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10/10 - The best film of the series. A great pace, amazing action and so emotional from start to finish. I don't want it to end! 118 33.15%
9/10 - An awesome film. My emotions were all over the place. Watching it again when I get the chance! 75 21.07%
8/10 - It was great. A fantastic way to end the series. The very minor issues were too minor to bother me. 80 22.47%
7/10 - The film was very good. I was unhappy with some of the scenes, but it works very well when you pair it up with Part 1. 40 11.24%
6/10 - A few plot points overlooked and wasn't sure about some of the changes to key scenes, but it entertained me. 17 4.78%
5/10 - Not great, just average for me. I expected more for the final movie. Maybe I will like it more if I watch it again..? 12 3.37%
4/10 - Well, all that hype and I feel a bit cheated. I just couldn't stomach some of the scenes. I feel let down. 5 1.40%
3/10 - I really wish they had just committed to one longer film instead of two parts. I would have preferred that. 2 0.56%
2/10 - Really poor. What could have been a good ending was just awful. Too much was wrong from start to finish. 3 0.84%
1/10 - If I had a resurrection stone, I'd resurrect the script and write it all again. 2 0.56%
0/10 - Avada Kedavra! 2 0.56%
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Old August 2nd, 2011, 7:48 pm
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I'll probably have more to say after I rewatch the movie. I saw it at the midnight premiere, and I tend not to remember things well if I only see/read them once.

The things I can remember that really stuck out to me:

Snape's memories. I was vaguely like... what? But at the end, with the crying and such, I cried like a baby. Sure, it might have been a bit much, but I was disappointed by the lack of tears produced from that movie, so that scene satisfied me.

Neville was awesome. End of story.

The deaths from the battle were brushed by so quickly. I was not happy. Then again, it was fairly similar in the books. Still, I was not happy.

And them there was ALL THE STUFF THEY LEFT OUT. Okay, so it wouldn't be so bad to leave a few things out, right? I mean, the fans might be sitting there going "but that was crucial!" even when it's not, but what I was irked by the most was that they hinted at things or started things without saying anything else that made those scenes make sense.

For example: Grindlewald. Who was he? He stole a wand. Good for him. What happened after that? Did he have any sort of relationship with Dumbledore? Pshh, we don't care. *cough*

Dumbledore has a sister? That's nice.

"You don't know about Dumbledore's dark past." What dark past? Eh, not important.

Dumbledore: "It's my fault." What's his fault? He didn't do the pruning in his garden properly? I mean, what was that scene about if not for revealing more about [Dumbledore's past? But for revealing that Dumbledore had things he was ashamed of and regrets he had never let go of?

Also... that mirror. Harry's just carrying it around and staring into it like a freak. Who knows where he got it? Yeah, they just skipped that part entirely. If they were going to do that, just leave the mirror out completely. Or at least explain where he got it and why it means anything at all.

That's what I took away from the movie. Hints at things that were never tied up.

I'll have to watch the movie again, but I was rather sad when I watched it. It wasn't a total disaster. I'll just have to watch it enough times to start liking it.

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Old August 2nd, 2011, 8:19 pm
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It wasn't that bad, but it wasn't great, either.
I dunno what all the hype is about...probably because it's the last film and everyone got emotional.

Let's start with the positives.

The beginning was wonderful! I love how they showed the "RIP..." etc and all. It connected really well from Part 1 to Part 2.

The special effects were brilliant. The acting was spot-on most of the time, and Snape's acting just blew me away. ALAN RICKMAN IS SO FREAKING PERFECT AS SNAPE.

The battle scenes were breathtaking, and again, the special effects made it even better.

The Ron/Hermione scenes were awesome.

The parts I liked the best that I thought were really well-made were: the beginning, the break-into Gringotts and flying on the dragon, Neville in general, the scenes of Hogwarts and the protection scenes, when Voldemort's voice shook the castle and the girl screamed, the Fiendfyre scene, Snape's memory, every single moment in the forest including "AVADA KEDAVRA!", and the Epilogue.

Ron and Hermione's kiss was alright, but I liked it better in the books.

Let's go to the negatives.

First off, although the scenes were beautiful, the direction and the movement from scene-to-scene was off. An example would be Neville beheading the snake. I mean, I know they wanted to create a new kind of feeling with the changing of scenes, but seriously, the part in the book was way too epic to be changed.

Ron was, once again, ignored. I liked the epic lines that he did have, though. But that one part...Harry telling Ron and Hermione that he's going to the forest (which absolutely does not make sense, very OOC), and then Hermione hugging Harry and Ron just standing there? WHAT? Your best friend is about to die and you just stand there?! Director, where is the bromance?!! And how come he didn't yell "HE BEAT YOU!"? ugh. Ron's lack of screentime and lines always frustrates me. Luckily, though, Hermione didn't take his lines this time.

The movie completely devastated symbolism in the book. First, the way Voldemort died. No, he does have a body. Just because he's evil doesn't mean that he's going to turn into dust. Also, I never understood Harry snapping the Elder wand in half. It was done so cleverly in the books - how he repairs his own wand with it and leaves the Elder Wand back with Dumbledore. Ugh.

Also, the battle would have been way more epic if Harry had put his invisibility cloak on and finally revealed himself just as Voldemort was about to kill Molly instead of jumping out of Hagrid's arms. I don't know why the directors felt the need to ruin those epic moments.

Now, the worst of it comes to the ending scene. If that had been better, I would have given this a very, very high rating. So my main problem with it was: where is everyone else when Harry and Voldemort were fighting? >O Okay, I don't mind the battle taking place outside, nor do I mind the special lighting effects, but honestly, it was kind of ridiculous how nobody was there to congratulate him once he killed Voldemort. What an epic conclusion it would have been to have everyone cheering and hugging Harry for finally ending Voldemort's reign. A few people clapped at Bellatrix's death, and NO ONE clapped at Voldemort's death. Really? It was the most anti-climatic ending I'd ever seen. And the fact that no one thanks him doesn't help either. Ugh.

Whew. I've let that out of my system.

The epilogue was so cute, though! And funny, everyone started giggling when they saw the older versions of them. Albus Severus was ADORABLE.


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Old August 6th, 2011, 11:56 pm
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A very entertaining film.

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Old August 8th, 2011, 1:39 am
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Alright so I finally have time to sit down and write a review of this film!

I was definatly against the film makers making The Deathly Hallows into 2 films. I stayed spoiler free and being a fan of the David Yates film I knew I'd like Part 2 (because I loved Part 1) but what they did far exceeded my expectations.

Do I think The Deathly Hallows could've been made into one film...absolutely. I even think in alot of ways it would've worked alot better but I did really enjoy Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2.

As of now I've seen it 4 times (plan on seeing it 7 ) and now I feel like I can give an honest review on it.

The film definatly feels like a giant 3rd act. Once the movie starts it never stops. I think my biggest fear when hearing that they were splitting them is that they were going to include alot of book fluff and I am happy that even with 2 movies they cut out or radically slimmed down alot of the side plots that really didn't matter.

I will say that I enjoy the Deathly Hallows movies WAY more than I liked the b ook. I honestly don't like the book at all

This movie is probably Dan's best in the series. I feel like Part 1 was more of Emma/Ruperts time to shine and they did a great job. This time the movie was the most Harry centric since movie 5. This entire movie was on Dan's shoulders and he did a great job. The moment from The Prince's Tale to Harry's 'death' was some of his best work ever (Actually those are some of the best scenes in the series)

THe movie is very entertaining. They did so many call backs that my inner fan couldn't help but smile. The soundtrack (and lack there of in certain parts) was really good. I haven't heard it on it's own yet but from what I can tell it was one of my favorites. The music Desplat composed for the battle scenes was great because it wasn't what I was expecting. It was very sad and moving and it fit. The movie moves fast and is, imo, the perfect length.

I wish Hermione as Bellatrix lasted longer I'm not going to lie!

The conversation between Harry and Griphook was wonderful. One of my favorite scenes.

Gringotts was really good aswell. The Imperius curse was a little weird but it worked alright.

The dragon is incredible. They did a great job on it.

Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort...wow. He was incredible. There were so many subtle things he did that gave the character debth. This (and Part 1) were his best turns as Voldemort and it makes sense. He actually had time to do things and that's one thing I do like about them splitting it...alot of characters had their moments and there time to shine.

I like how the handled Dumbledore's backstory....gave just enough that the book fans were happy (atleast this one was!) and leaves questions that will ultimatly suprise the movie only fans who will eventually read the books. I thought Aberforth was great. Knowing the back story you understood his emotion without them having to explain everything.

That's one thing I say i loved about the movie. As a fan it's so fun to watch! They don't explain ANYTHING and I find that hilarious! Either you get it or not and this being the last one I don't mind it as much. This one felt like it was made for the fans. They left in things we wanted to see and didn't explain the things we already knew. I respect that and is probably why I love the movie so much.

All the side characters had their moment. There were a few characters I was suprised to see (Cho being one of them) and there were so many pleasent suprises that really made me smile (Pixies!)

I still think it's funny how many Snatchers there were and how they made the bridge super long to fit them all (I found that all hilarious ) So many things didn't make sense BUT that's the fun of this film. It's entertaining. THey filmed and acted it all very well and even the things that didnt make sense....it atleast worked within the context of the film.

Alan Rickman...everyone is talking about him and he was wonderful. The Prince Tale was fantastic (Bringing back 'Dumbledore's Farewell' was a BIG suprise and it worked so well!). I like how they used it as a nice sum of the movie series and it works. His death was brutal and...you all know....wonderful every scene he was in.

There is so much I'd like to comment on but I don't want a super long review.

Overall not my favorite of the series but is most definatly the most entertaining. It made me smile and made me feel like I felt when I was watching movie 1. It brought back some great childhood moments and worked as a great close to a cool little series. Although I don't nerd out nearly as hard as I did, this movie made me feel like a fan all over again. Great acting, directing, editing, soundtrack, etc etc. The movie was what I, as a fan, always wanted. It just made me happy.

