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He is a daredevil, loyal and reckless - true Gryffindor qualities to me!
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Though, I must say it's what makes him so charming.


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Wonderfully put and I agree. Remus would have been the most useful to Voldemort, with his intellegence and skills, and also with the fact that Voldemort would have probably been gathering as many werewolves as possible at this point. He would be much more useful to Voldemort. Sirius underestimated how much of a coward and a traitor Peter could be. A bad judgement on Sirius' part, but I think he would have weighed up the options, and that is the outcome many other people would have come up with
In all honesty, I do not believe that any of Remus' close friends would ever think that Remus would 'collude with werewolves'. They knew him far too well and knew of the treatment he received from anyone in the know. They also did not carry the prejudices of society about werewolves in the way that others did - they joked about it with him in OOTP, that is how lightly they took it. In addition, we don't know if any other werewolf apart from Greyback would have considered siding with Voldemort at that time.

Nonetheless, I do agree that Both Remus and Sirius thought the other intelligent and skillful enough to be the spy - and thought Peter too much of a dunderhead to be one.


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Looking back on the first page, I just wanted to add my thoughts on which house suits Sirius best.

I think Sirius does have the qualities of other houses. He has the loyalty of Hufflepuffs, the wit of Ravenclaws and the disregard for rules like Slytherins. There isn't any character in the series that only has qualities of one house, IMO. Sirius is no exception.

Even though Sirius has the qualities all the houses, there are some I can't imagine him in. First off, Slytherin. In DH, Sirius wanted to break the tradition. If the Sorting Hat considered putting him into Slytherin, I can imagine Sirius saying no like Harry did.

Out of all the houses, I think Hufflepuff and Gryffindor have the qualities that suit him best. Sirius is intelligent, yes, but I never thought it was a big part of his personality or something he values really highly. Huflepuff's loyalty is a major part of Sirius' personality (hence his animagus form) and Sirius has the courage and recklessness I associate Gryffindors with. So, out of the two houses, Gryffindor and Hufflepuff suit him best, but judging on Sirius' love for thrills, Gryffindor is a better candidate out of the two of them.

So, IMO, even though Sirius has qualities of all the houses, he has personality traits that are bigger part of who he is.

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Though, I must say it's what makes him so charming.
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Even though Sirius has the qualities all the houses, there are some I can't imagine him in. First off, Slytherin. In DH, Sirius wanted to break the tradition. If the Sorting Hat considered putting him into Slytherin, I can imagine Sirius saying no like Harry did.
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Looking back on the first page, I just wanted to add my thoughts on which house suits Sirius best.

I think Sirius does have the qualities of other houses. He has the loyalty of Hufflepuffs, the wit of Ravenclaws and the disregard for rules like Slytherins. There isn't any character in the series that only has qualities of one house, IMO. Sirius is no exception.



Out of all the houses, I think Hufflepuff and Gryffindor have the qualities that suit him best. Sirius is intelligent, yes, but I never thought it was a big part of his personality or something he values really highly. Huflepuff's loyalty is a major part of Sirius' personality (hence his animagus form) and Sirius has the courage and recklessness I associate Gryffindors with. So, out of the two houses, Gryffindor and Hufflepuff suit him best, but judging on Sirius' love for thrills, Gryffindor is a better candidate out of the two of them.

So, IMO, even though Sirius has qualities of all the houses, he has personality traits that are bigger part of who he is.
Good point I always seem to forget that Hufflepuffs are extremely loyal (I blame Zacharias Smith), and just remember that they are truly hard workers (which I guess, wouldn't be Sirius), but I still agree.


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Good point I always seem to forget that Hufflepuffs are extremely loyal (I blame Zacharias Smith), and just remember that they are truly hard workers (which I guess, wouldn't be Sirius), but I still agree.
I only remembered while writing that post that Hufflepuffs were loyal as well. But I think Sirius was hardworking, in a way. He and James dedicated years to become unregistered animagi.


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I only remembered while writing that post that Hufflepuffs were loyal as well. But I think Sirius was hardworking, in a way. He and James dedicated years to become unregistered animagi.
This is true. On the other hand, he seemed to be brilliant and he apparently achieved good results in school without studying hard.


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This is true. On the other hand, he seemed to be brilliant and he apparently achieved good results in school without studying hard.
That's true. I think that Sirius is hardworking when he wants to be. In classes, I think Sirius didn't need to work really hard because none of it challenged him.


