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Old September 20th, 2006, 5:22 pm
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Re: Harry's not prepared

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You cant take everything with such face value.

Did ANYONE ever DREAM that a BABY could destroy LV? No. But it happened.

Circumstance, that's all that matters.

I completely agree. And we are forgetting something else - Harry is DESTINED to destroy Voldemort, or at least he is THE ONLY ONE who will be able to do so, according to the prophecy, which has proven correct so far.

And we know of other stories where the hero is weak at first sight and not a match for the villian, but he destorys him with something unexpected all the same. Actually it's a very common pattern in stories and tales, like David and Goliath or the princes and the dragons in the fairy tales.


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Old September 20th, 2006, 5:42 pm
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Re: Harry's not prepared

It has been mentioned previously in this thread that Harry and Voldemort have a connection which may aid Harry in the end - that being the mind connection between Harry and LV. But they have another connection, too, which is the part of Harry that is now in LV - Harry's blood was used to give LV a body, and that fact for some reason cause Dumbledore to feel triumphant. We'll see what the importance of that is in book 7, I'm sure. But I am positive that the second connection will be of great importance.


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Old September 20th, 2006, 5:49 pm
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Re: Harry's not prepared

Harry's going to get a lot of help from his friends in book 7. There are Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Neville, Luna, Aberforth, Lupin, Moody, and Tonks.

Don't forget about Wormtail's life debt to Harry and Harry's power the Dark Lord knows not.

When Harry told DD how Voldemort took Harry's blood and touched his face, Dumbledore had a gleam of triumph in his eyes. We've seen how much Voldemort suffered while being inside Harry (Even after he got Harry's blood!) So Voldemort basically killed himself there when he took Harry's blood.


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Old September 20th, 2006, 5:49 pm
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Re: Harry's not prepared

Hermione and Ron worked hard to help him learn things in book 4. I bet that he gets similar help "over the summer" or early in book 7. There are many things he needs to do, and I bet he does them.

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Old September 27th, 2006, 8:25 pm
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Re: Harry's not prepared

how is harry going to learn all there is to learn, in order for him to do all he needs to do in just one book???

when dumbledore took harry to the cave in search of the horcrux, dumbledore went through the whole process of "sensing" or tracing the reminents of tom riddle magic, telling harry that each wizard left distinct markers behind. dumbledore of course knows all about it and knows exactly what to do, but harry was just an onlooker, he didnt have a clue about what to do.

how is he going to gain all the magical no how of dumbledore's years of experience for him to perform these feats himself when looking for other horcuxes/traces of magic

also harrys spell casting and duelling is far behind the abilities of voldemorts.
he struggles with non verbal spells giving the enemy a split second more time to react, his spell/attacks arent all that advanced exept against dementors, and hes too emotional.

voldemort easily-ish defended dumbledores powerfull attacks when they duelled in the ministry, leaving harry a mere spectator.

harry struggled in his duells against other withces and wizards, such as his duell with bella in the mom, he was far to emotional letting his feelings disstract him and this would have lead to his being killed if it wasnt for the disruption caused by dumbledore.

and in his duell with snape, harry was vastly out duelled. snape saw harrys attacks coming to easily, and literally gave harry a duelling lesson, again about harry not using non verbal spells, not closing his mind due to emotion, making himself vulnerable to skilled legillemes such as snape/voldemort. snape had the perfect oppertunity to kill harry, only choosing not to.

how will harry gain these important attributes if he is to be succsesful in ridding the world of voldemort???



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Old September 27th, 2006, 9:02 pm
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Face to face, one on one, I dont think Harry could defeat Voldemort. Voldemort has had decades more training, experience, and such. Harry is 17 and has had about...6 to 7 years experience. Harry doesn't know enough magic, either. Each escape has been through the help of others in some form or another. Ron, Hermione, Fawkes, Dumbledore, Remus, Cedric, Lily, James, other 'ghosts', and others. I could make a list of hw Harry has never really escaped Voldemort without a fluke or someone coming to his aid, but I think you guys can see what I mean.


