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Old February 24th, 2005, 11:21 pm
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Well, Draco might have been lieing about that... but wouldn'T Madame Pomfrey notice?


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Old February 24th, 2005, 11:30 pm
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no they have always been rotten, just like the time malfoy said "i have a broken arm". yeah right. if he has ever had a broken arm then i am a flubber worm.
Basing your view of Slytherins on Draco Malfoy is like saying that all Americans are murderers because Jeffrey Dahmer was.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 11:41 pm
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Basing your view of Slytherins on Draco Malfoy is like saying that all Americans are murderers because Jeffrey Dahmer was.
i never said that all americans are merdurars


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Old February 24th, 2005, 11:46 pm
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i never said that all americans are merdurars
I know... I said it was like saying all americans are murderers just because some are.


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Old February 25th, 2005, 12:48 am
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I know... I said it was like saying all americans are murderers just because some are.

well i should have not said all of them but most of them do come out to be dark wizards. i guess milicent bulstrode could not be that bad though so i guess that all slytherines can not be that bad mate.


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Old February 25th, 2005, 12:57 am
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Noone has said anything about my Phineas Nigellus post. You all don't think that he was a trustworthy Slytherin?


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Old February 25th, 2005, 2:09 am
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Noone has said anything about my Phineas Nigellus post. You all don't think that he was a trustworthy Slytherin?

i think that he was probally trustworthy, but heck i did not even know that he was a slytherine.


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Old February 25th, 2005, 2:15 am
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Noone has said anything about my Phineas Nigellus post. You all don't think that he was a trustworthy Slytherin?
I didn't even see your post about Phineas... sorry. I agree, to be Headmaster at Hogwarts he must have been somewhat trustworthy. Who appoints the Headmaster anyway... the Minister of Magic or the School Govenors?


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Old February 25th, 2005, 2:27 am
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I've been thinking and maybe JKR is stressing all of the bad Slytherins so she can surprise us when a Slytherin saves the day. I mean, every little thing a Slytherin does is mentioned...Is that really necessary?
I think that's a really good point. Setting us all up for a nice twist! But of course, not EVERY little thing a Slytherin does is mentioned. How do you think they get as many house points as they do?? (Without Snape's assistance) They must do things right and they must do things well to get their points. There very well could be acts of generosity or kindness that gets them points, but we don't know that for sure.



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I think it's pretty brave to defy your very powerful friends and take over secret keeper and approach Lord Voldemort. Twisted, yes, but brave none the less.
Twisted, my friend?? I think not. It's realist thinking and logical reasoning. If they can't grasp our sense of reality in conversation, then they are fluffy conformists with no backbone. You make good points and I don't think that you should ever lower the confidence of your arguments. True, this is only speculation. However, we have no evidence that is really conclusive to support your opinion. Nevertheless, it was well said.



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no they have always been rotten, just like the time malfoy said "i have a broken arm". yeah right. if he has ever had a broken arm then i am a flubber worm.
What the hell are you talking about man? I assume you are answering the topic question of this thread 'Have any Slytherins ever been trustworthy?' Since I figure that you were, I have a question for you. You stated that they have 'always' been rotten and then follow up with an irrelevant example that really doesn't support your opening argument. How, may I ask, does this constitute for EVERYONE in Slytherin being rotten? I would hope to see some insight and supporting arguments on this, otherwise, it's unnecessary to even waste forum space on this. Thanks.



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I didn't even see your post about Phineas... sorry. I agree, to be Headmaster at Hogwarts he must have been somewhat trustworthy. Who appoints the Headmaster anyway... the Minister of Magic or the School Govenors?
I would think both, since Hogwarts IS the only wizarding school in Britain (that we know of) and therefore, the Ministry of Magic would obviously have a say in how their only school is to be run. Also, the School Governors would have larger say in the matter because, after all, they are the highest officials of the school. I think that both the Governors and the Ministry collaborate to appoint who they deem best for the job of Headmaster. It's my educated guess.

And regarding Phineas Nigellus.....well, I would have to say that he would be trustworthy enough to win the blessings of the Ministry and the Governors, Slytherin or not.


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Old February 25th, 2005, 3:38 am
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I would say yes!!! Not every slytherin is going to be a liar just like others houses arent always going to have the exact house characteristics. There are proabably some slytherins that are really good people but possess some other quality of slytherin. Do we really know what the all of slytherin is like we see a lot of draco and his buddies and his girlf riend but beyound that we dont see a whole lot of what others are like. Obviously their are still going to be rivalriers in the house cup and quidditch cup but how do we know there arent any slytherin loyal to harry but out of fear for draco and his family they remain nutrual or act as if they are the same. Some slytherins had to do good things just like wizards/witches fromt he other houses.