I think because of that I won't complain about what they could've done differently or what didn't make sense. David Yates made one entertaining movie and a very fitting end to the Harry Potter series.


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Old August 8th, 2011, 1:48 am
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When I saw Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part II in the theaters with my best friend. I thought it was the best movie ever. I especially enjoyed watching everytime Harry killed one of the Horcruxes that were owned by Voldemort. And another time was when there was the big battle at Hogwarts between good and evil. And last but not least, my favorite part was the special ending at the end of the movie when it said 19 years later. It was an epic movie.

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Old August 8th, 2011, 1:57 am
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I'm here a little late and everyone has already said everything that I'm thinking about the new film so I won't bother writing out a full length review at the moment.

To put it simply - I give the movie an 8/10. Easily my favorite movie of the series. There were a few minor annoyances, but overall I was impressed I'm very satisfied with the finale. Also a sidenote - I love the soundtrack for the movie. 'Lily's Theme', especially, is beautiful.

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Well I finally saw the movie. I'm on the late freight! It was very entertaining and didn't seem like 2 hours ten minutes. I saw it with a friend who had only seen the other movies and didn't really remember them all, so I was explaining stuff some of the time. To me, that means that the movie wasn't quite clear enough on some of the plot points. Overall a 6/10.

I liked that there was a bit more battle between Harry and Voldy than in the book. That was good. Some things were all changed around in some of the major scenes. I wasn't as keen on the changes to Kings Cross and Snape's memories, but the battle and Gringotts were cool. The Forest Again was great, but like all of the scenes, it felt a bit rushed and so not quite up to the book's standards. But that's movies.

I think the most important main point that was left out was that Dumbledore was pretty certain Harry would live (although having said Harry would die). That made Dumbledore come out even worse than he did in the book (as my friend mentioned, he turned into a bad guy, lol).

Fun stuff and even with the changes, it lived up to the hype in terms of basic entertainment.

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I was also dissappointed of McGonagall vs. Snape. People told me it's going to be awesome. I didn't see what was so spectacular about it. Same goes for Molly vs. Bella. I expected a longer fight, but those where just a few curse exchanges without any action.
I didn't think that scene stood out. If I hadn't known any better, I would've thought it got chucked in there last minute. I had only thought of it as any other duel in the film, a mere show of mediocre special effects and not much of a highlight.

I'm not a fan of Yates' Harry Potter work and I was a bit disappointed when I read he was slated to finish the series. The fights were alright, but I think the only thing that kept me engrossed was the fact that I wanted to see how things would play out.

Some things that bothered me were:
- the Dumbledores' backstory is briefly introduced, but left hanging for the remainder of the film
- Fred's death scene got cut (we only get a shot of the Weasleys mourning over his body)
- no Grawp, Thestrals, or Buckbeak (I suppose the other giants died of boredom?), greatly reducing Hagrid's role in the battle
- excluding bits of the epilogue, but I was actually rather happy with the ending

Despite all these shortcomings, I felt the film was a fantastic end to the series. I especially loved it when they started playing "Leaving Hogwarts" in the epilogue, which brought me to tears - you didn't think I'd end an era of my life without crying, did you? So, in the end, I say thank you to all who were involved in bringing such a big part of my life before my eyes. Bravo!


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Okay, my full Deathly Hallows review:

I’m casting my mind now back to the time before it was announced that David Yates would be directing Deathly Hallows. There were so many people being bandied about as candidates to direct the film – the most popular suggestions around here were probably Alfonso Cuarón and Guillermo Del Toro. For some reason, I didn’t think any of the directors we’d had – Chris Columbus, Alfonso, Mike Newell, or David Yates – were quite right for the final installment. For a while, I was really in favor of Guillermo Del Toro – and then I thought about Steve Kloves, who has directed films (The Fabulous Baker Boys and Flesh and Bone), and good ones, and has demonstrated his passion for the series; it’s not merely a job to him. I don’t know why I did, but I severely underestimated David Yates and his ability to take on this last book and turn it into really outstanding cinema, because he did it.

I’m writing about both parts together not only for the sake of simplicity, not only because Deathly Hallows is far better as one than as two, but because Harry Potter and The Deathly Hallows is one film. I’m always annoyed when anyone complains about Part 1 not coming to a proper conclusion or Part 2 not having a proper introduction. Yes, Part 1 is a film without an end, and Part 2 is a film without a beginning. That’s because they are not two standalone films; that was actually never the point. It’s one film, we just didn’t see it all at once. I was opposed to that choice when I first heard about it, but I was opposed because I assumed that it meant we’d see a film that was far too literal-minded. I wanted to see the filmmakers make some bold choices in their adaptation, because Deathly Hallows is a damn hard book to turn into a film, and does not allow you to translate it; you have to adapt it. It turns out that I was wrong (that’ll be a recurring sentiment in this post). Deathly Hallows the film is not an unimaginative reenactment. While I’m not a cheerleader for the decision to present it in two parts, it wasn’t only a money-grab. What it really served to do was allow them – or allow them to allow themselves – to take all of the moments they needed to allow the film to breathe, and to give us a ton of fantastic character moments that there’s no way we would have seen if this weren’t a two-parter. Yates made a bit too much about how tonally and cosmetically different the two parts are and therefore how necessary the two-part presentation was, but it does work. Not only was it elevate the grandeur of this conclusion – I’m going to try to keep my use of the word “epic” to a minimum – but anyone who complains that the pace is uneven in either Part 1 or Part 2 surely has to say that the pace would have been even more unbalanced if they’d seen the whole thing as one. That’s the nature of the beast, but it’s also an advantage to the two-part release. I went to see Part 2 minutes after rewatching Part 1 on July 15th, so that I could have the closest approximation to seeing one right after the other, but I look forward to actually seeing them combined into one film.

In so, so many ways, Deathly Hallows was incredibly demanding on its director. I don’t envy David Yates for the huge pressure that was on him, not just (“just” ) to close the series out in a satisfying way, but with DH being the most difficult book he’s had to adapt. Of course, they’re all hard, but the fact that Deathly Hallows involves this midsection lacking forward momentum, where nothing’s really happening and that’s the point, means that it’s even more challenging than Order of the Phoenix or Half-Blood Prince. That stretch of time – the Camping Trip from Hell, if you will – had to have been the most difficult to nail. You have to be so with the trio as they’re forced to stay out on their own – they can’t stay with anyone they can trust, or they’ll put them in danger, so all they have is to make do with what (very little) knowledge they have in their pursuit for the remaining horcruxes. You have to be so with them in how disconnected they are from the rest of the world – either muggle or wizarding – and how little connection they have to what’s going on around them. They’re out of the loop, in the worst way. They’re not aimless, but they’re rudderless, and the one lead they do have is only serving to eat away at them. I know I’m in the minority here, in that I thought all that worked really well in the book and I think it works really well in the film; I feel all of that, I am with them on this journey, and it’s tense, it’s lonely, it’s miserable, it’s everything it must be. That time was brought to the screen so beautifully; you long for them to be rid of that damn locket, you long for them to make some big progression in their horcrux hunting, you long to see Hogwarts again. And I don’t feel that that portion of the film is slowly or poorly paced, at least not in a negative way – it’s not meant to be quick and dynamic, the film has to take time to breathe there, and it does. It should not rush that. I think it’s paced perfectly, and I wouldn’t lose a frame.

Once we leave Shell Cottage, though, Deathly Hallows is all about forward momentum, about a propulsive drive that pretty much carries us straight through to the climax. I was terrified that from this point the film would just blaze by and sacrifice plot coherence or emotional coherence for the sake of action or spectacle. Even after seeing how well Part 1 took its time, I was terrified, because that’s different material. Again, I was wrong. Rather than rushing by and scattering a bunch of half-explained plot points or barely-explored moments, that propulsive energy is absolutely key and it doesn’t get in the way of anything in the area of story/character. The tension is maintained fantastically, too; DH is quite a terrifying film in several places. I’m thinking of the first Malfoy Manor scene (“The Dark Lord Ascending”), Ron’s splinching, obviously Nagini’s attack in Godric’s Hollow, and many more.

The two most pivotal themes in the Harry Potter series end up being more crucial to Deathly Hallows than any of the other books/films: the power of love, and the importance of accepting death. I’ve actually gone back and forth over whether I think the film emphasizes either of these as well as it should. Okay, we don’t have Lily’s love protection over Harry passing onto everyone else at Hogwarts and making it so that Voldemort can’t touch them – or do we? Harry doesn’t refer to it, but Neville does talk about how everyone that they’ve lost does still live on, in their hearts, and that carries the same meaning. We do learn, very powerfully, that Snape was in love, until the day he died, with Lily, and, in a moment not in the book, we see him cradling her dead body and crying. That also carries the same meaning and message. Even a passing moment like Neville rushing to tell Luna that he’s “mad for her,” in probably the last chance he’ll have to do so, followed by Harry and Ginny seizing what may be their last chance to embrace, gets at this theme. I’m less certain of how well the theme of accepting death is conveyed here. That’s, of course, the reason The Deathly Hallows are introduced; it’s more than just a way to seal in the defeat of Voldemort, more than just convenient aid for Harry in the end. The Deathly Hallows are symbols of how different Harry and Voldemort are in their attitudes toward death; “master of death” does not mean obtaining immortality, it means that you come to an understanding of…well, of what Dumbledore said in the first book (not movie): “To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure.” Voldemort could never understand that, but when Harry learns that he must sacrifice himself, he doesn’t run from it. It’s the most difficult thing in the world to accept, but he does find a way to accept it, and that’s what makes Harry worthy of those Deathly Hallows. I would have liked this to be discussed a bit in the King’s Cross scene. It is still there, though – you just have to read between the lines a little. And this is not the most terrible thing in the world, to not be beaten over the head with the central messages of a film.

