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Re: Why did JKR feel it was necessary for us to know the Prime Minister of Britain?

I admit it could have been to demonstrate to the readers that although the Magical World is supposed to be secret from Muggle society, occasionally even magic cannot stop accidents or those bent on mayhem.

What I find odd is that the MoM seems to have a great deal of influence not only in Wizarding UK but also much of Europe. So, do all the Muggle Prime Ministers and Presidents have contact with wizard delegates?


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Old June 30th, 2007, 2:17 am
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Re: Why did JKR feel it was necessary for us to know the Prime Minister of Britain?

A thought has occurred to me. Perhaps the reason JKR wanted to introduce the Prime Minister of Britain is to set us up for uniting of the Muggle and Wizarding Worlds in an effort to thwart a mutual threat.


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Re: Why did JKR feel it was necessary for us to know the Prime Minister of Britain?

Yes, muggles will definitly come into play in the seventh book but I don't think we will see that.

This sounds crazy but I think wizards would rather be ruled by voldemort than let muggles in on their secret. However we know there will be muggle attacks and stuff so it will be interesting to see what role the muggle world will play. Just all of the events happening from a muggle perspective would be very interesting. Maybe they think that the apocalypse is coming or something crazy like that.


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World Book Day Chat, March 2004Calliope: Are the Muggle and Magical worlds ever going to be rejoined?

JK Rowling replies -> No, the breach was final, although as book six shows, the Muggles are noticing more and more odd happenings now that Voldemort's back.


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Hmmm.... I have no idea. ^.^ Good ideas, all.


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Re: Why did JKR feel it was necessary for us to know the Prime Minister of Britain?

um, I think it is to show that the wizarding world are still connected to the muggle world, and muggle events.

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Re: Why did JKR feel it was necessary for us to know the Prime Minister of Britain?

I don't believe Jo wanted to introduce us to the character (whose presence was so insignificant that I don't recall whether he was even given a name) of the other minister. I think she was merely trying to demonstrate that the lines between the magic and muggle worlds were becoming very blurred.


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um, I think it is to show that the wizarding world are still connected to the muggle world, and muggle events.
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I don't believe Jo wanted to introduce us to the character (whose presence was so insignificant that I don't recall whether he was even given a name) of the other minister. I think she was merely trying to demonstrate that the lines between the magic and muggle worlds were becoming very blurred.
i think this is the reason i dont think he has any other ties to the story.


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show the interface of parlement and the mom (given how old the mom
shouldnt ome link to the crown exist ?)and recap what happened from book three uptill the start of hbp


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Re: Why did JKR feel it was necessary for us to know the Prime Minister of Britain?

I agree it was to connect the muggle and wizard worlds, but it was also to show that what was going on effected everyone, not just wizards. Kind of a reminder that Harry is not happening in a far off world, but in our own, and the results are drastic all around.


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Re: Why did JKR feel it was necessary for us to know the Prime Minister of Britain?

I agree with SeventhSecret--when we read the books, it is often hard for us to remember "the other world" (except through the Dursleys) and how Voldemort's rise affects it as well. J.K., I think, wanted us to remember that.


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Re: Why did JKR feel it was necessary for us to know the Prime Minister of Britain?

Because it adds flavor and comic relief to the book. Personally I don't see why they should notify the Minister at all. He can't do anything about anything magical anyway except to undermine the Statute of Secrecy.

I wouldn't mind seeing Tony Blair play himself in a couple years for the movie. It would be better than being the lap- oops envoy to whatever.


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Re: Why did JKR feel it was necessary for us to know the Prime Minister of Britain?

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World Book Day Chat, March 2004Calliope: Are the Muggle and Magical worlds ever going to be rejoined?

JK Rowling replies -> No, the breach was final, although as book six shows, the Muggles are noticing more and more odd happenings now that Voldemort's back.
That only says that they won't be rejoined as a culture, not united against a common threat.

It is similar to France, the USA, and the UK joining with the USSR in WWII. The West remained rather aloof of the innerworkings of the USSR. We knew they existed, but because of isolationism we rarely saw what it was reality. Heck, some of the Russians (even today) think that the whole of the USA is just like 1920's/1930's Chicago; with mobsters mowing each other down with Tommyguns.

The uniting may be very loose, and the opposite sides may fight the cause in their own ways, while remaining very ignorant of one another.


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Re: Why did JKR feel it was necessary for us to know the Prime Minister of Britain?

I believe it was simply a literary convention of surprising the reader.

With the exception of the fourth book all the other books begin in the same way, thus leading the reader to believe that the sixth will too. I believe that the chapter was overall unnecessary to the plot, it was simply put in by Rowling to start us off with something a little bit different.

