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Old November 28th, 2004, 5:10 am
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Potterholics Fight for Respect!

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Old November 28th, 2004, 5:40 am
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I read the first paragraph and stopped.

"Why do you like Harry Potter?" Well written, imaginative novels that help me to escape daily life and live deeply in an imagined world.
"Why do you like chocolate?" I personally don't, but I imagine most people like it because it tastes good, probably something to do with it's (normally) high sugar content. After all, most people hate baking chocolate (that hasn't had sweetener added).
"What's so important about oxygen?" It goes in the lungs, from there to the blood, from there to the cells, I forget what then (been a long time since school), it makes CO2 while producing energy, the CO2 goes back in the blood, back in the lungs, and gets exhaled. Tada.

Questions aren't unanswerable. So the question is not a bane to me, and there's no problem of my not knowing why I like Harry Potter, because I do.

I skimmed the rest, and she laid out some things about why Harry Potter is good, but if you're at a Harry Potter fansite, you probably already like Harry Potter. This article is only useful to those who like HP without knowing why...and the best way to help such people is not to give them reasons why they like HP but to help them figure out how to read their own minds.


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Old November 28th, 2004, 12:54 pm
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Good Point!

I think she's got quite a few fair points there. Firstly, people do give you that weird look when you tell them you read Harry Potter. They refuse to appreciate the fact that the books are much better than the movies and are willing to wait for the movies rather than "wasting time" reading the books. What I don't understand is why these people don't make an effort to get hold of these books and even read them. I happened to watch the Sorceror's Stone(The Movie) before I read the books. I took the initiative to read these books about a month after I saw the film. I finished reading the Philosopher's Stone in about one and a half days and after that I got completely hooked to HP. I just don't know how people can just sit around waiting for the next movie to come out but they can wait that long because they don't read the books at all. About the plan, I'm thinking of trying Step 3 directly as I've tried the first two before. I've got some friends who are just as stubborn as "that old toad Umbridge". I think that should do the trick.



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Old January 27th, 2005, 1:56 am
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Heh. I was once told, completely sarcastically, that the Harry Potter books were to <I>old</I> for me. Meaning, of course, that they were too young. So my answer was, I didn't realise there was a specific age requirement for one to enjoy a good book. If you're 50, and a new children's novel comes out that's fantastically amazing and enjoyable, should you never read because you're too old? You'll never be that young again, why miss out on a good thing because you weren't born in the 'right' decade? And who decides what age is too old to enjoy books with bright covers? And what business is it of anyone elses what books you enjoy anyways? Harry Potter, 1984, Hitchhiker's Guide, Cat's Cradle, Series of Unfourtunate Events, Count of Monte Cristo - a good book is a good book, and if people of all ages can enjoy it, well, the more the merrier.


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Old January 27th, 2005, 9:34 am
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I've actually found Series of Unfortunate Events to be way too kiddie, unlike Harry Potter. The vocabulary and sentence structure were written for a two-year-old instead of a ten-year-old. I really tried reading it but it made me wanna throw up after like two chapters. Harry Potter, on the other hand, kept me glued to its pages.


Now, plot-wise, Lemony's novels may be good, and characters and all of that. But the simple reading of it was nauseating to me, felt like it was killing my brain cells. I haven't seen the movie yet, though, it might be good.

Hitchhiker's Guide was also good.


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Old January 27th, 2005, 9:48 pm
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I liked the movie of SoUE much more than the HP movies, probably because I'm less invested in the characters.

Anyways, obviously not everyone likes every book in the world. There are *even* some *crazy* people who have read and honestly don't like Harry Potter. So yeah, SoUE isn't your style or whatever. My own brother didn't like HHG : D But what I was saying/the articles was saying (and I was agreeing with) was that we shouldn't judge people on what they choose to read (within reason - If I saw anyone reading 'how to kill minorities' or whatever, I'd prabably be more than a little weary), ESPECIALLY if we haven't read the books ourselves.

(I respect Thortok2000's dislike of the SoUE books, I mean, especially if you've read, tried, and decided you didn't like them and aren't just assuming. What I'm *trying* to say is don't take this post personally, it's not directed to you, just playing off you).