David Yates started out (like many great directors, it should be said) in TV, and so he’s often been charged with making movies that feel “like TV.” Not everyone who says this is always complaining, but I have to take issue with this, (A) because I don’t really know what it means, (B) because we are long past the point, if there ever was a point, where TV should be dismissed like that, and (C) because Yates’ films actually feel highly cinematic to me. He’s grown exponentially with each film, and in the case of DH, I have to use “The Prince’s Tale” as an example. That sequence is an utter masterpiece, and it’s not a masterpiece just because it includes everything from the book that it really had to in order to make it work, it’s a masterpiece because it takes all of it and turns it into extraordinary cinema. This sequence really does feel like a stream of memories strung together, as they might actually occur to Snape in his final moments, and all of the clips, visual and aural, from previous movies that are used to round it all out are perfectly incorporated. By the end of the sequence, you’re left in a daze from everything you’ve just learned or had confirmed about Snape, shocked-and-yet-not-that-shocked at the reveal of Harry’s true nature and what that means, and deeply affected by how what you’ve just watched has encompassed so much of the whole series. That’s one example, but again, Yates’ Harry Potter movies are highly cinematic, more and more as they went. His camerawork grows more dynamic, more fluid, more compelling with each film. The man has a great eye, and I’m curious where he’ll go from here. I’m in for whatever that is.

Oh, how very, very worried I was about how the final duel between Harry and Voldemort would play out in the film – because in the book, it’s not a duel, and that’s what’s great about it. It’s not a battle of wands, it’s a battle of words. Harry has just realized that he has the upper hand in a big way, and their ultimate showdown on the page is all about him saying to Voldemort, “You’re wrong. You were arrogant, you made huge mistakes, so I’m actually in control right now, and here’s how.” I didn’t expect it to be done verbatim here, I knew they’d have to make it more visual, more dynamic, but I expected a pointless, overblown, dumbed-down fight scene, lacking any of the explanation/resolution that we really needed. Here we go again: I was wrong. That’s not what we have here. They did make it more dynamic, more visually interesting, they opened it up (it probably still would have worked if they kept it in the Great Hall, but still), but you still have Harry taunting Voldemort a bit, telling him – or starting to tell him – that the wand isn’t his and won’t be. And afterward – and this I REALLY didn’t expect – he explains things to Ron and Hermione! We get plot resolution in the denouement! This is no “Priori Incantatem…You saw your parents that night, didn’t you?” This is no confused Marauder’s Map subplot. And it isn’t clunky explanation just for the sake of it, it serves a purpose and it’s satisfying. So well done.

David Yates understands tone very well, he’s shown that impeccably on his previous films. Order of the Phoenix and Half-Blood Prince are certainly not perfect. Deathly Hallows is pretty bloody close. I can’t say this as much for Order, but for Half-Blood and Hallows, and Hallows most of all, they feel like the book. Deathly Hallows is the best film in the series for that reason.

Look, the Harry Potter series isn’t as difficult to adapt to film as, say, War and Peace or The Lord of the Rings or any other monumentally demanding literary work you could name. Once you get to Goblet of Fire, though (a turning point for the saga in subject matter and sheer volume), the amount of detail – backstory, exposition, foreshadowing, and literal detail – becomes pretty overwhelming. That’s why you have quite a few things in the films that are included, shoved in, but not paid off, or not explored quite enough, or not explained at all (“fan service” is a popular label for this, even if it’s not always a good label). Deathly Hallows does have some of those things, unfortunately, but it’s generally a great screenplay (or two). It’s a strange book, because there are times in which – and I remember thinking this even the first time I read the book – I thought, “Oh, this actually reads like a great movie!” And then there are times in which I thought, “Oooh, this is going to be a really tough one to crack!” I guess it’s that way for most of these books, but DH seemed more of a mixed bag than usual that way. Let’s take a look at the negative end of that, first, get that out of the way:

-We’re introduced to the mirror, a prop that will prove fairly important later, by seeing Harry holding a shard of it in his room, reflecting on Dumbledore’s death and seeing what he fleetingly thinks could be his eye. That’s all well and good, except we’ve never seen this thing before. Okay, so it’s in the book, and it was, in fact, in book five, Order of the Phoenix, but it wasn’t in the film version, and so it’s strange that this should be the first time we see it. I miss the scene in the OotP film where Harry comes across it and then breaks it in his anger that he can’t talk to Sirius at all, and it turns out that they should have included that scene there after all.

-Quite the info-dump at the start of the “Seven Potters” scene. We meet Bill Weasley and Mundungus Fletcher, reunite with Ron, Hermione, Mad-Eye, Lupin & Tonks, Kingsley, Hagrid, Arthur, Fred & George, and Fleur, find out that Lupin & Tonks are married, and almost find out that Lupin & Tonks…well, it doesn’t come up yet (surely we’ll find out what their news is later, right?). You hear “Weasley,” see Bill’s red hair, so okay, that’s fine, we get who he is, that’s enough. I would have liked some line referring to/reintroducing Fleur, though – one line, really, because Fleur is such a minor character, and she was a minor character even when she last appeared, in GoF. Lupin & Tonks, as a couple and as separate characters, don’t register, but that problem goes beyond this scene. It’s a little odd to meet a character like Mundungus so swiftly and at this point, but I like that we haven’t necessarily seen everyone involved in this fight, even now. This is a big world, and just because it’s the last movie doesn’t mean you’ve seen all of it. Not even close.

-Harry asks back to Muriel, “Dumbledore lived in Godric’s Hollow?” (or something like that). This is the first time in the films we hear the name Godric’s Hollow, so that means nothing. Later, it means something in retrospect, but come on.

-Deathly Hallows the book has that subplot of Harry becoming increasing mistrustful of Dumbledore, and questioning not only how much Dumbledore trusted him, but also what darkness really lurks in Dumbledore’s past (Rita Skeeter was actually never more accurate), and that plotline surprised me. It was really compelling, though, and for those readers like me, for whom Dumbledore was their favorite character, it challenged you in that opinion. It made Dumbledore an even more complex, enigmatic, fascinating figure. I never expected this plot to be brought to film in the same way, though, if at all. What’s unfortunate, however, is that, rather than cutting it entirely, that subplot is introduced, by way of Harry having that contentious conversation with Elphias Doge and Aunt Muriel, but then it doesn’t build and it isn’t paid off. We see a copy of The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore in Bathilda’s house, Hermione takes it, and when she and Harry are in the forest of Dean, she’s apparently reading it, hands it to Harry, and says the boy (the same boy Harry saw when Voldemort went into Gregorovitch’s mind) is Gellert Grindelwald. Then it’s never brought up again. Well, so what? Who’s Grindelwald and why should I care? The movie doesn’t care, so it shouldn’t have been brought up. Aberforth refers to Dumbledore’s “quest for power,” but that’s a strange thing to hear in and of itself with nothing to back it up. Something like that should either be fully fleshed out or dropped. I like the scene with Aberforth for what it is, but it doesn’t compensate for the way this storyline is handled. We’re not talking about a major shortcoming here – Dumbledore is still left a mystery, and that’s good, that is the point, so they still get that point – but it leaves you wanting.

-Spinning off from my last point: I would have really liked to have seen the film touch on Dumbledore’s own youthful obsession with The Deathly Hallows. Now, Harry’s brief fascination with the Hallows and question of “Hallows vs. horcruxes” was not included in the film, and I’m good with that, you don’t need it. If you’re reading this and thinking that Dumbledore’s onetime obsession with the Hallows wouldn’t have worked without having Harry’s, well, theoretical person, I still think it would have, because it would contrast Dumbledore’s need for the control with Harry’s understanding of what the Hallows mean, and serve that theme all the better.

-We do have an exterior shot of Grimmauld Place, but I wonder if it registers for someone who has only followed the films that it’s Sirius’ house/Order headquarters from Order of the Phoenix.

-We’re missing an emotional beat after Ron destroys the locket. Every time I watch it, I feel cheated in that moment because, instead of having Ron near tears after what he’s just suffered, and Harry consoling him by assuring him that he loves Hermione like a sister, and then the two hugging it out, we merely get Ron quipping (and he should not be quipping at that point), “Just think – only three more to go.”

-Here’s what we see of Lupin & Tonks as a couple, in the last two films: They share a scene (scene and a half?) in HBP, and at one point Tonks refers to Lupin as “sweetheart,” and mentions the first night of the cycle being the worst. At the beginning of DH, she refers to, “My husband, the joker,” says, “Harry, you won’t believe the news” or something, but Mad-Eye interrupts her. The last time we see either of them alive, they’re reaching for each other’s hands. Harry notices them lying dead in the Great Hall, arranged to be holding hands. Then Harry mentions Lupin’s son when talking to his…well, not ghost exactly, but you know. What son? Sure, I know what son, but I only know that because I know that in the book, they have one. The movie has made no mention of this, and that moment is just sloppy. I wonder if there was a scene cut, maybe one at the Burrow, where Harry first hears that Lupin & Tonks are going to have a baby. Either Lupin & Tonks’ role(s) should have been expanded, or cut entirely, or Lupin should have been cut from the forest scene. Yes, I would definitely have had trouble dealing with either of those last two scenarios, but still, they stuffed Lupin & Tonks in without doing anything with them, and realized, “Oh, we have to mention the kid.”

Now, the positive end of things:

-Hermione telling Harry/us that she had to alter her parents’ memories would still have made for an effective scene, Emma could still have made that a great moment, but actually seeing it is, of course, great for the movie. What an effective way to open this final film. I’ve heard some criticism that the films don’t adequately illustrate Voldemort’s threat to the muggle world, but with the opening of the Half-Blood Prince film and this, well, that’s all you need. Watching Hermione be forced to remove herself from her parents’ memories and then leave home is heartbreaking, and it says all that needs to be said about how the devastation is affecting even the non-magical population.

