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Old August 5th, 2009, 1:06 pm
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Re: Creating a movie accurate costume

Update:
I've managed to find the source image for the 2nd of the 2 images above
http://www.oclumencia.com.br/galeria...bum=38&pos=207

(Good ol' Oclumencia )

- it turns out it was an image from GoF which is why I didn't find it first time around

Still can't find the source image for the 1st one though (under either a GoF or OoTP search). Anyone know where I can view the full sized image?

Also - still on the hunt for a good shot of the shoes if anyone knows of any?

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Old September 2nd, 2009, 10:53 am
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I folks, it's been a while so I just thought I'd check back in to see if anyone may know where I can find a full sized version of this image?



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Old October 23rd, 2009, 5:34 pm
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Hi All,

Time to post up a plea for help with this one as I don't think I'm going to get anywhere else with this as I suspect HP films / WB won't be releasing any more (related) pics now until the new film is out.

Just a quick recap for anyone who's not familiar with my quest!
I'm trying to create a full movie accurate recreation of Lord Voldemort's costume as he appears in The Order of the Phoenix, complete with full head prosthetics. The costume itself needs to be as close to the original as possible (including fabric colour, type, weight, layers, etc - you get the picture ;-) )

Anyway, I'm really struggling (and always have done) to get any decent reference shots of his shoes as in the movie they very rarely show.

This is one of the few pics I have of the shoes.... it still isn't great as you can only see a portion of them, but I'd appreciate your thoughts on it:

Linky 1:
Promo shot:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2572/...eed99538_o.jpg

Linky2:
Behind the scenes shot
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2434/...8cc6e7c0_o.jpg

Linky 3:
Screengrab from the film:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3047/...a9b67c5f_o.jpg

Linky:
Screengrab from behind the scenes footage (showing the side profile of the shoe / boot)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3201/...b5056684_o.jpg



Until the recent promo pic was released I thought I'd have been looking for some "soft" fabric type shoe such as this:



...which is an 1830's Damask Gaiter boot, as that's the kind of fashion other wizards seemed to have (such as Dumbledore)... but in the promo pic it almost looks like some kind of solid, shiny material like rubber?

I've had a Google for a while and am coming up blank.

Any thoughts?

I guess my key questions would be:

a) does anyone know what material this is / could be?
b) does that type of shoe that could be? (I'm thinking it's still probaby some kind of "ankle" boot)

Based on what I originally thought it may have been (i.e. a soft fabric) and also things which may reflect the style you may "expect" it to be for a wizard (i.e. a soft "slipper" shape, as opposed to a hard Doc Martin) I've also tried lateral searching for things like climbing boots (but the soles are normally very thick rubber for grip), motor racing shoes, slippers, loafers, boots, shoes, ankle boots... but nothing

.... but a Google doesn't bring up any matches in terms of style so maybe it was custom made?


c) DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CLEARER REFERENCE IMAGES - I've been searching for over a year now and so far these are the only one's I've been able to get - you'd really make my day if you do!

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Old October 24th, 2009, 12:10 am
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No idea, I think I actually assumed Voldemort went barefoot

Maybe I got this notion from the graveyard scene in GoF, he isn't wearing shoes there is he? And may I ask why you are doing this?

I'd recommend just going with something close...it's not like anyone will know the difference if not exact. Well, good luck figuring it out.


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Old October 24th, 2009, 2:02 am
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No idea, I think I actually assumed Voldemort went barefoot

Maybe I got this notion from the graveyard scene in GoF, he isn't wearing shoes there is he? And may I ask why you are doing this?

I'd recommend just going with something close...it's not like anyone will know the difference if not exact. Well, good luck figuring it out.
This is exactly what I thought I thought he was barefoot, but then looked at the pictures, but like you said I think it came from the GoF the graveyard scece.
It looks like a velvet of some sort or even suade?
Did you try looking online to see if you can order something like the shoes on a website?? Thats the only thing I can think of or get the material and have someone make them? It might cost you but your costume will be great if you could get them!
Awsome costume if you get it all together!
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Old October 24th, 2009, 3:46 am
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I'd always thought he went barefoot. Because, In the graveyard scene, he just stepped out of the cauldron, put on a cloak, and asked for his wand. He never put on any shoes. Although, In the pictures, it looks like he might be wearing some kind of green leather (If that even exists). Maybe some kind of loafers, definitely without shoelaces. Voldemort doesn't have time for such frivolous little things like tying shoes. You could also try contacting one of the "Official Harry Potter" costume designers. Maybe get in touch with WB?

Probably something like this:


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Old October 24th, 2009, 4:30 am
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Re: Help Needed - Voldemort Shoes

I am going way out on a limb here, but have you ever tried contacting the costume designer? I don't know the likelyhood you would get an answer, but I guess you never know.