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In DH, we see Sirius' room at 12GP. How does the room reflect his personality?

I think that Sirius's room reflected his personality in its utter impression of rebellion. Sirius, to me, was someone that ignored the rules, and acted as far away from what was expected of him as possible. Lovable, charmingly rougish, loyal, rebellious, carefree, reckless. That is how I, to a certain degree, think of Sirius. That, I think, is reflected in how he chose to decorate his room - with permanent sticking charms!


The letter from Lily shows that they got along very well. Has the letter changed your view on Sirius' relationship with his best friend's wife?

Yes and no. I always believed that Lily and Sirius had to have grown close over the years - Lily loved James, but I do not believe that it was solely because of the Padfoot and Prongs brother-like relationship that Sirius was made Harry's Godfather, for example. I also think that Lily had to have trusted Sirius with everything for her to agree to firstly agree to have him as secret-keeper, and then to accept his change of plans, in giving the job to Peter. Given the lives on the line, these things would have been a joint decision between James and Lily, and she would have had to trust him whole-heartedly to agree to this. So, that they were close was never in doubt in my mind, but it was a surprise to get an insight into their relationship. That said, I think in the very early years, Lily may have been more of a friend of Remus's, and it was not until she got to know Sirius through him and James that Lily would have become so close to him.


Why did Sirius mistrust Remus in 1981? Was Peter to blame for the rift?

Sirius says in the shack at the end of PoA that he persuaded Lily and James to change to secret-keeper because he believed that Voldemort would never believe him capable of such a position. In return, I don't think Sirius thought him capable of betraying him and James. I see Peter as more of a follower than a leader, and I think that Sirius and James most likely thought that Peter was their follower, and would not waver in this. Taking both this, and the fact that he knew he himself was not the traitor, I think Sirius saw Remus left as the only logical choice if it was one of the Marauders that was passing on the information. As well, part of Remus may still have been holding back from Sirius, incapable of trusting him with everything after the Werewolf incident, and Sirius could have mistaken that for with-holding something else, though the latter part of this is merely conjecture. Peter played his part well, too, I think, and could have played on the 'idiot brother' role I think many saw him taking amongst the Marauders, though I can find no proof of how, or even if, he acted to play Remus and Sirius off against one another.


Did Sirius know that his brother left the Death Eaters at the time? Would he have helped him?

I think that Sirius would have known very little about Regulus's plans at the time. Though determined to leave the Death Eaters, I think Regulus was too proud to ask for Sirius's help. The two, I believe, were very close until Hogwarts - or at least, until Sirius went to Hogwarts. Though one brother joined the Order and the other the Death Eaters I think Sirius and Reulus were fundamentally alike - it is just that their loyalty was to very different things. Regulus's was to his family, and their name and reputation, and Sirius's was to the Marauders. I think Sirius was wholly unaware of Regulus's intentions, but had he been, I believe Sirius would have helped Regulus hide as readily as he did James.


Sirius never had the chance to grow up. Has the character matured at all?

In some ways yes, in others no. Sirius post Azkaban has to actually deal with the reality of James's death. In Azkaban, to a certain extent, his focus was on his guilt, and then his determination to bring Peter to justice - the real world with Harry and Remus and actual physical reminders of James and Lily's deaths I think brought home to him a little the realities of their being gone. As well, Sirius had to be responsible for Harry post Azkaban. When Harry was a baby, Sirius's godfatherly duties would have been limited to swearing to protect him, and bringing him treats every so often, when he was able to visit. Later, Sirius had to work hard to help Harry through the tournament and give him very real advice. He still kept a part of his reckless core with him in this, mostly in OotP, but he was quite responsible for Harry. That said, he never had the chance of normal adulthood, and I think this was partly responsible for the depression he suffered in OotP.


How did Deathly Hallows influence your view on Sirius? Were you pleased or disappointed with the role he played?

I wish we had seen more of Sirius in Deathly Hallow, and learned more about him from what was left at Grimmauld Place. What we did see reminded me of his rebellious, lovable rouge side, and when we saw him in the Forest at the end, I do think the way he was then, seemingly younger, and more alive and vibrant, was the old Sirius, the way he would want to be remembered, and the way I think of him personally.