-I talked about this in my write-up on HBP, but I’ll talk about it again here, because here’s where it proves really advantageous: I love how much Kloves pared back all of the expository set-up regarding the horcruxes in that sixth film. Movie Harry has a lot less information, knows a lot less about Voldemort setting out on his quest than Book Harry did. Yes, that’s the point. This is not a case of things being cut and leaving things scattered and incoherent. We know what we really have to know: a horcrux is an item containing part of one’s soul; one splits their soul through the vile act of murder; one having a horcrux means that they live on even after their body has been destroyed; Voldemort made six, and two have been destroyed, so four to go. Seeing our trio set off on their own on this dangerous and confounding mission is much more powerful when Harry doesn’t have all of this background on Voldemort’s past, his family, and what he would have used for horcruxes and why. Hermione doesn’t even have her handy copy of Tales of the Darkest Art to tell them off the bat that only the most dangerous of substances can kill a horcrux. Dumbledore left him with the bare minimum of information to go on, and, after the three of them try every spell they can think of to wreck the locket, Ron even comments, “Seems strange, mate. Dumbledore sends you off to find all these horcruxes, but doesn’t tell you how to destroy them. Doesn’t that bother you?” Harry doesn’t answer in words, but his expression is his answer. Yes, it does bother him, and a moment like that works better because the set-up was pared back so drastically in the previous film. And although you can make fun of the whole “spidey sense” thing of movie Harry being able to “hear” the horcruxes calling to him, and find them that way, I love that change, I think it makes perfect sense and works really well. Plus, Spider-Man’s awesome.

-I love the way we find out that the sword of Gryffindor can destroy horcruxes in the film. There’s no way they could have kept that whole thing with them overhearing Dean, the goblins, Ted Tonks, and Dirk Cresswell talking about the fake sword, and then Hermione pulling out Phineas’ portrait, and then putting the pieces together; that would been so cumbersome and ridiculously protracted. So we have Hermione having a major lightbulb moment and follow her logic from there. Harry’s “…O-kay,” not getting it yet, is funny, and he’s the audience at that point. “This is going somewhere, but what the hell is she talking about?” It’s a lot of info to receive in such a short time, but it actually does end up making sense. And her line, “Actually, I’m highly logical, which allows me to look past extraneous detail, and perceive clearly that which others overlook,” is not only hilarious, but sells this sudden info-dump very nicely.

-Another big change from the book that makes perfect sense and works really well for the film is Voldemort feeling it and being affected as each horcrux is destroyed. Yes, the book’s version of things, where he can’t feel it because he’s torn his soul into too many pieces, makes perfect sense as well. I buy them both, but for the purposes of the film, and for giving Ralph Fiennes more to play, this works better. It does not make Voldemort less threatening (Harry even says he feels, if anything, more dangerous). It makes him more vulnerable, more erratic, more…oh, let’s say unbalanced. That’s great; it’s fascinating to see him gradually lose it without completely losing it.

-To think that, in the book, Harry doesn’t full-on confront Snape the way he does in the film is kind of shocking, because it’s one of the most satisfying moments in the movie. It’s especially satisfying because, in the movies, the contempt is directed from Snape toward Harry, and Harry actually seems indifferent toward Snape until the end of HBP. Here, though, we get the confrontation we want to see, the challenge from Harry that we need to see, and it’s great.

-I love that we bypass the trip to the Ravenclaw common room, because, well, of course Luna would stop Harry and say, ‘You’re not going to find what you’re looking for there.’ Great moment given to Evanna there.

-They could have gotten around the Grey Lady scene and had Luna coyly suggest Harry search the Room of Requirement, but it’s a great scene anyway, pretty chilling and captivating. The angle of the Grey Lady having a sort of connection to Luna is one I’m really glad Kloves added, and it shows such an understanding on his part of who Luna is.

-In the book, Harry can’t bear to explain to Ron and Hermione that he has to sacrifice himself and then say goodbye to them. That works really well in the book, but in the film, I’m pretty sure I would have felt cheated if we didn’t see them part ways there. It’s another great addition.

That’s by no means a list of every positive about this script/these scripts. The few problems I do have with the film are ones of writing mainly, and I don’t think Deathly Hallows is Kloves’ best Harry Potter screenplay – that just might be Half-Blood Prince – but he’s done something great here. We all have those moments, scenes, characters, or plotlines that were upset were cut, but come on, we were damn lucky that these films were so faithful. Kloves proved, from beginning to end, that he really understands, characteristically and thematically, what makes this story so brilliant. None of them are quite perfect in the writing, there are of course flaws, but Kloves always had a very difficult task before him and he handled each film (excepting Order, because he didn’t do that one) beautifully.


Yeah, these three are gonna be just fine. This series has done so much right in the areas of directing, writing, and art direction, and most of what I’ve said in those sections of my reviews has been highly positive, but without a doubt, the greatest pleasure in the films was watching Dan, Rupert, and Emma develop these characters and grow as actors over about ten years. They were all good from the beginning in Sorcerer’s StoneI think so, anyway – but by now, they’re giving such nuanced, subtle, expressive, and full performances. That’s what you want, and that’s what they needed, but you never know with child actors whether they’ll be able to get there when they need to get there. Individually, these three are fantastic – they’re all much, much better than they were in Half-Blood Prince, and they were pretty great in Half-Blood Prince – and I could list ramble on for ages listing the standout moments, small and large, for each, but what that would become is me recapping the entire film. Most of those especially affecting moments, for me, are in the “camping scenes.” It’s all on them at that time, and they carry the day, giving moving, empathetic performances. There’s the proof that these movies aren’t just “oh, take these inexperienced but decent kid actors and surround them with every veteran British thespian and things will turn out okay.” No. Daniel Radcliffe, Rupert Grint, and Emma Watson are real actors, and very good ones. Now, Part 1 is partially about the trio almost being torn apart by the challenges of their mission, but in Deathly Hallows, they function better as a unit than in any of the previous movies – even if it’s always been more about “the trio” than about Harry/Ron or Harry/Hermione or any of them on their own. Radcliffe does some really interesting things, and his performance is never the easy one or the one you might expect. He’s not doing the tortured, disaffected, angsty youth thing anymore, nor is he the full-on superhero. Part 1 is about Harry not knowing what to do with what little Dumbledore left him, and having the doubts of even Ron and Hermione gnawing at him. We don’t need to hear him expound on that, though, all it takes is a look or two on Mr. Radcliffe’s face. In a couple of scenes, he brings this surprising kind of nervy energy, like he’s been cooped up too long and doesn’t know what to do with himself. Then there’s the is-it-too-soon-to-call-it-infamous? dance scene, and Harry and Hermione look like kids there. It’s important not to lose these characters in the plot and turn them into chess pieces, and we’re never allowed to forget these characters’ humanity and multi-dimensionality. Radcliffe’s Harry is far more focused and commanding in Part 2, and when those bigger, more “you cry now!” moments come, they actually weren’t as tearjerking as I expected them to be. I’m not complaining; for instance, after Harry experiences the last of Snape’s memories, and learns that he has to sacrifice himself, it’s a reaction of shock, but the shock soon passes and becomes a kind of mournful understanding. It’s difficult even to describe, so you know it’s a difficult one to play, but Mr. Radcliffe did a great job. Ron, meanwhile, is usually easy to like and sympathize or empathize with, but Deathly Hallows tests you a bit in that. The locket affects him more than it does Harry or Hermione, but it’s not doing all the work when Ron leaves. And his abandonment really hurts, just as it did on the page, it feels like a stinging betrayal for the viewer. That’s Grint’s most memorable scene – it’s the Oscar clip in that alternate universe where he could be nominated for an Oscar for this film – and boy, is he great, but he’s great in the entire thing. Ron goes through such major changes in DH; he gets over his insecurities about his place in his family and about how Hermione feels about him, he recognizes that he does have a place and an identity beyond Harry’s sidekick, he owns up, takes charge, and calls the others when they’re second-guessing themselves (Hermione hesitating to destroy the cup horcrux) or behaving like a martyr (Harry: “I don’t want anyone else to die for me” Ron: “You? This is a whole lot bigger than that, mate. It’s always been bigger than that”). Ron’s much stronger and smarter than…well, than even he realizes, but he grows a lot here. Rupert’s outstanding. He never calls attention to himself, he’s completely natural and relatable. And Emma? Frankly, Emma outdoes them both by so much. Part 2 is balanced perfectly between the three stars, but Emma owns Part 1. What an incredibly touching, real performance, particularly in the opening scene when we see her altering her parents’ memories…and particularly all the rest of the time. I wasn’t surprised that she could pull this off, she’s always been the best of the three to me, but it’s an impressive turn. Seeing the chemistry develop over the years between Rupert and Emma has been a pleasure; they may be like brother and sister, but they project that romantic chemistry that so many pairs in movies that are supposedly romantic comedies don’t. Their relationship isn’t at the forefront, but Ron and Hermione gradually fall in love very believably in these movies. I can’t wait to see where Radcliffe, Grint, and Watson go from here. I will follow their careers as much as I can, and I hope they thrive in film, theatre, whatever they want – but I hope they concentrate in film, because I don’t get out to either Broadway or the West End too often (or ever).

Voldemort’s role has been more and more distant since GoF. As a character, not just an idea, he’s been in the background lately. Voldy’s in the second scene of DH, though, and it’s not a high-stakes showdown scene, but a meeting of the Death Eaters. That scene has a great ominous, conspiratorial feel, and it presents us with a Voldemort we haven’t seen before this point. He’s cold, cruel, and in control, but he also shows a sense of humor (“Spoken like a true politician”), and makes a point of shaming and embarrassing Lucius – not only by holding these conference calls in Malfoy Manor, but in taking his wand and then snapping off the tip. Voldemort’s exhibiting more…humanity in this film. Not that he’s all warm and fuzzy or relatable or empathetic, but he’s not the Boogeyman, he’s not mere evil incarnate caricature; just because we’ve seen this guy (?) before doesn’t mean Fiennes, Yates, or Kloves will let him lapse into cartoonishness. Kloves’ choice to have Voldemort feel it as each successive horcrux is destroyed gives Fiennes something to do that he wouldn’t have had otherwise. He becomes progressively more unbalanced as what’s left of him deteriorates. It’s there when he randomly kills a Death Eater – Pius, I think – right after Hermione stabs the cup. It’s there in those oddly comic touches like his giddy laugh after he repeats, “Harry Potter is dead!” for the Death Eaters’ delight, or hugging Draco when he walks over to their side, or that taken-aback hand gesture when Neville announces that he has something to say. I’m such a huge fan of everything Ralph Fiennes brings to this movie.