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Old February 25th, 2005, 6:00 am
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Twisted, my friend?? I think not. It's realist thinking and logical reasoning. If they can't grasp our sense of reality in conversation, then they are fluffy conformists with no backbone. You make good points and I don't think that you should ever lower the confidence of your arguments. True, this is only speculation. However, we have no evidence that is really conclusive to support your opinion. Nevertheless, it was well said.
Very flattering, thank you, but I can't say I fully agree. I'm not sure how logical or realist it is to betray James and Lily Potter, Sirius Black, Remus Lupin, and Albus Dumbledore. Also, we don't know if Peter was in Slytherin or not. We really have no clue. Anyway, there's nothing wimpy about being a caring person sometimes. I definitely exhibit most of the attributes of a Slytherin: I'm witty, very ambitious, set high goals, and I use logical reasoning to accomplish what I want. However, that doesn't mean that I would necessarily back-stab someone just for the heck of it. There had to have been another motive behind Peter's betrayal, and I really hope we learn what it is in future books.


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Old February 25th, 2005, 6:10 am
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How about Snape he was a Slytherin and is the teacher that heads their house. Appearantly dumbledore trust him.


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Old February 25th, 2005, 6:31 am
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I'm sure there is going to be a trustworthy Slytherin. The houses need to unite somehow. I would guess that one of the "trustworthy" Slytherin's will be of help in uniting the four houses. I have no idea who it could be, but Blaise Z. would probably be a good guess. Since we don't here too much about descent Slytherins, I think it will be a nice change to see one who isn't such a pain.
I do wonder why this person hasn't come out by now though. All of the Slytherin students seem to keep to themselves. I suppose that they could just be scarred to find friends outside of thier own house (perhaps Malfoy and others like him have told them that they will get hexed or cursed, it isn't a far stretch seeing as his father as pulled out that line before). Now that they have heard what the hat has had to say maybe one of them or even a few will grow some courage and go against the bullies of Slytherin.


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Old February 25th, 2005, 6:34 am
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Of course there are trustworthy Slytherins. I'm sure most of them have been quite ordinary, if a little more self-perserving and self-serving than their classmates in the other houses.


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Old February 25th, 2005, 6:52 am
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Very flattering, thank you, but I can't say I fully agree. I'm not sure how logical or realist it is to betray James and Lily Potter, Sirius Black, Remus Lupin, and Albus Dumbledore. Also, we don't know if Peter was in Slytherin or not. We really have no clue. Anyway, there's nothing wimpy about being a caring person sometimes. I definitely exhibit most of the attributes of a Slytherin: I'm witty, very ambitious, set high goals, and I use logical reasoning to accomplish what I want. However, that doesn't mean that I would necessarily back-stab someone just for the heck of it. There had to have been another motive behind Peter's betrayal, and I really hope we learn what it is in future books.
When I said logical and realist, I was actually referring to just your train of thought, and not so much as the actual details in which it consisted of. I understand how my words could be seen in the way you did, and I do apologize.

I'm thinking that we will definitely find out more about Peter Pettigrew in the last two books. I think it's kind of necessary, really. I mean, we know so much about the other three Marauders that it would feel a bit unfair to just skip good 'ol Wormtail (sarcasm....). Besides, he is now Voldemort's personal puppet and lap dog, so we should know more about him anyway.


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Old February 25th, 2005, 7:56 am
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When I said logical and realist, I was actually referring to just your train of thought, and not so much as the actual details in which it consisted of. I understand how my words could be seen in the way you did, and I do apologize.

I'm thinking that we will definitely find out more about Peter Pettigrew in the last two books. I think it's kind of necessary, really. I mean, we know so much about the other three Marauders that it would feel a bit unfair to just skip good 'ol Wormtail (sarcasm....). Besides, he is now Voldemort's personal puppet and lap dog, so we should know more about him anyway.
That's very true, and there's no need to apologize. You did nothing wrong.