Was Sirius right in how he treated Harry? Was he a good godfather?

Sirius is one of those characters that does not always make the right decisions in life, but who always has the right intentions. He may not have always given Harry the right advice or encouragement - like his downhearted appearance in the Gryffindor fire in OotP, or his attempts to start an argument to try and get Harry into the Order when Molly shouts at him that Harry is not James - but Sirius hasalways acted to do what he thinks is best for Harry. His actions may not always be right, but his intention is always true. What is clear from everything is that Sirius loved Harry very much - an extension of James and a bit like his own son.


Would Sirius have died for Peter Pettigrew in 1981?

Yes. Sirius would have died for anyone he cared for. When he signed up for the Order, yes he would have thought it an adventure to fight Voldemort and stand up against the values he had come to hate his family's reverance of - but he would also have known what he was getting himself into. He would have known it was a matter of life and death, and in those circumstances you would die for your fellow soldiers. As well, Sirius trusted Peter right up until the moment he realised Peter was the spy on the night Lily and James died. Until that moment Sirius would have died for Peter.


Do you think Sirius asked to be sorted into Gryffindor?

Yes and no. I think that Sirius wanted to be sorted somewhere other than Slytherin, and the hat would have picked up on it. As has been commented upon previously, I think that like Harry, Sirius does hold a couple of good Slythyerin qualities (all Marauders can be cunning and sneaky! and have a slight disregard for the rules) but they were outweighed by his true courage to WANT to be something other than what his family wanted and expected for him. A courage that Regulus certainly did not possess. I don't think Sirius had the straight Slytherin vs Gryffindor choice that Harry, to a certain extent, was given. I think that Sirius represents so many of the houses, he could have been placed in any - I think he was laced in Gryffindor because it is his Gryffindor traits of nobillity and courage and reckless bravery that dominate his personality.


What was Sirius' enmity with Snape based on?

Sirius, I think, was everything Snape wanted to be - a pure-blood from a family heavily involved in the Dark Arts, and with endless influence. Snape, on the other hand, was everything that Sirius despised in his family in terms of their beliefs. It has been said more than once in the history of the British Empire, that the middle classes hold the most snobbery. Transferring class into blood status, we would place the middle classes as the half-bloods. Snape was a half-blood and so he hated those of no blood at all because it helped him fight the inferiority he held as a half-blood.


Sirius apparently suffered from depression in OotP. Do you think that he got any support from his friends and fellow Order members? How was his relationship with them?

I think that most of Sirius's support came from Remus and Tonks. The latter was the only constant thing in his life from the old, Marauding days, and a living memory of happier times with Lily and James. Tonks, I think, reminded Sirius that he was not the only Black that had done good things, and could be a good person. I think that those two were together, at least for a time, in the course of OotP, and I think that they were partly brought together by spending so much time with Sirius. Dumbledore has often been criticised for how he keep Harry in the dark in OotP, and I think that in this time he failed Sirius a little too - keeping someone like Sirius so caged could only have had the effect that it did - him running off so recklessly. It does not surprise me that Sirius was depressed at this time - living in a house that he despised with horrific memories of the past, and the knowledge that he could do so little. It is the last of these that I think affected him so much. Sirius, though intelligent, was ultimately a man of action, and I think the little he could do was not enough for him, and all he had to do was brood about the past, and the mistake he had made in 1981.


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That's true. I think that Sirius is hardworking when he wants to be. In classes, I think Sirius didn't need to work really hard because none of it challenged him.
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Sirius is one of those characters that does not always make the right decisions in life, but who always has the right intentions.

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That, I think, is reflected in how he chose to decorate his room - with permanent sticking charms!
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What we did see reminded me of his rebellious, lovable rouge side, and when we saw him in the Forest at the end, I do think the way he was then, seemingly younger, and more alive and vibrant, was the old Sirius, the way he would want to be remembered, and the way I think of him personally.
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I think that Sirius wanted to be sorted somewhere other than Slytherin, and the hat would have picked up on it.
Aha! I think this is even better than Sirius asking to be in Gryffindor.


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That's true. I think that Sirius is hardworking when he wants to be. In classes, I think Sirius didn't need to work really hard because none of it challenged him.
I completely agree... Academically things came easy to him and he didn't have to work as hard as the others but that doesn't mean he was a lazy bum. This we know from the SWM he was good at pretty much everything... But he was a hard working man. When push came to shove Sirius was capable of doing anything... even escaping dementor ridden Azkaban to save his godson from the evil rat.... I love this man...


