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Old June 21st, 2004, 4:50 am
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Yeah, apparently Harry has the power of love on his side - something Voldemort will never have.
NEVER say NEVER... he now has the love of Lily from Harrys blood... even if it is forcfully taken!


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Old June 21st, 2004, 4:53 pm
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Maybe the power of Live it self is behind the door.

Since Voldemort is kind of an undead (didn't die when the Avada Kadavra spell hit him and drinkt Unicorn Blood)

But we will probably have to wait for the next book to find out


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Old June 21st, 2004, 6:35 pm
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I think it's humanity. but then it can't be. it's wierd cos the door is lovked at all times - what would happen if it were opened? what would be released into the world? like i said before i don't really know what's in there but whatever it is i think releasing it will rid the world of evil. but isn't that too simple? man, it's complicated...


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Old June 22nd, 2004, 5:12 am
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I was thinking that perhaps the power locked away in that room is love but not for Harry at all. What if it is the love that Tom once had, J.K.Rowling told us we are not born evil, so where is Tom's own love, it went some where. What if Tom's love was taken from him magically leaving behind only the dark side to the boy? Maybe Tom had removed maliciously from him the ability to care, sacrifice and love anyone.

Maybe vanquishing The Dark Lord is as simple as giving back what was either taken from him or what he took from himself on the quest for immortality and that his true loving soul is locked inside that room.
Hmm, could it be change?
No one can stop the power of change, and change is always happpening.

K, it was a stupid theory, I'm sorry. lol.


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Old June 22nd, 2004, 12:36 pm
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Hmm, could it be change?
No one can stop the power of change, and change is always happpening.

K, it was a stupid theory, I'm sorry. lol.

Change...hmmm..i like that theory. But does change reside in the heart? Cuz that's where Dumbledore said it was.

But i was thinking about it and it might have something to do with the fact that Harry is the heir to Gryffindor. What charecteristics of Harry make him a true Gryffindor? I think we will have to go through those three Sorting Hat songs to see what a true Gryffindor needs. Loyalty? (wait is that Hufflepuff)..the main one is courage. Could this be locked in the door? I doubt it...what else makes Harry the heir?


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Old June 22nd, 2004, 5:51 pm
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Throughout the book we are told that Harry Potter is the Boy who lived. In book 5 we learn about a locked door in the DoM. What is contained behind that door, Harry has large quantities of. Dumbledore also says something about it being Harry's heart that saved him..
"...this kepy locked at all times. It contains a fore that is at once more wonderful and more terrible than death, that human intelligence, than forces of nature. It is also, perhaps, the most mysterious of the many subjects for study that reside there..."

As soon as DD says it was Harry's heart that saved him, we assume it was love. But what if it was Life? Life is more wonderful than death obviously. It is also at times when a person is gravely ill, worse than death. Life is greater than human intellegence, and the forces of nature. It is THE most mysterious subject everyone studies. The mystery of life, why and how we got here. Harry's heart, litterally, his humanisitc qualities saved him. In many of the books, people state that Voldemort seems immortal, or that he was not human enough to die. Well, if he can't die, than he's not really living is he. He's just exisiting. It sort of makes sense...

What do you think?

Great post lilducky04! I was almost thinking that the room held the mysteries of having a soul/conscience, but after reading your post I'm not so sure. Your theory does make alot of sense. I can't imagine the horrors of being gravely ill and what all that entails. Look at people that are horribly suffering from Alzheimer's, not of your own mind and just existing..almost to the point of welcoming death as a release of a tortured mind.


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Old June 24th, 2004, 6:46 am
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Change...hmmm..i like that theory. But does change reside in the heart? Cuz that's where Dumbledore said it was.

But i was thinking about it and it might have something to do with the fact that Harry is the heir to Gryffindor. What charecteristics of Harry make him a true Gryffindor? I think we will have to go through those three Sorting Hat songs to see what a true Gryffindor needs. Loyalty? (wait is that Hufflepuff)..the main one is courage. Could this be locked in the door? I doubt it...what else makes Harry the heir?
Wll the main one is courage, bravery, you know. And Harry has that, and I would say that Voldemort does not. It's pretty obvious he's scared of death, when all he wants to do is cheat death. In GOF it says somewhere about him wanting to be immortal, yadda yadda.