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Old January 27th, 2005, 11:39 pm
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I liked this, even though I don't actually have much of a problem with that kind of thing. Everyone I know thinks I'm a walking, talking anomaly anyway, so they've given up of commentating on my weird tastes on...well...everything. Honestly, I like childrens' novels better than adult novels, for the most part. The good ones are imaginative, colorful, and refreshingly innocent. Somehow, I don't see how reading Harry Potter makes me intellectually inferior to someone who likes romance novels or whatever.


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Old January 28th, 2005, 2:02 am
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Why do we even care what other people think? We know HP is good, and that's what matters.

(To be fair, this is coming from a Star Trek fan, so I'm used to not getting any respect.)


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Old January 29th, 2005, 3:38 pm
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I know what you mean. I'm into Star Wars, Harry Potter, the Forgotten Realms, Dungeons & Dragons... add that to the fact that I'm a Goth and and English major, and...well, I'm used to it.


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Old January 29th, 2005, 6:08 pm
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I enjoy it. It seems like everything I like somehow makes me either a geek or a nerd, I can't remember which one - Douglas Adams, Star Trek/Wars, Dungeons and Dragons, Futurama, Monty Python, math - all apparently very geeky things. That doesn't mean I need a lable - I like plenty of non-geeky things too which I wont list here because I don't want this to turn into a personal advertisement. What I'm trying to say is I am such a geek, and proud of it, but that's not all of who I am, nor, I'm sure, is anyone else with that label. I don't mind people judging - certainly clarifies who are the ones I'd want to hang out with and who don't deserve a second thought.

But I'll tell you when it REALLY starts to bug me. When they interupt my reading to tell me what they think. I am READING here, people. You do NOT interupt DSBS when she's reading unless you want a good kick up the wazoo. And for such trivial information as to inform me I'm a geek? Or immature? Begone before I set Buckbeak on you!


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Old February 3rd, 2005, 10:53 pm
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Wow. Just... Wow. That was amazing!!! I love it! I'm sending a copy of that to all of my friends who actually like Harry Potter. I always get that 'what are you, ten?' look and I hate it! Sure, some children do read Harry Potter, but the plot and the humor in it is also very complex! Oh man... This has brightened up my day! Thank you!

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I enjoy it. It seems like everything I like somehow makes me either a geek or a nerd, I can't remember which one - Douglas Adams, Star Trek/Wars, Dungeons and Dragons, Futurama, Monty Python, math - all apparently very geeky things.
Ohmygod! Me too! This is amazing! I'm such a geek to other people (that doesn't mean that I'm not popular, it just means they think I'm from planet Krypton). I wish people would mind their own buisness if they don't have something constructive to say.

They say "Hey, isn't that a kids book?"

Well, honestly, WHO CARES!?!? I sure don't!

Well, thanks for listening... I got that out of my system. That's always been one of my main pet peeves.


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Old February 5th, 2005, 1:16 am
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Hey - you can't be where I am, Emily, I see no one else here : P

Edited to say - hey, I'm Bill Weasley too!

Yeah, almost none of my friends care either (almost being the key word, but those who do have learnt to live with it).

As for the article, which is the topic, I think the problem is really the covers. If it has primary colours on it, or doesn't involve sex, it's not for adults. I'm actually dead serious. I think it's ridiculous that the books have one cover in the adult's section of Chapters, and a different in the kids section. Falling back on a cliche, you should never judge a book by it's cover. And if you are going to anyways, please choose a less blantantly obvious way to do it, because this is ridiculous.


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Old May 26th, 2005, 6:52 am
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I found this article highly amusing. I can see why high school students would be concerned about being labeled a "geek" or any other label. As you get older you become immune to what other people think and realize you just have to do what makes you happy. I started reading these books after seeing SS with an adult friend who loved the books. I actually had the first four novels in my house collecting dust for years without opening them. I had bought them from my book club for a fantastic price for my children. After seeing the movie, I thought that I'd give them a try and of course I was hooked. Children! Who cares if my children like them. I want to read them. But whenever someone gives me a wierd look in the bookstore about my purchasing anything HP, I can always pretend I'm getting it for my kids (Not that I do this mind you). I applaud everyone who reads these stories. The levels of meaning in them are incredible. One day, when the books are considered "classics" by everyone, all those doubters will remember how they ridiculed you and realize how judgemental and just plain wrong they were.


