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Old July 10th, 2007, 4:52 pm
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Re: The Unintended Secret Revealed in the PoA Film

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but when they were all looking at the black family tapestry didn't Sirius say something along the lines of the Weasley's being part of the Black family, but that because of their feelings about muggles that they were not on the tapestry and someone (I think Harry) was like what?..... and Sirius told him that most pureblood families were all related either by marriage or blood.....
it was the malfoy family they were talking about.

also, i was thinking about the whole draco being a werewolf and possibly biting hermione thing, and what if (definite WHAT IF) the thing draco shows Borgin is a werewolf bite, rather than the dark mark like we are made to believe...


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Old July 10th, 2007, 5:00 pm
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Re: Foreshadowing in the PoA Film

I was thinking...

1. Lily being able to see more of people

2. Snape standing between the trio and a werewolf

3. The observation that Hermione had the "soul of an old maid" or whatever--bad news for Ron.


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Re: Foreshadowing in the PoA Film

I just watched the PoA film again recently in preparation for OotP, and one line caught my attention that I don't think was brought up in these types of threads before-in the Shrieking Shack, Sirius says something to Snape about Snape "always putting his clever mind to work figuring out what he sees and, as usual, coming to the wrong conclusion." Now, that seemed really interesting to me as it hints at some event in the Marauders/Snapes past in which Snape snooped around and came to the wrong conclusion? Have we heard of such an event?


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I just watched the PoA film again recently in preparation for OotP, and one line caught my attention that I don't think was brought up in these types of threads before-in the Shrieking Shack, Sirius says something to Snape about Snape "always putting his clever mind to work figuring out what he sees and, as usual, coming to the wrong conclusion." Now, that seemed really interesting to me as it hints at some event in the Marauders/Snapes past in which Snape snooped around and came to the wrong conclusion? Have we heard of such an event?

i dont believe so...

does anyone find it odd at why crabbe and goyle ALWAYS stayed bt malfoys side?

imperius curse anyone??


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Re: Foreshadowing in the PoA Film

One of the real simple foreshadowing events that I caught the last time I watched the PoA movie was that Buckbeak saves Harry (and Hermione) from the werewolf attack. This is not in the book. The kids are hiding in Hagrid's hut in the book. Buckbeak also stops Snape from attacking Harry in HBP. So this could be one of the events that JK Rowling would consider to be foreshadowing.


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One thing is for sure, she made mention of it in an interview where she said that Alfonso wanted to place Hagrid's hut or something somewhere and she said that he couldn't do that because the graveyard goes there. In HBP we never see a graveyard, just Dumbledore's ceremony. Where is his body placed?


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One of the real simple foreshadowing events that I caught the last time I watched the PoA movie was that Buckbeak saves Harry (and Hermione) from the werewolf attack. This is not in the book. The kids are hiding in Hagrid's hut in the book. Buckbeak also stops Snape from attacking Harry in HBP. So this could be one of the events that JK Rowling would consider to be foreshadowing.
maybe its forshadowing that buckbeak is an animagus. but i could be wrong but sirius does spend an awful lot of time up with buckbeak in ootp.


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Re: Foreshadowing in the PoA Film

I think the moments are mostly the Ron and Hermione bits:
1.)The two of the holding hands at the sight of Buckbeak.
2.)The bit where they're stood at the Shrieking Shack and Hermione asks if Ron wants to move a little closer' but she actually means closer to the Shack.
But maybe also the continuous mentioning of how Harry has Lily's eyes is important too.


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I think the moments are mostly the Ron and Hermione bits:
1.)The two of the holding hands at the sight of Buckbeak.
2.)The bit where they're stood at the Shrieking Shack and Hermione asks if Ron wants to move a little closer' but she actually means closer to the Shack.
when i watched PoA again, with 6 books read now... i agree and believe it's just that simple...


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One thing is for sure, she made mention of it in an interview where she said that Alfonso wanted to place Hagrid's hut or something somewhere and she said that he couldn't do that because the graveyard goes there. In HBP we never see a graveyard, just Dumbledore's ceremony. Where is his body placed?
I remember (back in the back of my head) that at the discussion of where Dumbledore was to buried, they all said it was most unusual.

I thought Jo said plainly that the foreshadowing was when Hermione and Ron held hands in the movie. This was not really looked at again until the end of the 6th book, and even then we did not know where they were going.