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Old February 25th, 2005, 8:35 am
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I'm sure there is going to be a trustworthy Slytherin. The houses need to unite somehow. I would guess that one of the "trustworthy" Slytherin's will be of help in uniting the four houses. I have no idea who it could be, but Blaise Z. would probably be a good guess. Since we don't here too much about descent Slytherins, I think it will be a nice change to see one who isn't such a pain.
I do wonder why this person hasn't come out by now though. All of the Slytherin students seem to keep to themselves. I suppose that they could just be scarred to find friends outside of thier own house (perhaps Malfoy and others like him have told them that they will get hexed or cursed, it isn't a far stretch seeing as his father as pulled out that line before). Now that they have heard what the hat has had to say maybe one of them or even a few will grow some courage and go against the bullies of Slytherin.
I agree. You make very good points.

I find the idea of ALL of the Slytherins being evil or for Voldemort (or just not good people in general) absolutely LUDICROUS!! For some people to actually think this is really narrow-minded and retarded. True, not a whole lot of Slytherins are good people, but cmon. The whole lot??? Bloody RIDIKULUS!!!!!


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Old February 25th, 2005, 6:36 pm
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I think that's a really good point. Setting us all up for a nice twist! But of course, not EVERY little thing a Slytherin does is mentioned. How do you think they get as many house points as they do?? (Without Snape's assistance) They must do things right and they must do things well to get their points. There very well could be acts of generosity or kindness that gets them points, but we don't know that for sure.
I know...I was obviously exaggerating. What I was referring to was the parts where the Slytherins "glared at Harry" and did other unfriendly things in the hallway. I mean, what do you think they would do? Smile and pat Harry on the back?

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Old February 25th, 2005, 6:58 pm
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no they have always been rotten, just like the time malfoy said "i have a broken arm". yeah right. if he has ever had a broken arm then i am a flubber worm.
I must disagree. Not all Slytherins can be 'rotten'. It would be a) a terrible moral lesson and b) imposible. Impossible because if they were all 'bad' then no-one would want to be in Slytherin, employ a Slytherin or trust a Slytherin. There is also the fact that they would just be rounded up and jailed and that would be very George Bush.

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Well, Draco might have been lieing about that... but wouldn'T Madame Pomfrey notice?
He admitted he was lying. How could Madam Pomfrey have proved that his arm wasn't sore.

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Basing your view of Slytherins on Draco Malfoy is like saying that all Americans are murderers because Jeffrey Dahmer was.
Exactly! Excellent example!

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i never said that all americans are merdurars
It was a figure of speech.

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well i should have not said all of them but most of them do come out to be dark wizards. i guess milicent bulstrode could not be that bad though so i guess that all slytherines can not be that bad mate.
How do you know that most Slytherins become Dark wizards? We have seen what... four Slytherins in Harry's year? And vaguely we have seen the Slytherin quidditch team. We have also seen Snape, Malfoy senior and Phineas Nigellus, so we can't judge.

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Noone has said anything about my Phineas Nigellus post. You all don't think that he was a trustworthy Slytherin?
He seems to be trustworthy, although he looks out for himself.

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How about Snape he was a Slytherin and is the teacher that heads their house. Appearantly dumbledore trust him.
We don't know about him though.

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I have no idea who it could be, but Blaise Z. would probably be a good guess.
How can you say that - we know absolutely nothing about him!

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I agree. You make very good points.

I find the idea of ALL of the Slytherins being evil or for Voldemort (or just not good people in general) absolutely LUDICROUS!! For some people to actually think this is really narrow-minded and retarded. True, not a whole lot of Slytherins are good people, but cmon. The whole lot??? Bloody RIDIKULUS!!!!!
Well said!

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I know...I was obviously exaggerating. What I was referring to was the parts where the Slytherins "glared at Harry" and did other unfriendly things in the hallway. I mean, what do you think they would do? Smile and pat Harry on the back?
Well even if one or two tripped Harry up, he would not have thought 'Most Slytherins are not tripping me up, but one or two are'. I don't think all of them would have!

I also think that people are wasting their time thinking about who the 'decent' Slytherin could be. It is absolutely ridiculus to think that there is 'one good Slytherin'. There is not a set number, it changes all the time as students come and leave. That is like saying 15 Gryffindors are brave .


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Old February 25th, 2005, 6:58 pm
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As I decided yesterday this topic is very confusing, but I've thought about it over the night and decided that there is different levels of evil. And so some of the Slytherins are just pure evil. Others are sort of evil and there are some Slytherins who are just a little evil. And maybe we get to see one of those slytherins that are just a little evil and maybe that is the one of the good slytherins. who knows.


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