I tried looking for some pictures but it seems the only clear foot shots are when he is barefoot. It's also quite possible that he didn't wear the same shoes in each film.

Good luck with your search! If I come across anything, I'll be back.


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Old October 24th, 2009, 12:54 pm
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Hi All,

To answer some of the question above about why it needs to be so accurate (valid questions) it'll probably help if I do a very quick recap of why I need to do this to a certain standard.

I'm a member of a UK costuming club (which in turn is part of a wider Worldwide club) and we specialise in making our costumes as Movie accurate as possible. To give you an example of what I mean, I've also got a set of StormTrooper armour, and a few years ago someone managed to chat with someone who actually worked on the films and (long story short) managed to find out the exact make and colour of the paint they used for the Ab Plate buttons - as a result, most of us now have ab plate buttons using the exact same paint as the originals - this is true for almost all aspects of our costumes.... to some it may sound a little an*l I admit bit the overall effect is often worth it (esp. when you see an army of 100+ Movie accuate Stormtroopers marching along with Darth Vader - you get the idea

Anyway, I want to follow the same ethos for Voldemort - i.e. same fabric colours, weights, etc for the costume, same shoes. I'm even doing a full head prosthetic rather than a partial one so that I can try to compensate for his nose which was digitally removed in the film.

Re his feet - yep, you're right that in GoF he doesn't have any (shoes that is!). Also, I think his robes in that film were different . It looks like they were more layers of silk (I think) as they seem to flow differently (and are much more transparent in some scenes)

In OoTP his robes seem much more solid, which I guess it to emphasise the fact he's getting his powers back.

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I am going way out on a limb here, but have you ever tried contacting the costume designer?
Good question. Yep, I've been chatting with HP Films on an off for a little while. I wont go into details, but sadly let's just say I wasn't able to get any reference pics of the shoes.

I've not tried contacting Jany or any of the other members of the costume dept directly as I suspect they'd be bound by a confindentiality contact so would probably have to point me in the direction of the Directors anyway.... that said, if anyone has any contacts who may be able to help "unofficially" I've love to know - all I need is a pic of the shoes

I hope that helps clarify why I'm trying to get them so accurate.... and why I'm struggling



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Old April 23rd, 2010, 10:32 am
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Hi All,

Right, so it's been a few months since my last update and what a busy few months it's been!

I'm really pleased to say that I finally managed to "fill in the blanks" and the actual build process has now started!

I won't post up all my pics (there's far too many) but here's a few "teasers" of bits I've been working on so far..

Shoes:
After months and months of painstaking research I never really thought I'd ever get to the bottom of these were. I'd managed to narrow them down a lot but still wasn't sure about key things like whether they were "lace ups" or "Slip ons".

Then at the 11th hour (literally on the day I decided to finally bite the bullet and buy a pair) I found another bit of "behind the scenes" footage which revealed finally the answer I'd been looking for! (and that the ones I was about to buy were wrong!). So now I have a pair which I'm 99% sure are about as close as I'm ever going to get.

I wont put up a pic yet as I still need to dye them, so my turn to keep you guys in suspense!


The Wand:
The wand was the bit I've had the longest, and needed the least mount of work, so let's start with that. All I really needed to do for this was to remove the "copyright" text as that wouldn't have really been "movie accurate", and would have spoiled the illusion somewhat!

Step 1:
Very gently sand off the copyright text with something very gentle like a very fine nail file (sand paper may be too coarse) - unfortunately I forgot to take a "before" pic but here's after the gentle sanding
pics:    


  



Step 2:
You'll find that where you've sanded off the text, even if you do it really gently, the underlayer will be slightely pailer, so to help blend this back in, make a mix of wet paprika (yep, paprika ), and spread on ONLY over the area you want to stain.



Ideally you want to leave this for a while, re-spread, leave again, etc - this will result in a more natural level of coverage & blending.

That said, it's not overly harsh staining either (it's just to lessen the "whiteness") so you should just be able to leave it overnight.

You'll probably want to have it staining for at least 12 hours.


The end result:
I'm actually trying another 24 hours to see if I can take the staining even further, but you can see is this pic that the colour contrast has been significantly reduced (I struggled to see where it was when taking the pic!)


... so there you have it... wand staining for the cost of a scoop of paprika


The Teeth:
This pics shows a comparison of my new fake teeth against the originals.



The Lifecast:
OK, so some of you may remember that I previously had a lifecast done in a substance called "Body Double" which is a silicone. (see page 2 for pics:http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=118647&page=2 )

Well, for a couple of reasons I had to have it redone (mainly as I now have my Voldy teeth so they'd effect the overall cast) so this time we thought we'd try it in Alginate as it's way way cheaper!

