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Yes, he should have chosen Dumbledore as Secret Keeper. |
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40 | 12.27% |
Partly. He and Lily should not have agreed to switch to Peter. |
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26 | 7.98% |
No, he could not have anticipated such a betrayal. Hindsight is twenty-twenty. |
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110 | 33.74% |
No, he trusted his friends, something that paid off for Harry in DH, despite Remus' warning. |
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89 | 27.30% |
The only one to blame is Voldemort. |
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44 | 13.50% |
Oh dear, I never like Moriath's options. |
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8 | 2.45% |
Something else entirely that hopefully doesn't include Snape. |
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9 | 2.76% |
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Re: James Potter: Character Analysis v.4
If I remember correctly, the text says they both hexed each other - Snape never missed and opportunity to hex Potter and Potter didn't stop hexing Snape, unlike all the other hexing he used to do before that. I have a hard time seeing either of them as a victim here.
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Mutuality and victimhood kind of exclude each other. If two people loathe each other and both show it in various ways, I really can't see how either of them is a victim.
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Exactly how I see it.
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Except that you were arguing on the previous page that James was a victim in certain respects during his youth.
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Quote Me: "He was a victim to the same extent when young and moreso when older - he just carried it off better, and then died, so it was reflected distinctly in the canon, imo." That is the principle of mutuality ("to the same extent" when young)
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![]() In my opinion, the only place in the text in which we see James directly treated as a victim is when he is brutally killed by Voldemort.
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Mutual Victims?
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When did James & Co. make the map, anyway? I don't remember if it was ever mentioned in the books what year they made it. Anyone? |
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![]() It's really nifty how it's designed to show someone's true identity, and not fooled by Polyjuice potion or Animagus forms. I wonder if that was partly taking Prof. McGonagall's ability into consideration there, in case she was patrolling in cat form. ![]() Last edited by Annielogic; January 14th, 2010 at 6:59 pm. Reason: Added quote and answer |
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If James had wanted to sneak up on Snape he had his invisibility cloak which would have been very effective. The thing is is it clearly stated in canon that Snape spyed on them for his own purposes, and no amount of justification on his part excuses it. I for one do not think that James worried a great deal about Snape at all. He was into Quiddich, studying how to become an Animagus and he was a popular and well liked student. I think the only time Snape probably registered with him was when Snape went into the tunnel and James went to get him. I think the events of SWM were a direct result of that. His action probaly got up James and Co. noses big time over that. Not nice to say the least on James' part to attack him, in fact it is a terrible thing to do. In many ways I think James improvment in behaviour probably dates from that time. Lily let him know what she thought of his behaviour and he got a lovely gash on his cheek for his trouble. I think that that would serve as a wake-up call. |
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I would have to disagree with your final point of reasoning. Just because you have a means to catch, do catch or evade a person spying on you, doesn't mean it isn't a hassle and you are not victimized by it. You still are being victimized - perhaps not as effectively if you happen to be carrying around maps, cloaks and traveling in numbers (and constantly make use of all of that) to avoid the spy - but the hassle associated with having to do all of that on a constant basis speaks for itself, imo. Whatever adventure they were upon, be it for fun or of a serious nature, that is all they should have had to have their focus on - not being followed around by a spy. They had every right to be left alone and hassle free. I made this same point about Snape sitting on the grass with his OWLS. One could say that he should have been viligent, that all he had to do was be judicious about where he chose to sit and then look up every few moments to see who might be around - but why should he have to do that? He had every right to be left alone.
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Something that I was thinking about:
During Snape's confrontation with James in his "worst memory", he becomes so infuriated by James' taunts that he uses Sectumsempra on him, which, if properly used, cuts through most of the body. However, Snape's shaky aim (possibly due to his anger) makes it so that James only receives a deep, bloody gash on his cheek. If Snape's wand aim had been more focused, could he have possibly killed James with the spell that he had invented? At such an emotionally charged moment, was his intention to destroy James after enduring so many years of bullying? |
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The point with the Marauders Map is that in order to find out what the marauders are up to Snape has no option but to sneak around after them. If the marauders want to check on what anyone is doing they can check the map and/or use the invisibility cloak. This is what Harry did when he was snooping on Draco in HBP, so I think that it is unlikely that his father didn't do the same with his friends. I mean the Marauders have the map and the invisility cloak how likely is it that they didn't use them to snoop on people?
![]() As such the marauders had the advantage of having both these magical items and there were four of them. Now by every definition of bullying I have ever seen picking a fight with someone when you have an advantage (of numbers, size or authority) is bullying. I personally refuse to compromise on this. I was never really bullied at school, but every school in the UK is now required to have an anti-bullying policy. They also have anti-bullying weeks when they talk about what bullying is and how to deal with it. Now given everything I have done on this subject with my children, and that includes my own children being both bullied and the bully, to me it is quite obvious that James and his friends bullied Severus. No child deserves to be bullied. Bullying should never be tolerated. James was a bully and to pretend he wasn't is IMO as ridiculous as pretending that Severus was not a Death Eater. What is equally ridiculous is to try to "prove" that one of them was "better" than the other. The real point of the story as that both these men changed their behaviour.
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