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I completely agree... Academically things came easy to him and he didn't have to work as hard as the others but that doesn't mean he was a lazy bum. This we know from the SWM he was good at pretty much everything... But he was a hard working man. When push came to shove Sirius was capable of doing anything... even escaping dementor ridden Azkaban to save his godson from the evil rat.... I love this man...
Agreed! Sirius didn't need to work really hard in Hogwarts because he was already capable of everything asked of him. When it came to those he loved, his loyalty shined. He risked being put in Azkaban for Remus and later escaped Azkaban to get Peter away from Harry. His loyalty is one of his biggest qualities, as shown by his animagus form.


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I completely agree... Academically things came easy to him and he didn't have to work as hard as the others but that doesn't mean he was a lazy bum. This we know from the SWM he was good at pretty much everything... But he was a hard working man. When push came to shove Sirius was capable of doing anything... even escaping dementor ridden Azkaban to save his godson from the evil rat.... I love this man...
Absolutely. I think Sirius had a natural flair with the academics and he was one of those students who hardly ever put intensive hardwork and dedication to studies but achieved high flying grades in exams. With everything else, he does seem hardworking - he does everything in his power to help Harry and the Order, and is highly focused, which is one of the qualities that got him out of Azkaban to seek his revenge on Pettigrew.


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Absolutely. I think Sirius had a natural flair with the academics and he was one of those students who hardly ever put intensive hardwork and dedication to studies but achieved high flying grades in exams. With everything else, he does seem hardworking - he does everything in his power to help Harry and the Order, and is highly focused, which is one of the qualities that got him out of Azkaban to seek his revenge on Pettigrew.
We do know that he worked very hard on the Animagus transformation, though. I can see him being the sort of kid who puts in just enough work to get top grades, and finds it easy. But when something is important to him, he will work hard to achieve it.


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Okay, so Sirius is a hard worker and so he could have gone into Hufflepuff, though, I don't think that being a hard worker came naturally to him, but a skill or trait that he developed as he attended Hogwarts, but I don't see any reason for him to be hard working anytime before then.


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In DH, we see Sirius' room at 12GP. How does the room reflect his personality?

Sirius was a rebel. He refused to have anything to do with Slytherins and the Death Eaters. All that aside, I think it does reflect his personality because he believed in standing up for what you believe in.


The letter from Lily shows that they got along very well. Has the letter changed your view on Sirius' relationship with his best friend's wife?

Yes, it has. Before that letter, I did not know whether Sirius and Lily had gotten along. Now that I have read Deathly Hallows, I see that they were very close.

Why did Sirius mistrust Remus in 1981? Was Peter to blame for the rift?

In a word, no. I do not think that it was all Peter's fault. I think that each of the Marauders - with the exception of Lily - were to blame. I am sure that they all contributed in some way, shape, or form.

Did Sirius know that his brother left the Death Eaters at the time? Would he have helped him?

Knowing Sirius to be very loyal, I believe he would have helped Regulus - had he known what his brother had done, that is!

Sirius never had the chance to grow up. Has the character matured at all?

Not really. As most of you have said, he was quite reckless. Of course, he has matured when it comes to Harry, but that is another story.

How did Deathly Hallows influence your view on Sirius? Were you pleased or disappointed with the role he played?

Deathly Hallows mostly centered on Harry and Voldemort, in my opinion, so I was kind of disappointed with his role in the book.

Was Sirius right in how he treated Harry? Was he a good godfather?

He had his heart in the right place, that is for sure. However, he was not able to be much of anything because he was in Azkaban in the first two books. When his character did come into play, he really loved Harry; you could see that in his mannerisms. So my answer is yes, he was a good godfather.

Would Sirius have died for Peter Pettigrew in 1981?

Being extremely loyal, I would think that he would have tried to save Peter.

Do you think Sirius asked to be sorted into Gryffindor?

Like Harry, he wanted nothing to do with Slytherin, so my answer is yes.

What was Sirius' enmity with Snape based on?

One word: jealousy. Sirius was friends with Lily, and Snape was in love with her. So, I think he hated poor Sirius because of that.

Sirius apparently suffered from depression in OotP. Do you think that he got any support from his friends and fellow Order members? How was his relationship with them?

