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I believe Snape is only looking out for himself, in typical Slytherin style. I think he found himself caught between two powerful wizards. I think ultimately he wants to be free of both. I'm not sure that LV will be happy with Snape for killing DD. LV may see Snape as a threat. The one who killed DD when he could not. Sooner of later, there will be a confrontation between Snape and LV. So Snape's survival depends on him helping Harry defeat LV. Now the question for me is what happens between Harry and Snape after LV is defeated? Do they go their separate ways? Or is there a final confrontation between Harry and Snape. Considering how easily Snape handled Harry at the end of HBP, Snape would think he would come out on top.
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ColourChangeInk and altoona already mentioned the possible use of Fawkes. Member aislin had a fabulous idea on another thread, she suggested that Fawkes may have left Hogwarts because everyone began doubting Dumbledore's judgment about Snape. aislin pointed out that in CoS Fawkes is at hogwarts when Dumbledore is not and Dumbledore says that he will never be gone (as in his phoenix?) as long has there are those that are loyal to him. Everyone's loyalty has been shaken, and Fawkes vanished. Perhaps Fawkes is with Snape if Snape is the only member that has complete faith in Dumbledore's judgment at this moment? That would give Harry pause! I'll mention to aislin that I posted the idea here and perhaps she'll provide her canon support with a far better explanation than I've given.
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I think Snape will prove his loyalty by doing something for Harry, like saving his life or helping Harry destory a Horcrux. He will probably be a big factor in the final battle between Harry and LV, anyway that is the way I see it, but none the less I see Snape being a key to book seven.
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I see that HPSpec has mentioned my idea and I thought I would just post it so you could see what she was referring to. I think if Fawkes does have a role to play in any of this, it would be visible proof of Snape's loyalty.
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I don't think Snape will prove his loyalty because he is not and never was loyal to the Order. I believe that he was always loyal to Voldemort. Even if he wanted to prove his loyalty, nobody would believe him. Harry has always hated him. And if the others didn't previously, they do now because of what he did to Dumbledore. Nobody would ever trust him agian.
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There were quite a few good ideas on the subject here, sorry that I won't quote by name when I mention one. I also though possible that Dumbledore might have left something behind (a will) for Harry to understand Snape, but what bothers me is that Harry has heard all too many times from Dumbledore that Snape is to be trusted, and still didn't, so there has to be something really convincing in that letter to make him change his mind, especially after witnessing the murder.
I also think it was possible for Dumbledore and Snape to have made the Unbreakable Vow, and I don't think Dumbledore had to force it, meaning that if Snape really wanted to prove his loyalty he could have just offered for it. But then I doubt that Hagrid was their bounder not just becouse he spills the beans too easy, but becouse you need a wand for it, and Hagrid's not allowed to have one. The pink umbrella might not do the trick ![]() So, what I'm getting at is that the proof Snape has to provide most probably cost him his life, for it could be nothing else then a timely action during the Final Fight. I could think of him telling Harry, but I doubt Harry would have the patience to listen to him should Snape just step out in front of him somewhere ![]() |
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I really like this idea about Fawkes, and I also liked the way aislin presented the whole thing about what does it really mean to be loyal to Dumbledore. That stands whether Fawkes is or is not "the possible other pet".
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Assuming that he is loyal to the order, i think he will prove his loyalty by assisting Harry take out voldemort, one of those last-minute "oh snape really is a good guy" moments... i actually think he may have done this already by saying to harry "no unforgivable curses for you potter" at the end of HBP... but then im on the train that snape isnt evil because i hope dumbledore didnt die in vain!!
Assuming he is loyal to voldy, id say he's already proved it by takin out dumbledore!!
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this. (Sorry if they have...) After Voldemort's return and Harry is in the hospital on p.713 of GoF Dumbledore is speaking to Snape.
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Then when Snape is answering Bellatrix's questions about why he did not return at once when he felt the Dark Mark he said he waited 2 hours and returned on Dumbledore orders. HBP p.28 I think Snape is really loyal to Dumbledore and knows the only way for the Harry and The Order of the Phoenix to be victorious over Voldemort is to act loyal to him (Voldemort). I am one who believes Dumbledore is not dead. Many of the clues to show proof he is could be planted and manipulated. Dumbledore is a wizard who leaves nothing to chance, but would have thought through ever detail. |
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I of all people always try to find the best in people, but with Snape, I just can't do it. He is not a good person!
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How will Snape prove his loyalty?
The only way he could possibly do so is to eventually prove to Harry that Dumbledore is not really dead. Perhaps Dumbledore had a good wizard's equivalent to a Horcrux which will allow him to come back--for real. I still cannot dismiss the battle between Harry and Snape where Snape appears to be still trying to teach Harry. Remember also that Snape saved Harry's life at the end HBP with that flimsy excuse to the DEs. Something is not quite right. There is more to that scene on the Tower than what we are currently privy to.
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halfbloodsnape.............um...I'll have to think on that for awhile .....I tend to agree with MirrorIsKey though......there is something ....
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I'm not saying it is a given that Snape is loyal to the Order so you may well be right, but Dumbledore's death doesn't actually tell us that much. Quote:
Anyone have an idea how many people have seen Snape's patronus?
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I love this thread but I hate all of you saying that Snape will prove his loyalty by putting his life on the line for Harry. I get the impressiont hat Snape has made a life's work of doing so. There have been mutiple times in which Snape has saved Harry's life. Perhaps even sacrificed something/someone that he loved for him.
It wil be Harry's realization of this that allows their relationship to become less hostile. And ultimately for Harry to admit that he was wrong and give his apologies. Though that isn't to say that Snape won't have apologies to make also. It will be a learning process for them both. Amelia xxx
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Well I hope that Snape is good, well as good as Snape can get. There are other colors beside black and white (i mean grey). Snape is not good, but I think he isn't evil either.
Maybe the Astronomy Tower scene is not what it seems. Earlier in the 6th book, Dumbledore said to Harry that he (Harry) had to do what ever Dumbledore is going to say, like: "If I say RUN, than you have to run". Maybe he and Snape have had a conversation at the tower by the means of Legilimency. When Dumbledore said: Severus, please... he (Dumbledore) didn't beg for life, maybe he did beg for Snape to do what he (Snape) had to do. I think like some others here, that Snape has to do the ultimate thing: die for Harry, before Harry believes that Snape is on his side. And that really is a shame, because Snape did teach Harry so many things, that Harry didn't even see. Like the scene, where Harry runs after Snape and Snape did tell Harry that he have to learn to close his mind to have any success against Snape in that scene (or Voldemort later on in the 7th book). I really like the theory from aislin about Fawkes. That could be a possability. |
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I can see it now..he will step inbetween Voldemort and Harry and save Harry. He will also die in the process, not immediately ,as he has to have a talk with Harry explaining a few things, but soon after.
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Just found this thread so I have only taken a peek at the posts on this last page...
aislin: that's a wonderful observation, about the reason for Fawkes leaving -- the parallel with Dumbledore's words in CoS is just to striking: I like this very, very much! zgirnius: I'm also hoping for a "Shrieking Shack" like confrontation between Harry and Severus -- with lots and lots of drama ![]() But anyway, back to how Severus will prove his loyalty -- hmmm ![]()
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