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Re: Foreshadowing in the PoA Film

Here is an interview where JK Rowling mentions the foreshadowing.
Puig, Claudia. "New 'Potter' movie sneaks in spoilers for upcoming books," USA Today, 27 May, 2004
It is almost as eerie as one of the plots from her beloved best-selling books. Harry Potterscribe J.K. Rowling says the new director, Alfonso Cuarón, has a "good intuition."
Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling says that Alfonso Cuaron, who directed The Prisoner of Azkaban, which opens next Friday, inadvertently foreshadowed events that will happen in books six and seven, which she has yet to complete.
The last book published was the fifth book in the series, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. The first two movies based on the Potter books were blockbusters.
"I really got goose bumps when I saw a couple of those things, and I thought, people are going to look back on the film and think that those were put in deliberately as clues," Rowling says in an interview released by Warner Bros., which is distributing the movie.
Cuaron, for his part, says "in a way, it was intuition, but everything is so emotionally eloquent, the book gives you all the hints."
Rowling cites Cuaron's "good intuition about what would and wouldn't work" in his film version, which is a less by-the-book take on her novel than the previous two films. It's also shorter.
She particularly was impressed by his vision of the otherworldly prison guards, the dementors.
"They are just as frightening as I imagined, just superb," she says. "One of the biggest themes in the book is Harry's conquering the dementors. And the dementors for me were about depression, and not just sadness. I think Alfonso's really done a great job on that, in showing what that can feel like and the circumstance in which you become vulnerable to that."
Rowling said the process of creating the third book was "the best writing experience I ever had. Of the five books that are published, writing Azkaban was the easiest, and in some ways I think it shows. I was in a very comfortable place when I wrote (number) three: Immediate financial worries were over, and press attention wasn't yet by any means excessive."
Rowling said she was immediately intrigued by the idea of Cuaron directing the third movie. She had "really, really loved (Cuaron's most recent film) Y Tu Mamá También. Alfonso just obviously understands teenage boys, and you know my characters are 13 now. ... This is the book where Harry literally learns how to take care of himself. He finds his father, as it were, and he finds two father substitutes, but the one who actually saves his life is himself."
Rowling says she was drawn by Cuaron's ability to make a film out of classic children's novels. "I'd seen A Little Princess, which I thought was an excellent adaptation, not a very literal adaptation, but very faithful to the emotional truth of the story."
Similarly, she sees the movie as "Alfonso's version of my world. It's his baby. For the very obvious reason that books and films are such different media, to do a very literal adaptation maybe wouldn't serve the material best, and I think he's done exactly what I hoped he would do. He's put a lot of humor in there, and I think it's fantastic. I'd be very, very surprised if most people didn't find their favorite parts of the book in that film."
Also online at: http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/...vie-book_x.htm
She uses the word "events" which suggest there is more than one thing in PoA that foreshadows books 6 and 7.


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Old July 10th, 2007, 11:13 pm
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Re: Foreshadowing in the PoA Film

I think I have stated this on several other boards, but this fits here too!

the scene at the lake- sirius's soul rises from his mouth and is getting ready to get sucked out by dementors. I think Harry is a horcrux, and that is how voldy's soul will be removed while still allowing Harry to remain himself. Harry has to overcome his worst fear (dementors) to destroy a horcrux.


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But if Harry is a horcrux, won't he have to kill himself to destory a part of Voldy's soul? If he does, who will kill Voldemort? Or will Voldemort just get stronger, eventually taking over both Muggle and wizard worlds? Or if Harry dosn't have to kill himself, will he sacrifice himself in the act of killing Voldemort, like using Pettigrew's curse that blasted a city block and 13 people to kingdom come? Augh!!! It hurts my brain! *runs for the Tylenol*


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Re: Foreshadowing in the PoA Film

On the train, Lupin cast "Expecto Patronum" without speaking the incantation. This ability isn't brought up until HBP.


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Re: The Unintended Secret Revealed in the PoA Film

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There is a part in the special features that really comes forward to me when talking about PoA and that is when Alfonso Cuaron said he was talking to JK and asked about moving Hagrids' Hut over somewhere else and JK just stopped him in his tracks telling him no that he couldn't move it to that specific place because that is where the Graveyard is. ...
Hmm... there must be thread somewhere about the graveyard.
DD was the first headmaster to be laid to rest there...
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"I know that it was DD's wish to be laid to rest here, at Hogwarts --"
"Then that's what'll happen, isn't it?" said Harry fiercely.
"If the Ministry thinks it's appropriate," said McG. "No other headmaster or headmistress has ever been -- "
So who else is in the graveyard?

If the graveyard *is* the "Deathly Hallows" and in HBP they make
a point of discussing that DD wanted to be buried there....
it seems like it ought to be significant.

But why would JK be worried *where* is was on the Howarts grounds?


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Old July 11th, 2007, 11:27 pm
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After reading book 6, I think it just means that "everyone who knew her loved her" as Slughorn said.


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Re: Can the films help us determine what's important for future books? v2

I think that the films can definately help us see what's going to be important in the future: for instance Kreacher. We know that JKR told the OotP people not to cut him or else they'd be in a bind when movie seven comes out so obviously Kreacher's going to be important in some way. I don't think we can depend too much on the movie's though because each director puts their own views and theories into their movie.


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