Newsflash: Alan Rickman is awesome. Yeah, it wasn’t a surprise that Mr. Rickman’s performance in this film is as complicated and devastating as it is, but it does still need to be said, loudly and repeatedly. The “Could Alan Rickman get an Oscar nod?” speculation began quite a while before the movie was even released, and beyond fan craziness, that’s a testament to how respected he is as an actor, and how most of us just assumed, took for granted, that he would be able to not only pull off the heartbreaking and revelatory material Snape has in the end, but do extraordinary things with it. Rickman – and this really refers to “The Prince’s Tale,” because otherwise, it’s the same Snape we’ve seen in the six films before this – is heartbreaking, and puts everything into perspective. Once again, the rug has been pulled out from under the viewer. Snape’s loyalty isn’t a twist, it’s a twist on a twist – you thought the truth came in HBP, that Snape was a double agent whose true allegiance was to “the Dark Lord” – but now, we find out that no, it really is as we thought originally, and not only that, but he was in love with Harry’s mother this whole time, to the very end. When he looked at Harry, Snape saw mostly James, the man he hated in school and who Lily loved instead of him, but with this one little bit of Lily, those eyes, and that tortured Snape, thus explaining/rationalizing his behavior. It’s a lot to take in so quickly, but it makes total sense, and Rickman does it all so beautifully. It’s such a well-rounded portrayal that it makes you eager to rewatch the entire series with the new understanding you have of him. Mr. Rickman, I salute you. You’ve done right by this fascinating figure every step of the way. (I say “you” because, naturally, he’s reading this and he cares.)

This is probably the first thing anyone needs to know at me: I pretty much worship at the altar of Tim Burton. Calling yourself a Tim Burton fan means you have an affinity for the macabre, it means you have a playfully twisted sense of humor, it means you have a tendency to have a lot more not only fun but also sympathy with the wild, anarchic villain. Playing the odds, then, Bellatrix Lestrange is probably a favorite character for most Tim Burton fans. She certainly is one of mine; that was true on the page, and it’s trueer onscreen, because onscreen, she’s played by Helena Bonham Carter (who is, incidentally, Burton’s main squeeze). She brings such childish glee, such mad, sadistic enthusiasm, to the part, without turning it into a joke. There are two big scenes for Bellatrix this time: her outraged tantrum turned torture session in Malfoy Manor, and the Gringotts break-in with Hermione disguised as Bellatrix. The former is impressively terrifying – not funny – and the latter gives Bonham Carter a chance to do some wonderful light comedy. She did a really great job picking up the way Emma carries herself, and she is convincing as Hermione trying to do Bellatrix. You could fool yourself into thinking it’s Emma in Bella’s makeup and wardrobe, that’s how believable it is to me when I’m watching that scene. Great stuff. Great stuff all the way through, up ‘til Miss Lestrange’s shattering end.

Neville Longbottom: Badass. I don’t want an eighth Harry Potter book or movie, but I could see a Harry Potter spin-off. Maybe he just roams around the English countryside kicking *** before he settles down and becomes Herbology teacher. Maybe Luna could tag along and we could see more of those two. I don’t think anyone expected Neville to take charge and show off all that courage the way he did, but it seems perfectly natural in retrospect – especially in the films. I prefer movie Neville to book Neville. I think he’s been better drawn, and the filmmakers have actually given him more moments to shine. Neville’s love and skill for Herbology comes in handy and he suggests Harry use gillyweed in the second task. Neville finds the Room of Requirement. Neville begins his leadership of the D.A. right there on the train when Death Eaters are looking for Harry (“Hey losers, he’s not here”). He gets to blow up a bridge! Everyone involved just seems so fond of this character, and Matthew Lewis – who’s always been good anyway – is totally winning. You have to root for him. He’s kind of the heart of this last movie, or at least Part 2.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen. When we met them, the Malfoys were embodiments of snobbish wealth and privilege along with vile bigotry, and while those qualities aren’t gone, in DH the Malfoys are the servants being punished. They’re on the verge of having to actually make a choice. Lucius botched the Ministry mission at the end of OotP, and since then, he spent a year in Azkaban, his son was ordered to kill Dumbledore, Voldemort’s taken over his home, taken and broken his wand, and he’s been generally emasculated and rendered a miserable shell of his former self. Is this Lucius, and Narcissa and Draco, getting payback? No. No, they’re not getting what they deserve, their – or, well, Lucius’ – crimes have been too serious for that. I really enjoy seeing all this happen to them, though, and it’s fun seeing Jason Isaacs give us such a different Lucius: haggard, desperate, totally spineless. It’s interesting that, in the films, we don’t even meet Narcissa until HBP. We don’t meet her until we have to, until the mother is forced to take charge. We don’t know that Narcissa was ever actually a Death Eater, but she was surely an ally and a believer, but when Draco’s life is put in danger, all of that is challenged. When she walks over to Harry’s body in the end of DH, asks about Draco, and then falsely proclaims Harry dead, that is a great movie moment: it’s chilling and it’s exciting and you wonder what could come next. Felton’s meatiest material may be behind him, but Draco’s in a different, curious place here. He’s caught in the middle between the Dark Lord and his family, who’re trying to collectively detach from Voldemort. He doesn’t tell Bellatrix that Harry is Harry. That’s the great chance that he’s always wanted to be rid of Saint Potter, but he doesn’t take it. Why? We never find out. He corners Harry in the Room of Requirement, ready to capture him or worse…but his heart clearly isn’t in it. He pauses and considers when Narcissa pleads him to take his place among the Death Eaters. In the end, this character that was once your classic cartoon bully, just on a grander scale, is another Jo Rowling example that few people are ever as they seem. And ultimately, the Malfoys do make a choice: They choose to run.

I admit it, I’ve never seen any of the Leprechaun movies, so this is the creepiest I’ve seen Warwick Davis. But the Leprechaun movies are different, those are horror movies where he’s playing what’s meant to be an icon of fear on the Freddy Krueger level. Griphook isn’t scary, but he’s an unsettling presence. We don’t hear Bill or anyone else warn us about goblins, and we don’t need to, because the way Griphook interacts with Harry, Ron, and Hermione is what counts. I don’t need anyone to expound on the history of wizard-goblin relations, I need Griphook telling Harry he’s an unusual wizard for burying “the elf,” or hesitating to hand the sword off to Hermione before they apparate. Davis doesn’t have a lot of screentime, but he gives a performance that’s detailed and pretty fun.

Okay, one sentence for everyone else that ‘s noteworthy: Bill Nighy isn’t terrible, but I was let down by his performance, I feel like he’s too soft or ineffectual and lacks personality. Peter Mullan, even with only a few minutes onscreen, has an authority and a menace that makes Yaxley more memorable than he has any right to be. Rhys Ifans is alright, I buy he and Evanna Lynch as father and daughter without a problem, but in his one big scene at the house, I see him acting, working himself up to a nervous panic. David O’Hara as Runcorn, Steffan Rhodri as Cattermole, and Sophie Thompson (Emma’s sister) all provide comic relief while being believable as Harry, Ron, and Hermione, respectively, in disguise, way over their heads. John Hurt has another fantastic cameo as Ollivander – a really haunted, tortured Ollivander this time. Ciáran Hinds makes a real impression in his little screentime, and definitely sells that he’s the brother of Gambon’s Dumbledore. Her scene didn’t 100% essential, but Kelly Macdonald’s wonderful as Helena Ravenclaw: haunting, fearsome, and wounded.

In every one of these music sections, I’ve mentioned the pieces that stick out most to me, from “A Window to the Past” to “Hogwarts Hymn” to “Journey to the Cave.” Deathly Hallows doesn’t have any pieces, at least none that occur to me as I write this, that I feel represent a point in the film but are strong outside of it. Alexandre Desplat’s score does perfectly support and augment every image onscreen, though. I love it. It’s thrilling, it’s moving, and it never goes too far and over scores anything. “Obliviate” (or “The Obliviation” – I’ve seen it under both titles), “Destroying the Locket,” “Farewell to Dobby,” “Statues,” “Severus and Lily,” “Procession,” and “Showdown” are among the most powerful musical moments, because those are among the most powerful moments in the film. Desplat also finds the perfect ways and places to reuse old themes. Beyond the ever-present, ever-rearranged “Hedwig’s Theme,” we hear “Harry’s Wondrous World” when Harry returns to the Room of Requirement (such a stirring, triumphant moment), “Dumbledore’s Farewell” at the end of “The Prince’s Tale” sequence (heart-wrenching), and “Leaving Hogwarts” over the epilogue. Now, every time I’ve read the epilogue I have heard “Leaving Hogwarts” in my head along with it, but, much as I hoped it might be, I didn’t actually expect to return here. So I was truly delighted when I heard it. There was no better note to end on musically. (If that’s a pun, I apologize.) Much as I wanted John Williams back, I am happy with Desplat’s music.

Whenever a new Harry Potter movie would come, I would be a little bit surprised by just how dark the visuals were; “dark” as in bleak, usually. Granted, we’re not talking about Requiem for a Dream or The Road here, but none of these movies felt compromised to me, like they pulled their punches or toned things down to look more family-friendly. Eduardo Serra’s imagery/camerawork is really striking, it stays with you (or, me): rough and lonely during the “camping scenes,” exciting and horrible at the same time during the Hogwarts battle scenes, visceral and captivating everywhere else.