He's probably too **** scared to die, wheras Harry, if need be, he would for his friends. Thus, he's brave, Voldemort is a coward.


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Old June 24th, 2004, 10:45 am
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love makes the world go round!

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its gotta be love :/
I think I have to agree with you.
But what about those brain thingies?


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Old June 24th, 2004, 2:16 pm
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I vote that's it's love too. JKRowling foreshadows that that is what it is. And what force is greater than love? If someone die's for love what greater thing is there? If someone dies for "life"? it's pointless.

Also when thinking about what JKRowling would have the most powerful thing that Harry has be, remember that she is a girl (hehhehheh- that's a *joke*)


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Old June 24th, 2004, 11:53 pm
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How about life? The creative force.

Voldemort was blasted out of his body and became less than the meanest ghost. He fought to remain conscious and became a parasite, suviving by possessing animals. After wormtail showed up, Voldemort instructed him how to put a rudimentary body together that needed to be fed unicorn's blood and snake venom. Unicorn's blood provides a "half life," a "cursed life," according to Firenze. In his conjured body, he lives off the lives of his dead father, Wormtail and Harry.

What Harry has that Voldemort doesn't .... is life. Voldemort is worse than dead. He is in his own words, a parasite, he can only exist on the life force of others.


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Old June 24th, 2004, 11:57 pm
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i think it has something to do with love, something to do w/ his father, and something to do w/ the 'problem' of choice...this series is about love and choices, and we still don't know much about his father's role right before Lily was killed...

and whizbang, you're right...about the parasite issue...even now that Voldemort has Harry's blood, he is still a parasite, since he's using the life of someone else to recreate his body...


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Old June 25th, 2004, 12:01 am
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JKR says that the series is about death, and dealing with death.


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Old July 6th, 2004, 5:05 pm
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Well, i was looking over this thing again after reading something on Mugglenet and it just hit me! I know exactly what it could be! Its Voldemorts soul!

Okay, you probably think I'm a nutter now cuz that's totally out of the question, right? But its not! You have got to read the Changeling Hypothesis (continuence to it here). This Hypothesis states that, when Voldemort tried to kill Harry in 1981, his body was split. Part of him formed his body (known as Vapormort) as it existed until GoF, which also contained memory (sort of like the Tom Riddle Memory). The other part was his soul! And this soul, when he tried to kill Harry was transferred into Harry! Some reasons why:

1) When Dumbledore says some of Voldemort's powers were transferred into Harry, he means the soul as well. That is why Harry was

a) almost put in Slytherin

b) is parseltongue

c) why the Fawkes-cored wand chose Harry

d) Harry is good at escaping Voldemort (he knows what
voldemorts intentions are because he sees it in Voldemorts soul)

e) He is very powerful (he has some of Voldemorts powerful soul inside of him making him able to do stuff that isn't cut out for his age)

f)Why Harry's scar hurts when Voldemort comes near him..The soul is trying to escape Harry through the scar. His head is sometimes "fit to burst" or "about to split open"

g) "But in essence divided" The thing that Dumbledore says in OotP. The snake that is divided symbolises Voldemort's soul when it is divided. The first snake symbolising The snake attacking Mr Weasley (when Harry was controlling it) and the two snakes symbolising after Harry woke up.

h) When Harry is being possessed by Voldemort it hurts Harry a lot because the soul is trying to escape Harry's body and join Voldemort again.

The question is, why did Voldemort suddenly release Harry when he thought of Sirius. I was slightly confused at this part, but then realized that Harry's thought of his godfather reflected his own soul, a good soul, which Voldemort didn't like.

The main conflict that the writer of the "Changeling Hypothesis" (CH) has is the fact that if Harry was carrying LV's soul inside of him, why didn't he tell Harry. I mean he was supposed to tell Harry everything right? Well, I have come to that conclusion. He did tell Harry, he said it was in his heart! Makes sense, doesn't it? Tell me what you think!