I really think he may have gotten some support, but not the right kind. I think there were only two people looking out for him: Lupin and Harry.


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One word: jealousy. Sirius was friends with Lily, and Snape was in love with her. So, I think he hated poor Sirius because of that.
Just elaborating a bit. Also the careless good looks, the brain without studying and pureblood status.


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While I agree that like most wizards, Sirius had various characteristics that could see him in any house, he was perfect for Gryffindor imo.

In general, he was a prankster, a bit reckless, compassionate, loyal to his friends, quick to emotion (anger, happiness, etc.), innovative, intelligent, loving, kind with a good sense of what was morally right. Imagine that he was all of those things, plus your average tall, handsome dude who was thought the height of cool and all of the girls taking notice. Like many students, he chose his enemies - the Slytherins like so many did - and he shined less kind emotions and behavior upon them. However, that was returned by Slytherins toward Gryffindors (and others) and even expected among the youths of Hogwarts.

All and all I say he sounds very much like a compilation of many of those who represented Gryffindor in the books.


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I agree that Sirius fit very well in Gryffindor. IMO, his immense bravery is his greatest strength. He does have other qualities, such as loyalty, intelligence, and cleverness/cunning that are associated with other houses, but I think, overall, he was a true Gryffindor- brave at heart, dangerous and daring, reckless, and mischievious

How did Deathly Hallows influence your view on Sirius? Were you pleased or disappointed with the role he played?

I was disappointed that I didn't get to see more of my favorite character, other than the scene of he, James, and Snape sniping at each other on the train, but I was still touched by the role he played in The Forest Again, giving Harry the strength he needed to carry him to his sacrifice.

Of course DH didn't change my view on him at all- I still love him

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Hmm...I thought I'd never do character analysis ever again after finishing high school, but here I am cos I love Sirius lol

In DH, we see Sirius' room at 12GP. How does the room reflect his personality?
Hmm..I think the decorations show his rebelliousness, and his blatant desire to stand out from his family. The photograph on the wall probably shows how important his friends were to him, maybe because he felt they were more like his family than his real one.

The letter from Lily shows that they got along very well. Has the letter changed your view on Sirius' relationship with his best friend's wife?
I never really thought about it before.

Why did Sirius mistrust Remus in 1981? Was Peter to blame for the rift?
I'm thinking maybe he knew someone close to James and Lily was passing information to Voldemort, but knew it wasn't himself, and didn't suspect Wormtail.

Did Sirius know that his brother left the Death Eaters at the time? Would he have helped him?
I don't think he would have - he isn't exactly loyal to the Blacks, so..

Sirius never had the chance to grow up. Has the character matured at all?
I think having a chance to have a relationship with Harry allowed him to mature because he had more responsibility, and cared deeply for Harry. But Sirius was always still reckless and adventurous. Can those traits really disappear after what he's been through?

How did Deathly Hallows influence your view on Sirius? Were you pleased or disappointed with the role he played?
I wanted him to come back for a bigger role! But he is still the best character

Was Sirius right in how he treated Harry? Was he a good godfather?
I think he treated Harry as both friend and son, which means Harry felt he could confide in Sirius but Sirius could also exert some paternal authority over Harry. Don't think that made sense...but all in all, I think Sirius was a good godfather.

Would Sirius have died for Peter Pettigrew in 1981?
Yes

Do you think Sirius asked to be sorted into Gryffindor?
That's actually quite possible. It could have been like Harry's sorting. This thought makes me like him more

What was Sirius' enmity with Snape based on?
I'm thinking it was his loyalty to James. And Snape's teenage self can't have helped matters.

Sirius apparently suffered from depression in OotP. Do you think that he got any support from his friends and fellow Order members? How was his relationship with them?
I think he did from Lupin. And maybe from other Order members going in and out of headquarters.


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Re: Sirius Black: Character Analysis v.4

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We do know that he worked very hard on the Animagus transformation, though. I can see him being the sort of kid who puts in just enough work to get top grades, and finds it easy. But when something is important to him, he will work hard to achieve it.
I agree; when you think about it, Sirius (and James) were terribly young when they spent three years diligently working to become animagi. Sirius also spent 21 years defying his family. These things are quickly written, but if one stops to consider just what these types of things entail, character wise, it is really quite incredible.


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