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Old September 27th, 2006, 9:39 pm
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Face to face, one on one, I dont think Harry could defeat Voldemort. Voldemort has had decades more training, experience, and such. Harry is 17 and has had about...6 to 7 years experience. Harry doesn't know enough magic, either. Each escape has been through the help of others in some form or another. Ron, Hermione, Fawkes, Dumbledore, Remus, Cedric, Lily, James, other 'ghosts', and others. I could make a list of hw Harry has never really escaped Voldemort without a fluke or someone coming to his aid, but I think you guys can see what I mean.
Exactly that's the point so how do you think he is going to face the Dark Lord and take on the Death Eater's. I mean he can't even fight with the HBP let alone the Dark Lord so how can he defeat him there has got to be someone who would have to help him or train him so that he can put up a good show even if he is unable to pulloff of an outright victory. I mean we can't have another Priori Incantatem thing all over again and this time it has to be more dynamic. So how can we expect him to do such a task and mind you Voldemort has to die.

Any views on who would help him?
Lupin, Tonks, Alstor, McGonnagal, Slughorn etc..

Or is going to be love that would escort Harry through?


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Old September 28th, 2006, 2:23 pm
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I completely agree. And we are forgetting something else - Harry is DESTINED to destroy Voldemort
No, Harry is only destined to have the POWER to destroy Voldemort - which is very very different. Harry destroying Voldemort is not an assured outcome, only their final confrontation where Harry may or may not destroy him is.


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Old March 13th, 2007, 5:19 pm
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Re: Harry's not prepared

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It has been mentioned previously in this thread that Harry and Voldemort have a connection which may aid Harry in the end - that being the mind connection between Harry and LV. But they have another connection, too, which is the part of Harry that is now in LV - Harry's blood was used to give LV a body, and that fact for some reason cause Dumbledore to feel triumphant. We'll see what the importance of that is in book 7, I'm sure. But I am positive that the second connection will be of great importance.


I agree with you that the connection between Harry's blood and Voldermort will prove to be significant. Dumbledore is playing a chess game with Voldermort and that was a move that is going to help reach the checkmate we all want.


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Old March 13th, 2007, 7:36 pm
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Re: Is Harry Prepared?

Hi. But Harry knows a lot of spells and is quite experienced in D.A.D.A and in other subjects. He also will possibly use the Power of Love, which will weaken Voldemort and it'll be easier to defeat him then.


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Old March 13th, 2007, 8:27 pm
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Hmm...looks like my outlook in this matter has changed over a period of 6 months...time changes things...now I think that Harry is prepared, its an exam and you are never 100 % prepared for the exam. I know he can't use the Unforgivables but then I don't think he needs to, he has the realization that using Dark Arts isn't the only means, Dumbledore never used them, yet he survived for 150 yrs or so, thereby making the point that being able to use them isn't the only way out. I know Harry is no where near Dumbledore at defense as well but he has his own style and his instinct that will drive him and protect him from all the oddities.


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Old March 13th, 2007, 8:53 pm
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Re: Harry's not prepared

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The link between Harry and Voldemort might give Harry a better chance of defeating Voldemort. In GOF Harry did much better against Voldemort than he did against Snape in HBP.
Here you have a very interesting point. Snape knows Harry. Even though (this is an assumption) he tells Voldemort what he is like, it is not the same as seeing it. Besides, Snape does not think much of Harry, which would be reflected in his talks to Voldemort. Snape still knows more about Harry than he realizes, due to the Occlumency classes. Still, Snape underestimates Harry, thinks of him as mediocre. This contributed to Voldemorts image of Harry: a mere boy, with no extraordinary magical talents.

This is an advantage for Harry, even though it does not really prepare him.

Further points on the topic. My opinion is that Harry is more ready than we think, but not ready enough. Remember what Dumbledore said when explaining the prophecy: ...and he (Voldemort) handed him the tools for the job. In canon this is: uniquely deadly weapons (This is in the HBP Ch 24 Horcruxes page 477 UK ed).. What tools are these?

