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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:40 pm
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Tirza -

The Gryffindor traits are loyalty, bravery, chivalry - the Slytherin traits are witt and ambition... I may be wrong but I really don't see any of these traits as something people "grow out of".


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:41 pm
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Tirza -

The Gryffindor traits are loyalty, bravery, chivalry - the Slytherin traits are witt and ambition... I may be wrong but I really don't see any of these traits as something people "grow out of".
Exactly. You're not brave one day and cowardly the next.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:42 pm
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Well, there can be changes in your life showing you that you'd better change... it has happened


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:47 pm
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Exactly. You're not brave one day and cowardly the next.
And anyway, all those traits are good. Why would you want to grow out of them?


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:48 pm
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Well, there can be changes in your life showing you that you'd better change... it has happened
Yeah, people change, but the characteristics of Gryffindor and Slytherin are very strong - and I don't think many people change that much in a 7 year time-span. We see that from the beginning Petigrew clung to people that could protect him, and it's only natural that he would turn to Voldemort during the war since Voldemort was in power - he was the big bad on the playground. Even in his Hogwarts days Petigrew didn't seem to have the Gryffindor traits, so this leads me to believe that he does have them, but they have yet to surface.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:48 pm
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The quote I remember from the book is that There wasnt an evil wizzard(back when Vol ruled) that didnt come from Slytherin, that does not mean that no good wizzards came from Slytherin, I think that is just the perception. Now about the quote, thinking about it, that might have come from the movie, but I cant remember.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:50 pm
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The quote I remember from the book is that There wasnt an evil wizzard(back when Vol ruled) that didnt come from Slytherin, that does not mean that no good wizzards came from Slytherin, I think that is just the perception. Now about the quote, thinking about it, that might have come from the movie, but I cant remember.
Yes and that quote was an exaggeration anyway.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:52 pm
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Well, if EVERYONE from Slytherin was evil they could just put them all into azkaban after the sorting...


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:53 pm
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And anyway, all those traits are good. Why would you want to grow out of them?
I think a better question would be - if he did grow out the Gryffindor traits, what caused him to? There would have to be a reason - you can't be brave ond day and coward the next just because you feel like it.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:54 pm
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I think a better question would be - if he did grow out the Gryffindor traits, what caused him to? There would have to be a reason - you can't be brave ond day and coward the next just because you feel like it.
Exactly. You do not grow out of bravery.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:56 pm
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I think it's pretty brave to defy your very powerful friends and take over secret keeper and approach Lord Voldemort. Twisted, yes, but brave none the less.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:59 pm
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I think it's pretty brave to defy your very powerful friends and take over secret keeper and approach Lord Voldemort. Twisted, yes, but brave none the less.
Skewed way of looking at it but I suppose you're right !


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Old February 24th, 2005, 10:00 pm
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I think it's pretty brave to defy your very powerful friends and take over secret keeper and approach Lord Voldemort. Twisted, yes, but brave none the less.
I think it would be an act of bravery if Petigrew betrayed James and Lily because he honestly believed in what Voldemort was doing... but he didn't, he was just a weak person that was trying to save his own skin.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 10:02 pm
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that's true, bravery doesn't necessarily mean you are good


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Old February 24th, 2005, 10:06 pm
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I think it would be an act of bravery if Petigrew betrayed James and Lily because he honestly believed in what Voldemort was doing... but he didn't, he was just a weak person that was trying to save his own skin.
First, we don't know that, at the time, Peter didn't agree with Voldemort. It's possible that Voldemort, like Hitler, had convinced ordinary, albeit vulnerable, people to follow him. Pettigrew might have actually believed he was doing something for a good cause. Also, I can't remember, but does it ACTUALLY ever say that Peter was a Gryffindor?


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Old February 24th, 2005, 10:08 pm
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I think it would be an act of bravery if Petigrew betrayed James and Lily because he honestly believed in what Voldemort was doing... but he didn't, he was just a weak person that was trying to save his own skin.
But bravery does not have to be for good. For example, one could argue that suicide bombers are brave.

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First, we don't know that, at the time, Peter didn't agree with Voldemort. It's possible that Voldemort, like Hitler, had convinced ordinary, albeit vulnerable, people to follow him. Pettigrew might have actually believed he was doing something for a good cause. Also, I can't remember, but does it ACTUALLY ever say that Peter was a Gryffindor?
Actually we don't know. In an interview, JK was asked about James, Lupin and Sirius but the questioner duffed up and said Lupin twice instead of Pettigrew.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 10:09 pm
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Besides... maybe Peter didn't really fit in but wanted to be a Gryffindor... Harry is halfway in Slythering too.. if he hadn'T chosen Gryffindor


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Old February 24th, 2005, 10:11 pm
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Besides... maybe Peter didn't really fit in but wanted to be a Gryffindor... Harry is halfway in Slythering too.. if he hadn'T chosen Gryffindor
'It's our choices that are important' - not the way we were born or the family we were born into.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 10:12 pm
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we don't really know that much about him...


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Old February 24th, 2005, 10:19 pm
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First, we don't know that, at the time, Peter didn't agree with Voldemort. It's possible that Voldemort, like Hitler, had convinced ordinary, albeit vulnerable, people to follow him. Pettigrew might have actually believed he was doing something for a good cause.
I don't think he thought he was really doing good, but since neither of us have any cannon to back up our opinion - it could go either way. And you're right, it would be brave, in a strange way, for Petigrew to go to Voldemort with information.

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Also, I can't remember, but does it ACTUALLY ever say that Peter was a Gryffindor?
You're right, we don't know for sure if Petigrew was in Gryffindor - but what is the likelihood of a three Gryffindors being friends with a Slytherin - maybe he was in Hufflepuff


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