Or, maybe she thought it would be funny to keep us all waiting that little bit longer...


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Re: Why did JKR feel it was necessary for us to know the Prime Minister of Britain?

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Yes
Because wizards war in harming muggle world too.
Yea, I totally agree with that statement.


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Re: Why did JKR feel it was necessary for us to know the Prime Minister of Britain?

I think she added in that bit to bring to attention to the connection between both Muggles and wizards, and that although both worlds are very different, occurences (specifically large scale) affect not only the wizarding world, but also the muggle world.


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Re: Why did JKR feel it was necessary for us to know the Prime Minister of Britain?

I think with any story, one still has to follow a certain logic and here the logic might be.....how on earth wouldn't muggles notice what's going on. They inhabit the same space as wizards, don't they.
Voldemort killed muggles as well as wizards. Death eaters collapsed a bridge did they not. Climate is changing as the dementor breeding continues. ANd somehow the muggles just blunder along oblivious??? Even in the first novel, Vernon noticed a lot...he just made a choice to ignore it.
So I think the introduction of the "other minister" was Rowling acknowledging that it's pretty hard to really hide the magical world....and dealing with it by having wizards talk with and protect the muggle prime minister.


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That was, of course, my first thought on the subject, but she really did not need to enforce that thought using the Prime Minister. We know it simply because the Dursleys are Muggles who...ahem...raised Harry with full knowledge of the existence of Wizards and that world.

I am of the mindset that her introduction of the Prime Minister, a man of huge influence in the Muggle World, foreshadows...pardon me for saying this...All Hell Breaking Loose in the Wizarding World, and it spilling uncontrollably over to the Muggle World.
Total agreement here.

When I first read it, I thought well, gee, this obviously parallels nicely the past few years, but I knew Rowling wasn't going straight political on us. It was her tone that made me know she wasn't just speaking from a soapbox.

But yeah, I follow that playwriting rule that says not to put a gun in a play if you don't plan to use it. Rowling doesn't introduce heavy plot factors without a reason for their being influential. I don't think Rowling introduced the Muggle PM just to introduce the Muggle PM and address other small factors that easily could have been inserted in dialogue at later times. Scrimgeour could easily make his way into the plot when Hermione shows Harry the newspaper with Scrimgeour in it. Many people have said they think the films will go that route if they don't show the first chapter in the film.

Point being, I think there is another purpose for the first chapter. I think Rowling was prepping us for what would become an all-out issue for all of England, both wizards and Muggles alike, in the final book. HBP showed us only a few limited actions like taking down a bridge and what seemed like a hurricane, but if Rowling really plans to show us Voldemort at his worst, there will be more and there will be weirdness for Muggles too. I can see a situation in which the end of the book will have the Muggle world more aware of wizarding activities than ever. I could even see Rowling having a situation in which the wizarding world announces itself. But who knows?

So yeah, I'm thinking there will be a lot more destruction going on. I mean, if everyone remembers, the dementors were breeding in HBP so that created the mist with lower temps, which I had to remind myself all the time was occurring throughout the book which contributes a certain mood. I can imagine more and more increasing reports of attacks on Muggles and wizards in DH because the mood in that book needs to emphasize that the world could fall into desolation if Voldemort is not stopped, and so I think there needs to be werewolf attacks, giant attacks, dementor attacks, Death Eater attacks, major attacks on certain things such as Hogsmeade, major wizard-populated locations, all of Azkaban emptied, and St. Mungo's and the Ministry of Magic partially destroyed. If such things happen, the right mood will be reached. Only with those certain events would I actually feel like Rowling has hit the do-or-die spot for Harry and the Order. And I think Rowling introducing the Muggle PM will be part of this because that way both the Muggle world and wizard world will be on the verge of collapse.


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There could be another really good reason for showing us the muggle Prime Minister and everything else that happened in that chapter. I actually think it is going to play an important part of DH - strategically.

Think about it this way - if Voldemort doesn't have enough "troops" to take on the Ministry by sheer force, how else will he take over? If he wants to take a particularly well-guarded target, how does he breech the defenses?

Simple, remove them. Voldemort may be attacking muggles and muggle targets because, in terms of war, they are 'soft' targets, easy to attack but hard to defend - and an attack on them takes up HUGE amounts of resources to clean up the mess.

While the MoM has the Aurors spread all over the country trying to catch the random attackers and protect the muggle government and the Obliviators scrambling like mad to erase the muggle's memories and who knows what other Ministry employees out trying to deal with this, Voldemort has a cleaner shot at that things he really wants.

It's a diversionary tactic on Voldemort's part, I think. Perhaps THIS is where we see Ron figure things out. It's so much like a chess game.


 
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