status of other wizards? In diagon ally, lucius says something about HG not having magical blood, but how could he know? PB families who brought into that 'pure blood is superior' mantra have been known to blast off family members who married wrongly or wronged the family. For all Lucius knew, hermione could have been half blood. I'd like to know how house elves and paintings knew. Draco Malfoy says he got his coin idea from the DA, but how? The whole point of the coins were so they were inconspicuous. So how could he have known about them? |
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I got the impression from something Ron said that there weren't very many pureblood families left any more. Since Lucius did not know her family, it was easy for him to deduce that she was not a pureblood. And, because the Grangers were in Diagon Alley dressed as Muggles and exchanging Muggle money, her blood status was pretty clear.
As far as the paintings go, they could travel from one to the other, so news could travel very quickly. I can't speculate on house elves, they have a magic of their own, but much like servants in Victorian England, they blend into the background, and many people are indiscreet when they don't realize someone is listening.
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Weren't the Galleons charmed so that the serial number would reflect the time and date of the next meeting? How did Draco manage to use it to communicate other things with Rosmerta?
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I always got the impression that because the whole confession and the "battle" afterwards were secret everyone knew about it and the majority of the details. At one point the narrative dose say that despite a few things (Fudges head being turned into a pumpkin) Harry is surprised by how accurate the rumors are.
The other possibility is that as Marietta confessed everything to Umbridge she knew about the coins and told the Inquisitorial Squad what they were this wouldn't have taken Draco long to realize that it was the same charm as Voldemort used on him .... I think I am right in saying he had gained his Dark Mark by the time he used the coin.
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Well, Rosmerta was also under Draco's Imperius Curse, so all he had to do was devise any kind of code and give Rosmerta the means to interpret it through that Imperius.
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However, I think Lucius would have known regardless. The wizarding world is a small community and they seem to know everybody who is part of it. That makes it easier for muggleborns to be identified - they didn't grow up there and are obviously new faces. Seeing them in Diagon Alley while buying school supplies - witches and wizards would be able to tell which parents were muggles by their clothing as well as the need to exchange muggle money for wizard gold. Lucius pegged the Grangers as muggles on sight even without knowing those were Hermione's parents. First year muggleborns wouldn't have wizarding robes yet either. So I think a lot of it just comes down to witches and wizards knowing each other and being able to recognize muggles. Quote:
There's also the fact that Draco got the idea to sneak the poison into the school in a bottle of wine by eavesdropping on Harry and Hermione while they were talking in the library. Draco had used such tactics in the past as well. He found out about the plan to give Norbert to Charlie by tricking Ron into giving him the textbook he had stuck Charlie's letter in. I don't think any of that was intentionally carried out by Draco - it all sounded more like he got lucky in being in the right place at the right time and Ron giving him that particular book without realizing he was handing over the letter as well. But Draco was clever enough to take advantage of those things and use what he learned. He may have found out about the coins simply through eavesdropping on a conversation or even as part of the Inquisitor squad with Umbridge talking about them when he was around. The one constant at Hogwarts is that it was nearly impossible to keep anything a complete secret. Like Dumbledore told Harry in the first book - what happened between him and Quirrell was a complete secret so "naturally, the whole school knows". It would be simple enough to devise a numerical code to pass messages - you just have to assign each letter a number. The DA used the serial number because all they were passing was the time and date of meetings. But a numerical code could be used to pass any kind of message. That's likely what Neville did when they started using the coins again in DH - and how he was able to let those who were not at Hogwarts, but still had coins, know that Harry had returned and tell them to come back so they could overthrow Snape.
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This is my first time in this thread, and I was wondering if this has been discussed. It's regarding PoA that I never thought about before until recently.
Now, as we all know, the twins have had the Marauder's Map since their first year at Hogwarts. Two years later, Ron starts Hogwarts. I'm pretty sure the twins were still using the map before handing it over to Harry. How come the twins never noticed Peter Pettigrew on the map? Well, not necessarily Peter, but how come they never noticed that someone was usually always tagging along with Ron? Or even Harry for that matter. How come he never noticed an extra person with Ron? We know that Peter didn't disguise or hide himself or trick the map because Lupin saw him on it and as he said, "The map is never wrong".
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Colin Creevey is muggle, right? So what is he doing at Hogwarts in DH? I thought muggleborns were banned from Hogwarts, and were being rounded up by the ministry. I know there is apparition but they don't learn this until the 6th year. And, obviously, as a muggleborn he couldn't simply just walk around wizarding areas, for fear of capture. Was this ever explained?
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