The Hogwarts – this whole world, but especially Hogwarts – that Stuart Craig and the rest have created is awe-inspiring, magnificent in its scale and detail. Now let’s blow it up!. The production design has always been one of – if not the – most impressive aspect of the film series, I don’t know what else there is to say. What is new is how genuinely affecting it is to see so much of Hogwarts devastated/destroyed. This castle, which feels as much like home to us viewers and/or readers as it has to the characters, is torn apart in the final act, and amid some terrific spectacle, there’s some emotional impact to that. I figure I’ll have to wash my hands of the Oscars if Stuart Craig doesn’t win. That is, until I cave the next year and watch anyway.

-The opening’s great, it is, and a choice was necessary between keeping the Dursleys in with a full scene of their own or doing that montage of each of the trio saying goodbye (or, in Ron’s case, preparing to) their families. They probably made the right choice, but I do still miss the Dursleys’ scene – even if the scene with Dudley that was shot and included on the DVD/Blu-ray is not that good.

-The chase portion of “The Seven Potters” just drops dead for me once it becomes a car chase. That would have been so much interesting – and unique – if it had stayed an aerial chase. Forget the whole secrecy thing – I’ll accept that they just don’t care about a relatively trivial matter like that anymore – I just don’t find it compelling. I’ve seen a million car chases, but I haven’t seen a million magical aerial battles.

-Great body language on Kreacher when Harry corners him about the locket.

-Dobby is actually hilarious in this movie: the “And then…” runner, “Of course. I’m an elf,” “Sir? I like her,” “Who gets his wand?” “Dobby never meant to kill. Dobby only intended to maim, or seriously injure.[/i]” Who knew?

-That “Magic is Might” statue is…yeah, it’s disturbing.

-Love that disorienting first shot of the forest after the trio narrowly escape the Ministry.

-I want to like the dancing scene more than I do. I understand why it’s there, it makes sense for Harry’s character for him to reach out like that and try to comfort Hermione a little…but it’s an awkward watch. And I hate that little almost-kiss at the end.

-Bathilda’s house is one hell of a set piece. Creepiness abounds.

-Ron killing the locket = possibly the best scene in Part 1. It is awesome to behold, it’s hard to watch, but man, it packs a wallop.

-“I’m always mad at him.” I always have fun with those self-referential lines that pop up in the last couple movies, like, “Why is it that, whenever something happens, it is always you three?”

-The Malfoy Manor scene is one of my big disappointments with the film. For me, the tension just drops out once Harry and Ron are taken to the cellar. Helena and Emma are bringing their A game – Emma’s screams are blood-curdling – but meanwhile, downstairs, Harry and Ron appear no more worried than they were when Snape set the essay the same day as a big quidditch match in third year. I also miss Ron’s pained and painful screams of Hermione’s name, not helping at all but not being able to stop himself either.

-I’m assuming that Wormtail’s death was cut not just for time, but because David Yates didn’t know how to visualize it without it looking ridiculous and losing the tension (which, again, I think he did anyway). I get that, because his death is such an odd one, it could look completely silly. It could also look surreal and scary and nightmarish. Missed opportunity there.

-I was concerned for years whether Dobby’s death would have any impact in the DH film. He’s been cut from four films in a row, so he hasn’t appeared in a Harry Potter movie since Chamber of Secrets. Surely no one is going to care that he dies, even the people who have been following the movies? I underestimated the power of a small, adorable creature being killed off in a movie, though, because Dobby’s death does make an impact, even with people who don’t know the books.

-Voldemort robbing Dumbledore’s grave and taking the Elder Wand was undoubtedly the right place to end the first part.

-“He did save our lives twice. And he’s been keeping an eye on us through that mirror all this time. That doesn’t sound like someone who’s given up.” Not sure if that’s it exactly, but what a good line.

-There are so many “cheer moments” in this film, where when I watch it in a theater, I have to repress just bursting into applause (I save the applause to the end). The McGonagall/Snape duel, however brief, is one of them. So is, “I’ve always wanted to use that spell!” And the bridge blowing up. And Ron & Hermione’s long-awaited kiss. And, most of all, “Not my daughter, you *****!” Give it up for Molly Weasley! I did applaud for that one, actually. There are many others. (Bellatrix’s actual death is neat, too; Molly’s not described as firing a killing curse in the book, so they had free reign, and it’s a cool effect.)

-Ron being able to get into The Chamber of Secrets by mimicking the sounds Harry made doesn’t work for me, because they took that right out of the book, and it didn’t work for me in the book. In CoS, Parseltongue was not a mere language, it was something you were either born with the ability to speak or not. Jo changed it because she needed Ron to get in to the Chamber. Okay, I get it, it just doesn’t work for me. The scene inside the Chamber is a good one, though.

-That was another good change, bringing us inside to show us Hermione destroying the cup with Ron and putting their kiss there.

-The sound during Snape's death is really evocative, that thumping sound as Nagini strikes and Snape repeatedly hits the wall is terrifying.

-On the one hand, I would have rather we’d seen Fred die. On the other, I’m fine with it as it is, because in the film, where do you put it? It wouldn’t work coming right after the Room of Requirement scene, which is where it was in the book.

-I keep forgetting what the exact line is, but I love the new “words are the most inexhaustible form of magic” line. I wonder if it was actually meant as a sort of tribute to Jo Rowling and these books, but that’s partly how it sounds.

-Bonnie Wright’s best moment in the series, no doubt, is when Ginny asks Neville who Hagrid is carrying, and then screams “NO!” when it’s confirmed to be Harry. That one hurts.

-A lot of fans have had a problem with Harry not using the Elder Wand to fix his own wand, but I love it. I love that he doesn't consider that, and it packs a bigger punch if he simply snaps the Elder wand - the Elder Wand - and tosses it. That says a lot about how little Harry cares about the kind of power the Elder Wand could bring him.

-The last pre-epilogue moment, with our trio looking off to their future, standing together holding hands, is just right.

-I’ve always enjoyed the epilogue in the book, but it is better in the movie. The first two times I saw it in a theater, there was a smattering of laughter during it, but it works for me. Sentimental, yes, but I want that kind of “happily ever after” sendoff.

Wow. To say that this marks the end of my childhood isn’t quite accurate; I got into Harry Potter when I was 12, and stopped feeling like a child a couple years before that anyway. The end of my adolescence, though…yeah, that’s about right. I’ve waxed nostalgic enough in the last couple of months, though. Here is where I say that Deathly Hallows is, easily, (1) the best film in the Harry Potter series, (2) my favorite film of the year so far, and (3) one of my favorite movies, period. It’s in my top 20. (Hyperbole? Damn right it is. It’s also true.) I feel simultaneously empty and full each time I see it. What a thrilling, emotional, satisfying movie and experience this is.

Veronica Mars is smarter than me.
(And her movie is available now!)

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It was an amazing film, really incredible, the performances were the best part for me.

the problem that I found was that the epilogue turn out to be very anticlimatic , in the book I absolutely loved it, but watching it on screen I realise that I wanted to say goodbye to Harry (the 17 year old) not the thirtysomething Potter dad, didn´t you got that feeling too?

I´m sorry , very sorry really but I think they should have remove that epilogue , it didn´t work at all. But the movie is the best!

"Youth cannot know how age thinks and feels. But old men are guilty if they forget what it was to be young..."
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This wasn't my favourite film from the saga but here goes my review:

I'll go with my negatives first:

Firstly and most important of all the film should have been longer, it is the shortest film in the saga and it should have been the longest: even adding onyl 15 minutes would have got in so much it would have changed entierly the film.

Kloves ignored Ron, once again.

No Dumbledore backstory, there was just a glimpse of it so why putting it in? It just confuses non-book fans, you could have easily put in other things there. This is once more the demonstration that Kloves was always uncertain on who to satisfy.

Harry snapping the Elder Wand and not reapring his, I will never forgive that and I will never understand why JKR actually accpeted it.

Deaths were nearly ignored!

No one cheers Harry in the end, again never gonna forgive the movie-makers for that!

harry not saying in the epilogue "It did for me" that would have taken 3 seconds more in the film and would have made the book fans so much happier with it! Why the hell didn't they put it in?!

Deathly Hallows are ignored.

Changing the figures of ghosts.

No ravenclaw tower, no carrows (again it would have taken just 9/10 more minutes to put it in and make a billion times fans happier)

No Ron hug when Harry is going to the forest. I got up and said: Wait NO WAY!

No Invisibility cloak except for Gringotts.

Voldemort kicking Harry, he would have never done that!

Ak vs Expelliarmus happening 2 times...mmmm...

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Most important of all SOUNDTRACK! It was AMAZING! Lily's theme brought me to tears

Prince's Tale was good but could have been longer.

Alan Rickman: Oscar performances. Everything said there.

Gringotts: STUNNING

Hogwarts Battle: STUNNING (all of it)

Room of requirements fire: STUNNING

Epilogue was very, very good. The music in it was great.

The forest Again, all of it was perfect, and I cried hard when Harry saw his loved ones again, the "Until the End" line was PERFECT!

The kiss and the chamber of secrets were well made.

Ralph Finnes's performance was excellent.

Neville was the Hero!

Voldemort's speech in the pre-battle, great achivment there.

It does not do to dwell on dreams and forget to live, remember that.

"It is our choices, Harry, that show who we truly are, far more than our abilities."

Draco Dormiens Numquam Tintillandus

"J.K. Rowling's Imagination should be ensured to the Loyds in London for two or three billion dollars"
-Stephen King-

I know JKR denied it, but unless she gives me proof with a Deathly Hallows Sequel, in my head Harry and Ron are going to go back to hogwarts for their last year!
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I was disappointed that no one saw Harry defeat Voldemort. I wanted to see Harry and Voldemort face each other and then circle around each other while Harry points out why the Elder wand was his and not Voldemort's.
Snape was not at Godric's Hollow so how could he hold Lily in his arms?
I wanted Harry to use the invisibility cloak and disappear when Hagrid brings his body back to Hogwarts and I wanted to see the sorting hat on Neville and Neville pulling out the sword from the hat.
It had nice 'battle scenes'. No one cheered in the theater when Molly killed Bellatrix,& I never saw Percy.
Will I see it again? yes, but I don't know when.