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Old May 26th, 2005, 7:52 am
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Now that it's three months later and I've seen the Lemony Snicket movie, I can definitely say I like Harry Potter more.

Unfortunate Events was funny in a kind of morbid way, and silly in all the right ways. But I don't usually go for 'morbid' much.

I still say that except for a few moments in the books that are very kiddy ("Then Harry had a bad feeling, as bad feelings usually happen to you when you're nervous" or whatever it was, "Then he stepped on something...alive!", vernon's face in first book, etc.), except for a few very kidlike moments, mostly at the beginning of the series, the series is pretty adult even though kids are the main characters.

If it were up to me, I'd edit the first book and take out some of those kid-like moments. The narrator should never go into second person (the word you), the narrator should be passive (except for the line 'dull gray tuesday our story starts' cuz I like that one), you shouldn't have a 'narrator' is what I mean, and take out that step on vernon's face thing and word it differently. Other than those few moments, it's adult enough for me to not call it a children's book.

I really need to work on my run-ons.


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Old May 26th, 2005, 8:47 am
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ha- try being at the end of your Twenties facing that Question... acutually I get asked are you 16 ? not are you 12?

The publishing company, recognizing the scrutiny us older fans were under, kindly made up adult covers- the problem being if you encounter any Potterholics with these , you get mocked for trying to deny the books were ever marketed to kids

I guess it doesn't really matter. I love the Magic that is Harry Potter. I have long since realized that there are too many muggles out there to convert them all. If I get odd looks for saying 'Alohomora' to the automatic doors so be it. ok, maybe this winter when I break off an icicle in public I will resist saying ' Wingardium Leviosa",( I will save it for at home )


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Old May 26th, 2005, 12:44 pm
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I think it's great that it was marketed to kids without being so ridiculously easy to read like Unfortunate Events was, it teaches kids that they don't have to read books that a three year old could read. (Slight exaggeration there but you get my point.)

Seriously, if you have the reading capacity for Harry Potter, there's tons of great adult or young adult books that are within your capacity. But if your capacity is simply for Unfortunate Events and Harry Potter's language is too sophisticated for you, then (barring mental illness) you deserve to get mocked for reading children's books.


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Old May 26th, 2005, 6:21 pm
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My daughter has just finished reading the first three books in Unfortunate Events series and she loves them (she's nine). I think the difference between SoUE and HP is that HP wasn't written necessarily for children according to JKRowling. She wrote books that she would like to read and she has made them progressively more difficult reads both in content, symbolism, vocabulary, (the list goes on forever). Don't put down SoUE for kids. We don't like it when people ridicule us for reading about our favorite wizard.


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Old June 7th, 2005, 12:25 pm
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Lol. Totally agree with this editorial. I'm thirteen and told by some that I should grow out of Harry Potter, been asked loads of times why I like it by my family and friends (although some of my friends are Potterholics too :-)). But now I'm used to it, and more often than not, i ask them "Why do you NOT like Harry Potter?" instead of trying, for the thousandth time, to try to explain to them. Not that its explainable (is there such a word?), but all I can tell them is that the books helped me through one of the darkest periods of my life, and i seriously feel like the characters are my friends, and i'm normally a quiet person, but HP really gets my tongue moving. (haha) i can have a VERY long conversation with someone i met on the IM on HP without ever having ever met them face-to-face. i can also have a **LONG** conversation/argument when it comes to ships. :-)
p.s anyone interested, im a h/hr shipper and can be contacted at tomoe1909@yahoo.com.sg or cat_guitar_gal@hotmail.com
that's all folks! :-)


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Old June 7th, 2005, 5:15 pm
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My best e-mail buddy (also a Potter fan but not a Potterholic) calls me from another country to say things to me like ... this is not Shakespeare or this is not Holy Writ. I just laugh at her and come back to mugglenet and these wonderful discussions. Too bad. She's not having as much fun (or intelligent discussion) as I am.


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Old June 7th, 2005, 5:37 pm
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What I find kind of funny is the need people feel to know why I like those particular books, and to explain why they have decided not to read them. As in; 'I don't read HP because I think I can spend my time doing better things'. I don't know of any other book(s) people have acctually thought up a reason not to read. But people are strange.


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