(* Disclaimer: The following DO NOT show the complete process so DO NOT attempt to use this as a guide. Lifecasts should always be done by someone who know what they are doing and the risks involved)

OK, so legal bit over Let's get on with the fun messy bit!

Applying the baldcap:
(yeah, I know, t's not a pretty sight - sorry about that! )


Applying plaster bandages to the back (we're doing a direct plaster bandage back):


Ribbing reinforcements on the back:


Applying the Alginate:


More alginate....mmmmmm ...al...gin...ate


Starting to apply plaster bandages to the front:


The finished item (just drying before removal):


The alginate negative:


The level of detailing is amazing, and there were hardly any air bubbles - even around the eye's which normally trap them (just the 2 by my nose really)



So next comes the cleanup.
We had a bit of an issue as it looked like despite the support bandages being really really strong there seemed to be a bit of an alignment issue.
(It looks like the back had "Shifted" to the right.)



So to fix that, I sanded down one side, and added extra layers of plaster to the other side, ready to sand back to the right size / shape (hopefully :oops: )


The cleaned up front:


.. and the cleaned up rear (I'm really pleased with it )

  



.... so that's the latest so far... more to follow in a few days hopefully



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Old April 26th, 2010, 10:23 am
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Now for the really exciting stuff - the robes

It's taken a long LONG time to research these. It was really important to me to try and get the fabric as close as possible so that it would look and move right. To me, having the whole "flowing" effect was vital to the success of this.

In addition, there have been a few dilemma's. For example, in the film the robes almost look black, so understandably, most people think they're black. However, as anyone who's been following this thread will know, they were actually green. However, this presented me with a dilemma.... as I'm trying to get this as "movie accurate" as possible, do I go with what's true to the costume.... or how the costume appears on screen

In the end, I opted to go with staying true to the costume itself (so going with green rather than black), but going a touch darker with the dye so that it's almost half way between the two.

Hopefully, that way, if I'm in a darker room it will still look more like black, and equally, it's true in colour to the original costume (hope that all makes sense)

(Note: In the pics below they look a bit more green than they actually are due to the flash)

I've got some really talented friends (which is handy as I'm pretty useless with anything fabric related! ) so I can't take the credit for the follow as this is their handy work. (Well, OK it's a team effort as there have been a few of us working on it)

I'd love to hear what you think of everything so far

Collar:


Under Robes:



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Old April 26th, 2010, 1:13 pm
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Ummmm....WOW! That's about all I can say. I am in complete awe.

I can't believe how long you have been working on this. You bring a whole new level of dedication to a hobby!

Everything looks amazing and that doesn't seem nearly enough to say for all the work you have put into this.

Can't wait to see it all come together.


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Old April 26th, 2010, 2:05 pm
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Lolz, wow...

Quite interesting and time-cosuming, I'd say. Well, at least it's worth it to you people. Creativity's always a good thing!


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Old June 15th, 2010, 1:02 pm
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Hi All,

Well, it's been a while since my last update to it's about time for another.

Firstly.... my robes.... THEY'RE FINISHED!!!!!!!

I'm soooo pleased with them. They're perfect! However, I'm afraid you're going to have to wait a little bit longer to see them as I want to show them in their full glory when the head is finished.

Speaking of which, today I finally got to the stage of pulling the fibreglass positive, so figured it was time to add some more pics.... enjoy



(I had a few mishaps along the way so I've included those as it's handy to see what can go wrong as well as right I find )


Clay Wall:    


  

  


Eeeek!!!
OK, so to show it definely doesn't all go smoothly, here's what happens if (like me) you're not able to work on this more than a few hours a week, and you leave the clay wall too long....
more pics:    


  


Note to self: next time,
a) only build the clay wall when you have time to do the next step soon after, or
b) spritz it with some water and cover it with a damp towel


Clay wall (Take 2) - This time it's much smoother and more level



Again, a pic of a mishap - this time, it's the fibreglass not fully supporting the Gelcoat, but in my defense it wasn't for the want of trying. I just couldn't get the bloomin fibreglass to take hold in each of the keys.

That said, I also left the clay wall up for a long time again (this time, to make sure the fibreglass was fully set) so in hindsight I'd probably try to remove it a bit earlier whilst it was still moist.


Applying 1st layer of silicone - Tilsel 7025:




Applying layer 2 - this time using Tinsel Spray 7025.

Unfortunately Neill doesn't say in the DVD how much you need so I mixed up 500g as per coat 1.... I ran out... mixed up another 200g... still ran out.... figured sod it and mixed up the rest of the batch, so all in all ended up using a whole 1kg of Spray 7025!