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It is Voldemort's fault that you were able to see into his thoughts, his ambitions, that you even understand the Snakelike language in which he gives orders.
Harry has a very unique insight into Voldemort's mind, he is a Parselmouth, this might help him more than he realises. Dumbledore realised it (uniquely deadly weapons). We are forgetting these two very important bit, which contribute very much to Harry's readiness to face Voldemort.

Harry has to realise this aswell. No, he won't be able to play by Voldemorts rules. No, he is not (yet) capable of such advanced magic. No, he will not be able to do it alone.
But yes, he HAS unique abilities which will help him a lot during the fight, in particular love (which is crucial according to Dumbledore). He is very resourcefull, he is bound to come up with something. He still has a lot to learn, but during the Horcrux Hunt he will develop more and mature. So I have faith in Harry, he is more ready than we think


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Old March 13th, 2007, 9:05 pm
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Re: Is Harry Prepared?

No Harry is not prepared. He HAS to go back to school. Harry going to fight Lord Voldermort as he is will be like Going to University without doing A Levels. You'll drown in you incompetance.

We know the Horcruxes are difficult to Destroy. I would love to know how he's going to do it. Unless he get Kreacher to do it for him and i think that will not sit well with Hermione.

As for kill Voldy himself, I really don't think he will be the one do it. I'm still thnking Snape. Snape is the ony person in the books that we have knowledge of and is still alive that is poweful enough to do damage to Voldermort.

Please don't kill me for the idea.


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Old March 13th, 2007, 9:07 pm
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Re: Is Harry Prepared?

Not at all. He needs to learn how to close his mind and effectively use nonverbal spells. As well as learning to school his emotions.

Wow. I sounded like Snape, didn't I?


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Old March 13th, 2007, 10:34 pm
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Harry will be ready when the time comes. LV already has shown us he is way over confident and that was before DD death. Now LV and his DE's will go out against the wizarding world trying to get his hold over the MOM placing harry on the back burner for awhile. This will give Harry time to do what he has to do. Huge mistake LV once he realizes what Harry is up too he will rush to crush Harry but it will be too late. LV will hurt or try to hurt someone Harry loves and that will amplify his power in he end to finish LV. Harry is a hero and that what hero's do in the end is finish off the evil.


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Re: Is Harry Prepared?

Harry does have more learning to do, but maybe not from school. I think that he might need to go out in the world and learn things for himself, then when the time comes he'll be ready to fight Voldemort.


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Old March 14th, 2007, 2:38 am
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Each year Harry has been able to step up to the challenge of out smarting Voldemort. He has always had some help. Most of the time it has been Ron and Hermione. Then in COS and GOF Fawkes came to his aid.

I think he will be up to the challenge in DH. By the end of HBP, Dumbledore seemed to think he was ready. He told Harry leaving the cave that he (Dumbledore) would be alright because he was with Harry. Where before Harry always felt safe because he was with Dumbledore.

Harry will always have more to learn as any one does but his friends will step up and help out as they always have. He has built up enough support to be ready to complete the task.


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Re: Is Harry Prepared?

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You cant take everything with such face value.

Did ANYONE ever DREAM that a BABY could destroy LV? No. But it happened.

Circumstance, that's all that matters.
Exactly, I personally think that Harry is going to have to master the art of Occulmency as Snape is usually correct and if you think about it Harry's greatest advantage would be that he knows that the horcruxes are destroyed and Voldemort still believes himself immortal.


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Old March 14th, 2007, 11:04 am
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Harry is, but he doesn't know it yet! His weapons are his 'love' and what's within his soul!


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Old March 14th, 2007, 1:00 pm
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Re: Is Harry Prepared?

at the end of hbp no. but he still has the majority of deathly hallows to learn. voldemort is not going to be defeated only 3 chapters in.

harry can be a fast learner when he has to be, ie when faced with a dragon. voldemort is worse than a dragon!

harry has a lot of people around him that can help teach him spells.


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