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My review of Harry Potter and Deathly Hallows: Part 2:

This film cannot possibly stand 100% on its own due to the nature of the split, but although it is titled “...part 2”, it is an entirely different film experience from part 1 both visually and thematically. Whereas part 1 was all about wandering and brooding in the woods and countryside, lack of progression and growing up alone and isolated in a world that’s falling apart, part 2 could be described as a fast-paced roller-coaster of action, destruction, visual gems, emotions, revelations and completeness. The scale is grander, the stakes are higher and there is an apocalyptic feel about it. Unlike the more episodic first part covering many months of time, the entire plot of this part happens in one day, which gives the film a better structure and coherence considering that each and every scene drives the plot forward.

Moreover, the second part managed what part 1 failed to do: It tells a story about never giving up. A key scene to understanding what the story is about is when Aberforth, Dumbledore’s brother, suggests that Harry should go home and live a little longer. Harry’s reply is of course that he trusted the man he knew and that he has a job to do. He has not given up. Throughout the film we see how determined Harry is about completing his mission. Daniel Radcliffe gives an impressively nuanced and intense performance as this troubled, young man with this burden on his shoulders that actually keep him going. His visions into Voldemort’s mind are handled elegantly by director David Yates, showing Harry almost drowning in Voldemort’s rage at the lake and both of them catching their breath simultaneously.

Another editing gem is when the tiara is destroyed, the camera pans around Harry and Voldemort’s faces from opposite directions, both writhing in pain to foreshadow the Harrycrux reveal later on. Ralph Fiennes captures Voldemort’s arrogance, rage, superiority, manipulative side (with his speeches and infamous hug) vulnerability and anguish brilliantly, which makes him an interesting and memorable villain. Voldemort’s fear of dying is emphasized as he loses parts of his soul and becomes weaker and more desperate, which furthermore contrasts the bravery of Harry’s act when he walks into his own death and fearlessly jumps off the cliff and takes Voldemort with him. At one point, Voldemort even kills one of his own servants as he in his mind seems to question his power.

The focus of the film is on Harry as he struggles against time to finish the mission rather than drag it out with battle scenes showing minor characters engaging in it and making it LotR-esque just for the sake of it. The reason for the battle is spelled out and integrated into the narrative: Harry needs time to find and destroy the horcruxes in order to defeat Voldemort. Yates uses the battle to underline the urgency of the mission and how time starts running out, for instance by cutting between the Death Eaters trying to penetrate the protections surrounding Hogwarts and Harry convincing the ghost to give him crucial information. You can feel the intensity, stress and chaos as Harry, Ron and Hermione fight their way through the battlefield to get to the boathouse. They are determinedly escaping spiders, giants and Death Eaters in an impressive sequence reminiscent of the personal battling style in Alfonso Cuaron’s Children of Men in which the fighting is seen from the protagonist’s point of view. Yates uses the camera dynamically throughout the film, moving it through windows, buildings, around towers and skewed camera angles when Voldemort is entering the students’ minds. The latter could be taken out of any horror film, as could the implied violence of Snape’s death, Voldemort walking through a hall of dead bodies and Harry and Voldemort’s faces merging into one being. A Yates directed horror film would actually be worth watching, but I digress.

The loss of the battle is handled in the same way: The audience finds out who is dead at the same time as Harry does, shot from his perspective, which makes it more exciting for the audience to discover and makes us relate even more to Harry’s guilt. Radcliffe’s troubled face as he walks into the Great Hall and eyes all the people who fought by his side for what they believed in, some hurt and some dead, expresses so well the guilt he feels for setting up this battle and for people dying because of him. This scene makes his realization that he must die for them and his choice to come back to save the wizarding world from evil all the more powerful.

What follows next is a seven-minute long montage from Snape's life, which Yates has proven himself a master at. It reaches its emotional climax with the back and forth cutting between Dumbledore revealing what really happened that night in Godric’s Hollow and Snape walking into the house and finding Lily’s body at the moment he finds out that Harry must die. This is such an impactful moment that highlights Snape’s painful realization that his effort in keeping the boy alive seemed to be in vain and was motivated by Dumbledore's wish to sacrifice him for the Greater Good.

However, it turns out that the boy doesn’t die. Why is left open for interpretation in the film which I am still undecided about whether or not I approve of, but it is at least suggested that it has something to do with wandlore rules. Speaking of which, I had preferred a less convenient and confusing twist than Harry gaining the allegiance of the Elder Wand by taking Draco’s wand, who accidentally happened to be its master. At the very least, show us a flashback from that event. In my opinion, that subplot needed to be simplified, for instance by having Harry and Voldemort crawl towards the Elder Wand after their skydiving around Hogwarts and have Harry reach it first. That would show that he gained its allegiance without reverting to any unnecessary dialogue afterwards, but otherwise the climax was sufficient. Naturally, the pointless duel between Molly and Bellatrix disrupted the flow, and the snake chase was tame and dragged out, but the quality kicked in again with Voldemort beating up Harry and the cliff jump.

The head merging moment seems symbolic for the connection Voldemort and Harry have shared for so many years and ends with them separating into two black figures of smoke, symbolically breaking free from each other. After some spell colliding effects and the killing of the snake, Voldemort tears up and Harry’s facial expressions reveal that he knows Voldemort now is mortal. It rapidly cuts between their faces as they cast their last spells and Voldemort, having no soul left, crumbles apart into nothingness, which is what he feared the most. This is accompanied by Lily’s theme, emphasizing what a personal victory this is for Harry. The sun rises, giving hope for a better future, and albeit no one seems to care that Harry has killed Voldemort when he walks through the Great Hall afterwards, the mission is completed. Now, Harry can finally and deservingly go home after delivering a well-made, highly entertaining and moving finale to a great series.

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DH part 2 review

I'm going to link a post that I did 2 years ago:


I'm glad to say I am right. Thank you very much.

If you're expecting something grandiose and insightful, which I usually pride myself on being so, you will not find much of it here. This will be short(er) and sweet.

I appreciated DH2.

That'll be as far as the extent I can give it credibility. The film done enough to make me appreciate, the way I can appreciate a blockbuster film or a mind numbing eye candy feast that'll leave me in a cinematic coma.

As both someone familiar with the films and the books, it was a treat to see both sides placated to a certain degree. It did take some shortcuts that lacked ingenuity in adaptation and more for the fact for getting a point across. Basically there was no equivalently interesting way of describing some of the abridged moments of the book.

An interesting thing is that I've likened Harry Potter to a Western culture equivalent of anime. Not so much in the hallmarks of being a multi serial franchise in an interesting setting but because of the fan culture behind it, the cosplaying, the shipping, the rabidity of it all. It has such a great sense of permanence that it's not only so widely acceptable to embrace such a culture (to an extent) but has made it cool enough not to be shamefully nerdy but cliquely geeky.

To sum up The Deathly Hallows part 2; it's the anime movie one shot sidestory released in theatres. It's the Naruto films, the Bleach films, the Pokemon films that exist more to please fans who are in the know and don't need any explaining. They know what's going on but it's different enough for them to still pay money to see what happens. It was somewhat of a treat, but I'm not enough of a HP fan to forgive any indiscretions made towards my Cinemaophile tastes.

However it seems like ROTK, shooting the two parts back to back and releasing it later, did give it time to visually up the beauty of DH2, to a point where I imagine Yates finally freakin listened to his DOP and made the cinematography look gorgeous.

In the end the movies kind of ended the same way the books did for me, on a big meh note. Everyone did their best to act as different and changed from films 1 - 6 however just like JKR's own limitations of her prose not growing that much; the actors sometimes lapsed into some of the more childish and groan worthy habits. Yates, I'm glad that he did manage to grow better with each film (however marginally it was) and unlike JKR managed to switch up from time to time. Even though I continually say he does "borrow/hack" from other genres of film, he does surprise me with gems of freshness from time to time. Sadly this is what you get with a director that was predominantly a television director.

I was against the split but DH2 had some scenes that were good enough to reconsider if only a little. So you can say that Yates did win me over, but I was at a point I didn't care that perhaps my lowered expectations just surprised me that's all. However that isn't an admission that he "wowed" me.

I mentioned in the 8 films reflection thread that it's quite funny that PS and CoS were the most literal of the films....thus just existing as a visual audio book to the source material. There's a disappointing sense of symmetry where DH part 1 and 2 exhibit the same qualities. Just existing for the fans, no real sense of art or any sort of creativity to surprise anyone on the quality of filmmaking. Upon reflection, it truly could have been the fact the celluloid couldn't keep up with the depth of the prose....or should I say the enormous amount of content.

With that said, consider this: longevity should never equate to the right to having to proper send off, whether it's work, love, a period in life or whatever. However as a film geek and with consideration of the film franchise for lasting so long....it certainly deserves a better send off with a less than steller (aka sub par) final film that makes Star Trek Nemesis look like the best sense of closure to a franchise ever.

Like I've immortalized David Yates in photoshop;

Final grade:

2.2/5.0 stars

That's 4.4 out of the 10 star system.

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the movie was not bad. Definitely NOT the best, however.

- Ron`s head blocking the kiss - what was that about? What is the point?
Missing such a wonderful opportunity and showing us some wet red hair instead of the kiss?

- Dumbledore hardly explains anything to Harry in the King Cross scene.

- Dumbledore did not really open up to Harry, he did not apologize to Harry, he did not cry - he did NOTHING whatsoever that made the scene BRILLIANT in the books. No explanation, no emotion, no CONNECTING with Harry. Just weird mumbling. The scene was not emotional at all. Whereas Rickman could make even the non-readers care, I did not care one bit about the Harry or the Dumbledore in King`s Cross. Sorry.