Layer 3 - Tinsel 7025






Cleaned up front (clay wall removed)



Fibreglass negative




Working on the negative




The cleaned up negative




Fibreglassing (creating) the positive


... joins done...


The front of the head released from the negative mould.


Front & Back released - I'm pleased the seams came out well.
It looks like the lips may not have been sat quite right in the mould as they seem a little flat, but hopefully this shouldn't be very obvious in the final cast.

  



Think I could get a job as a smurf????


So that's it so far, but now the fun can start as I just need to get rid of the seams and then the actual scultping can start - I'm sooooo looking forward to finally making a start, but also so nervous as I'm not very arty so god knows how it will turn out. Wish me luck!!!


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Old June 15th, 2010, 1:10 pm
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Well probably not a smurf, but possibly a role if there's another Avatar movie!

Seriously though...I still cannot believe how much time and effort you are putting into this! It is really incredible to see it coming together.


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Old June 22nd, 2010, 11:24 am
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Oh Avatar... now there's another create costuming idea ....pleeeease don't give me more ideas!

Right, I did try posting this a week or so back but it seems to have gone walkabout (and doesn't seem to show any signs of appearing so hopefully this won't be a double post...)

.... another quick update.... the shoes

Long story short (as the long version is no doubt floating around in another thread somewhere), I finally managed to get enough reference pics to track down the shoes and now have the exact same model as used in the Films (see, those 2 years of research weren't entirely waisted )

Anyway, before I go on, here's a quick question for you...

What colour are these shoes?:    


  

  


How about now?:    


  

  


If you said black for the first pic, and then green for the 2nd, you'd actually be wrong, but I'd love you for it
(They're both exactly the same shoe, and the pics were taken just seconds apart from each other (with the same settings) but they're both green :wink: I'll explain why I just waisted 30 seconds of your life with that little question )


One of the challanges I've had with the shoes was finding out what colour to dye them. This is because in some pics, they look black, whereas in other pics they look most definately green :?

(see this for an example of how green then can look in some pics:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2572/...eed99538_o.jpg)

I did a load of different test swatches a while ago (using different dyes, and different techniques), but held off dying the actual shoes until my robes were completed.

So (seing I now have my robes ), I decided I'd make a start on dying them (comparing them with the robes as I went) ..... and I'm really pleased with the result.

In certain lights (not necessarily "dark" conditions (as you can see in that first pic, it's still pretty light)) they look black(ish)... you wouldn't really know they were green unless it was pointed out)

However, if you put them in a much brighter environment the colour really becomes much more apparent (as does the colouring of the robes)

The effect is exactly what seems to be happening in the promo shot above as all off the colours are actually way off what you'd expect based on the film (Ralph's very tanned colour gives that away )

So I'm chuffed to bits as it's something I wasn't sure I'd get quite right, but thankfully its worked out better than I could have hoped


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Old June 22nd, 2010, 12:19 pm
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Shoes look great! Where did you end up finding them?


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Awesome research there!


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Well, it's a bit of a long story, but at the 11th hour I managed to find a bit of "behind the scenes" footage which showed more clearly what they were (which was great as it turns out the ones I was going to get up to that point (Sansha's JB1's) wouldn't have been right... but were the closest thing I could fine at that point in time) ... I literally had the shopping cart open at the time but thought I'd have one last check... talk about lucky!

It turns out, that they're definately more like "shoes" as opposed to boots in terms of height, and definately didn't have laces, so based on the shape and how it looks like they're made from a soft fabric, it looks like they were most likely "split sole Jazz boots". So in the end I went for "Capezio CG05" as these were the closest I could find and I just ordered them online from a dance store. They look a pretty good match so I think they're as close as I'm going to get.



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Old June 30th, 2010, 11:55 pm
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Update 30th June 2010:

Well, tonight I finally reached the stage where I could make a start on the actual sculpt!

Here's what I had after an hour:
View sculpt:    


  


.. and after about 3 hours:

  



It's only really really rough test sculpt but the aim was to get an idea of exactly how flat I may be able to get the nose (as I know I'll never get it really flat), and so far, I'm pretty pleased!

The biggest limiting factors will be the top lip (as I have very little room for manouvre with that) and the depth around the eyes (I can get away with making them look more sunken to a degree (as they are slightly in the film) but I'll have to be careful not to go too far.)

It's going to be lots of trial and error but I thought I'd share the initial test results.


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Hey i just dropped in on this thread and WOW your work is amazing bro. I like the work you do and im into the whole working with your hands thing but i feel like drawing is more my thing if you need help just tell me


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