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Old July 23rd, 2004, 4:00 am
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I think that what is behind the locked door is love because it is the only thing i can think of that Harry has over the Dark Lord nad it is somthing that voldemort cant undertand


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Old July 23rd, 2004, 4:10 am
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How can someone lock love inside a room...

But whatever the power, it is dangerous to both Voldemort and Sirius's knife


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Old July 23rd, 2004, 4:58 am
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How can you have love in a room? Its an emotion! Unless they somehow put lots of atoms and chemicals from peoples brains in that room somehow...

I hope its not love...that just so nonsensical and cheesy.
Just because Harry has love and Voldemort doesnt doesnt really make Harry stronger...I mean, Voldemort would be able to fight without worry for his allie's safety and stuff. So its not necessarily a weakness.


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Old July 23rd, 2004, 9:12 pm
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love does make swnse but i cant see JK writing something that simple...i dont think anyones fully figured it out....we usully dont..shes too smart, i do have a far fetched stupid theory though:

In the books,,,esp ootp harry is reminded for his "saving people fondness" that he executes in GoF CoS OotP PoA and in SS/PS he saves the stone from falling in the wrong hands and endangering everyone...

I think part of the force he holds inside himself is compassion. Dictionary.coms definition of it is Deep awareness of the suffering of another coupled with the wish to relieve it

Even though Harry couldn't care more about those he holds close to him, hes always thinking about how he could help someone that really needs it...Lord Volythingie definitely doesnt hold that in him ... as mad as he was at bellatrix he couldnt really hurt her....he shows too much feeling for everyone..even his enemies who most deserve it...
he has too much compassion.......

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An odd feeling rose in Harry; an emotion quite different from the anger and grief that had filled him since Sirius's death. It was a few moments before he realised that he was feeling sorry for Luna. ootp

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Old July 24th, 2004, 6:57 am
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It supossly love, for what Dumbledore said ,what is being kept there, but how can love-an emotion is kept in a room?? that's the question but we know than in the magic world nothing is like we know so I think the room is maybe something like a pandora's box, you know that all kind of feelings-emotions of the human kind were kept in there, and that's why I can't be open so easily!, I hope we get to know what is really there!


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Old July 24th, 2004, 2:56 pm
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"`On the contrary… the fact that you can feel pain like this is your greatest strength.'"
"`You do care,'....`You care so much you feel as though you will bleed to death with the pain of it.'"

This reminds me of the words...compassion, empathy, sympathy. In the Chronicles of Narnia, Aslan sacrifices himself to the witch for Edward, the he is resurrected as a result of his sacrifice for Edward because he was aware of an acient rule of magic that when invoked would honor the innocent victims sacrifice for the guilty victim. I just wonder if that kind of concept plays into the plot of Harry Potter. I personally think it does, but it's just a hunch based on some of JKR's quotes about her own personal faith/religion.

I know many of you absolutely reject the idea that JKR will bring religion into the books, but there is a way for her to involve her faith concept into the plot without endorsing/esposing her specific "religion".

I have always thought that the force that Harry possesses so much of ( according to DD) and the power behind that locked door is more complex than the word love. Maybe it is an artifact or something like the Holy Grail or The Ark of the Covenant of something like that. Like the artifacts that viccar guy in Shadowmancer is trying to find.

I think Whizbang mentioned "life force" or something of that nature. That's what I think is behind that door. Something that sybolises the ultimate life force or the higher power that oversees the universe of mankind. Something like that.

Then again...be so very simple that we are just missing it completely.


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Old July 24th, 2004, 6:55 pm
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I also thought about empathy.

Mercy, empathy, love, being able to care.

Life force... it could be symbolised by a pregnant woman in the room.

I also thought about empathy.

Mercy, empathy, love, being able to care.

Life force... it could be symbolised by a pregnant woman in the room.
The mistery of life. Life and death.

Love.
I'm not sure as Harry did have love but I don't think he has truly felt it yet.
Maybe with Sirius and even Ron but he can't have loved his parents because he never knew them.
But then again that could be the point: love that goes beyond death.

It could be many different things or a combination of emotions.

it certainly gives us a lot to think about!


 
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