- Dumbledore leaving just like that.
WHAT was up with that?
Why would ever a brilliant, always polite, always respectful, wise old wizard like Dumbledore just get up in the middle of the conversation and just walk away, smiling like a - well, smiling pretty creepy - and leave Harry calling after him?
Isn`t that - oh, I don`t know - rude?
Is that what we call manners?
This is something that bothers me every time when I think about DH 2 the movie.

- Harry shouts out "What should I do?" What is up with that? Harry
is supposed to understand everything at that point. The movie makes him look like he does not really
know what to do - actually, he even admits that he does not know what to do

- Voldemort and Bella leave have no death bodies. Hate that.

- Fred`s death is not even there

-Voldemort laughing at Neville instead of appreciating his courage as he did in the book.

..oh well.

What I liked:

-Snape making me cry

-final scene with middle-aged trio made the audience laugh really hard

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Well, OK ... but they insisted on doing it over two movies and still felt the need to make things up. I get it that not everything in every book can fit into a movie. But why did they have to make things up that were not even there to begin with -- when the source material was so well written? A few examples: What's with that weird speech of Neville's when the one in the book made so much more sense and in the film it was just odd and maudlin? What's with Harry grabbing Voldemort and saying "Let's finish this like we started, Tom, together" and hurling the two of them off the bridge? Nowhere in the book; hard to believe Voldemort/Riddle would let Potter get that close, even in his weakened condition. And back to Neville ... ok, he "fancies" Luna; again, not in the book, but nowhere else in 7/1 or 7/2 is there even a hint that he "fancies" Luna or anyone else -- in #4 he even goes to the Yule Ball with Ginny. And what's with making McGonigle, after she charms the statues to defend the school, to titter "I always wanted to use that charm"??? Totally unnecessary and weakens the import of the moment.

Yet, on a five star scale, I give it three out of five because it looks so good, the performances are first rate, the score is beautiful.

But why, oh why, did Yates, Kloves, et al, even JK Rowling -- who was one of the producers -- feel the need to mess with success?


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..... sometimes, a little knowledge can be dangerous thing. I'll come back to this.

I did not go into Deathly Hallows 2 with high hopes. I found Pt. 1 to be well-performed but pointless: absolutely no trace of Rowling's story about Wrestling with the Greater Good was discernible in that morass, nor was any other story that I could recognize. I went in to Hallows 2 hoping against hope that they somehow would pull this story out of the air, even though it struck me as "too late" owing to the decision to split the film.

Unsurprisingly, I walked out unenthused because the film utterly failed to tell that story. But, sometimes, a little knowledge can be dangerous thing. Upon watching it a second time, the scales were not in my eyes, and I recognized that Yates, Kloves & company did a really good job of telling a story about Undying Devotion. Scenes that had seemed pointless, such as Harry's exchange with Aberforth, Harry's interactions with the Gray Lady, and Kings Cross, all of a sudden made sense and built to the gestalt concept that is story.

One thing in particular that now stood out to me was how well they adapted the original narrative and plot elements to create this story. I have frequently criticized the HP films for failing to adapt fully: movies are supposed to turn literary fish into cinematic dinosaurs (dinosaurs are way cooler than mammals), but too often the HP films were content to give us frogs that still have vestigial gills and fins.

I would like to point out some particular examples of this. One was the clever insight to have Harry "connected" to both the Horcruxes and Voldemort. In one fell swoop, we had a plot device that allowed Harry to find the Horcruxes and provide us with the vital clues that Harry himself was a Horcrux. (And, no, including relevant scenes in Prince would not have helped: that was 2 years ago, and I paid to see it now.) Moreover, we have a contribution to story: Harry's connection to Voldemort crosses the barrier that creates immortality, and leads to the zenith of both plot and story.

A second was The Gray Lady. In the book, this chapter was utterly worthless, as it did nothing to further story, plot or theme. We already worked out that it was the Tiara, and nothing Helena said provided us with any clues as to where it was. It turns out that we never needed to know why Voldemort liked Albania. Basically, it was pointless trivia for hardcore fans. Here, however, it is transformed into a plot device that informs Harry as to where it is and a story device that shows us grief and remorse spanning life and death. From a purely cinematic perspective, the scene is dynamite, too: Radcliffe and Kelly MacDonald's exchange is haunting: gone are the silly goofball ghosts of the first two films and instead we see a tormented soul looking for atonement. I would especially like to laud Desplat's score here: it was chilling, beautiful and sad, just like the ghost herself.

A third is Harry's farewell to Ron and Hermione. Too often, Harry Potter films have stuck to the book: and the book writes Ron & Hermione out for good after the Shack. The film absolutely had to take Harry's thoughts out of his head and show them. And this scene did so quite well, and in a way that fed the story perfectly: at a personal level, Harry's devotion to his two friends was going to cross the grave.

Finally, there was the conclusion. The book's traditional Hero:Villain banter was OK, but on film, I would have expected Voldemort to tell us that he had Force-Field Dog to protect him and then have Harry tell us that he had Tyrannosaurus, who eats Forcefield Dog before Voldemort tried Avada Monkeys! Instead, we got duo-action in a classic "race" against two plot elements: Ron and Hermione race to destroy the Snake while Harry valiantly fends off Voldemort in a no-holds bar magical fist fight. It was fully comparable to Aragorn battling the troll while Frodo battled Gollum.

Indeed, even the revision to King's Cross fits this: instead of extended plot discussion, we get story. Of course, we see Dumbledore and Harry both meeting halfway across life and death, so the scene was already halfway there. However, instead of (now) unnecessary trivia about Dumbledore's Past and the Deathly Hallows, it ultimately turns into a comment on the power of love with a final comment on Snape's undying-yet-fatal love for Lily.

Oh. Did I forget to mention A Prince's Tale? Even after just my first viewing, I considered the $8 well-spent for this scene alone. Simply put, this was the absolute acme of the entire series. One major failing of the series was the reluctance to use flashbacks to prior plot and narrative points that were again relevant. Not so here. Rickman and Gambon give amazing performances. My wife, who rarely sheds tears, was actually crying and there was a LOT of snuffling and sniffing going on around us. I suspect that enough has been written about this already, but I will add one criticism that I still hold: Harry should have seen this in Snape's mind before Snape died; Snape should have died forgiven and (finally) understood.

And, of course, the adaptation was still imperfect. Moving Ron & Hermione to the Chamber was a great idea, but it still didn't quite contribute to the story. Why not have a brief montage of all of those moments between the two, starting with Ron's slug curse and the awkward non-hug in Chamber, the hand-holding in Prisoner, the fights in Goblet, etc. That is, show us that this had been here all along (sorry, Harmonians!) and thus was another "undying devotion?" Oh well!

To that end, altering the death of Nagini so that it was Ron and Hermione doing most of the work (before Neville's "There can be ONLY ONE!" moment: I loved that!) and having them almost die in one another's arms did help push the pair into actual story.

And, of course, there was Ginny. Rowling totally dropped the ball on Ginny in Hallows. The film did marginally better, but it was more like a bad attempt to recover a fumble than rectification. I do hope to read mysteries by Rowling in the future: but, please, make it with unfeeling robots so I do not have to read any more romance that she writes….

(Really. I'm not joking here.)

And, as always, they kept too many characters that should have been cut. Axe Bill & Fleur and use Lupin, Tonks & baby instead. Molly Weasley was even more irritating than in the book. Heck, didn't Percy even reappear? Bleah!

On other notes, I found the film to be briskly paced, well-acted and well constructed in terms of effects, etc. I noted RIckman's performance (and who hasn't?), but I'd also single out Grint's: Rowling waited until the last half of Hallows 2 to make Ron useful, and it came to life on the screen with Grint's gravitas here. Radcliffe also did quite well: in particular, I found his performance with his parental figures to be quite moving. (Oh, and the "Always…" there was a great touch.) Finally, I really liked Desplat's score this time. In addition to the Gray Lady theme, his main battle theme, with the tempo matching the pounding heartbeat of someone fighting for existence (loud yet seemingly slow and distant due to the infusion of adrenaline) was great. Lily's Theme ached, too. As a tone poem, the soundtrack tells the story all by itself.

Now, as much as I liked it, I will admit that I do not quite see why the critics got so excited about the film. I do not consider it to be as good as Prisoner or even Goblet. I am undecided as to whether I prefer Hallows 2 to Order. (It beats Prince and Hallows 1, and the two Columbus films are not worthy of being mentioned with this film. Wait. Oops…. ) However, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing: I am quite sure that even now I rate those Prisoner and Goblet higher than Hallows 2 simply because those two films told Rowling's stories of Unraveling Ironic Truths and Hard vs. Wrong Choices in Valour quite well. (Order told the story of Hard vs. Wrong Choices of Personal Isolation quite well, too.) This film told a story: but as with Prince, it didn't tell the same story as the book did.

And that leads me to speculate: if I had had no idea what the story of Deathly Hallows originally was, then I probably would have picked up on the story told by the movie during the first viewing. If I had no idea what the story of Deathly Hallows originally was, then I could not possibly hold against the film the fact that the movie told a different story. Moreover, am I not the one always saying "Take Your Fanboy/Girl Hat Off When You Go To the Theater?") I think that I just knocked it askew a little! Perhaps the critics and general audiences (check out IMDB) saw the film a little more clearly than I did because they didn't have preconceptions.

But, as I wrote above, sometimes a little knowledge…..


(It doubles for The Hobbit, too!)
If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired. Otherwise don't put it there.” - A. P. Chekhov, Gurlyand's Reminiscences, and who knew why the Dog was long before the Shack!

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Re: Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows Part 2: Review Thread

I just watched DH2 on dvd. I liked it in the theater, but I was sadly disappointed with the home version. I really didn't care for it at all. I don't know if this is because it played better on a large screen, or it just didn't stand up to multiple viewings. (I saw it 3 times on the large screen)

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