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Old August 31st, 2007, 10:49 pm
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How did Dumbledore put the ring in the snitch?

I wanted to know any theories about how Dumbledore put the ring in the snitch? The snitch has flesh memory and Scrimgeour explains that the snitch cannot be opened by anybody but Harry. So is this something that Dumbledore figured out how to get around or is this a mistake?


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Old September 1st, 2007, 12:19 am
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Re: How did Dumbledore put the ring in the snitch?

That is a good question and I have no clue. It could be possible that after Harry caught it in his fisrt game it opened later on by itself and DD saved it and put the ring in it years later and closed it. (I have no idea or reason for how long the snitch would take to open on its own or why DD would save it wide open and put the ring in years later but its the only thing I can think of.)


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Old September 1st, 2007, 12:31 am
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Re: How did Dumbledore put the ring in the snitch?

I will have to go home later and check my copy of DH, but is it possible that it can be opened (no idea how) by someone other than Harry until it actually contains an object?

Or even that it has the ability to perform this function of acting like a safe, but that function has to be activated by a charm or enchantment?

Hmm, I'm just throwing out theories here.


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Old September 1st, 2007, 12:44 am
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Re: How did Dumbledore put the ring in the snitch?

That's a very good question. My best guess is that Dumbledore was aware of some advanced or obscure charm that was able to open the Snitch in order to put the ring inside.


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That's a very good question. My best guess is that Dumbledore was aware of some advanced or obscure charm that was able to open the Snitch in order to put the ring inside.
Maybe, but why did he saved the first Snitch Harry caught?
Do Hogwarts replace the snitch every single game of the year?


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Old September 1st, 2007, 1:35 am
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Maybe, but why did he saved the first Snitch Harry caught?
Do Hogwarts replace the snitch every single game of the year?
I don't think it is likely that they keep the same snitch throughout the years, even still, it is even less likely given that in OotP Harry accidentally steals the snitch and it ends up buzzing around the common room.

The fact that Dumbledore still had the one Harry caught his first year implies that he was either a sentimental old guy or he knew he would have to use in in this or some similar way at some point.


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Old September 1st, 2007, 1:46 am
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Re: How did Dumbledore put the ring in the snitch?

The cheeky answer is of course MAGIC! but seriouslly (or is it Siriusly) the snitches would probably be saved just like football or baseball players (or Hockey since I'm canadian) keep a game ball of sentimental value. So Dumbledore kept the snitch for Harry knowing it may come in handy because of the unusual way he caught it. As for putting the stone inside there probably is a spell to open a snitch and hide something in it.



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I don't think it is likely that they keep the same snitch throughout the years, even still, it is even less likely given that in OotP Harry accidentally steals the snitch and it ends up buzzing around the common room.

The fact that Dumbledore still had the one Harry caught his first year implies that he was either a sentimental old guy or he knew he would have to use in in this or some similar way at some point.
Yeah, it's doubtful they'd only have one snitch...But what I'm wondering, how did they know it was the first snitch he caught? I don't remember the line in book so I'm just grasping at faded memories here but could he have just said that to have Scrimgeour be less suspicious of why DD would leave him the snitch...

Edit: Just remembering about how he got it to show the words "I open at the close" on it, but still..Couldn't it have merely been another snitch he had caught, a more recent one....Unless Dumbledore really is that sentimental about Harrys first snitch.


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Old September 1st, 2007, 1:51 am
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Re: How did Dumbledore put the ring in the snitch?

It said in Dumbledore's will that it was.
"I leave the snitch he caught in his first Quidditch match at Hogwarts, as a reminder of the rewards of perserverance and skill pg 107" canadian edition DH


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It said in Dumbledore's will that it was.
"I leave the snitch he caught in his first Quidditch match at Hogwarts, as a reminder of the rewards of perserverance and skill pg 107" canadian edition DH
Ah, thank you. So maybe Dumbledore really was just extremely sentimental XD I don't think even he would have planned that far ahead as to think he might need it someday as a storage device.


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Re: How did Dumbledore put the ring in the snitch?

Well, this is Dumbledore we are talking about. I guess there would be ways to split the snitch, put the ring in there, and use a charm like reparo or something. That's the only thing I can think of.

Actually, what I want to know it how he made it so that it would only open "at the close".


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Re: How did Dumbledore put the ring in the snitch?

Just reading that bit and it says Scrimgeour says that Dumbledore might've enchanted it to open only for Harry.

Suppose it opened for anyone before Dumbledore got his hands on it? Then he busted out some "prodigious magical skills" on it to only open for Harry.


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Re: How did Dumbledore put the ring in the snitch?

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Well, this is Dumbledore we are talking about. I guess there would be ways to split the snitch, put the ring in there, and use a charm like reparo or something. That's the only thing I can think of.

Actually, what I want to know it how he made it so that it would only open "at the close".
Probably just a charm that was set to reveal itself when it was placed in Harrys mouth (He did put it in his mouth, did he not? Mimicking when he first caught it and then that's when the writing appeared)

He probably knew the Ministry would try to examine it and that if he had it have the words appear when touched by Harry that they would be able to see what it said too (Though, wouldn't be able to figure it out, but would find it suspicious)


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Re: How did Dumbledore put the ring in the snitch?

Dumbledore's a pretty smart guy...the words 'pretty smart guy' REALLY don't say just how smart he is-but anyway.]
I trust that he did some extremely complicated charm or something.


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Do Hogwarts replace the snitch every single game of the year?
Yes. Snitches are used for only one game - because of their flesh memory. The idea is that if there is a controversy at the end about who actually caught the snitch (say if it's close, and one seeker manages to wrestle it out of the other's hand right after the catch) the snitch can identify who touched it first.

In terms of why Dumbledore kept it - he was proud of Harry - almost like a father - and so it was natural that he'd keep a souvenir of Harry's first real victory. I doubt that seekers were normally allowed to keep the snitches they caught (they were probably used for practices, I'd imagine) so Dumbledore couldn't show favoritism by letting Harry keep it. Years later, as Dumbledore realized that Harry was a horcrux and Dumbledore realized that the Hallows were all now at Hogwarts, he figured it was a good way to give one of the Hallows to Harry without it being too easy.


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Re: How did Dumbledore put the ring in the snitch?

This kind of flesh memory thing makes me wonder, though... What happens if a guy swipes at a snitch and touches it, but doesn't grab it fully, and the snitch isn't caught?.... Idea for another thread, I suppose.


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Re: How did Dumbledore put the ring in the snitch?

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That's a very good question. My best guess is that Dumbledore was aware of some advanced or obscure charm that was able to open the Snitch in order to put the ring inside.
That seems to be the most logical thing Dumbledore could have done. Anyway, this is the great Dumbledore we're talking about. I'm sure a wizard such as him has the ability to open and close a snitch.


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Re: How did Dumbledore put the ring in the snitch?

Maybe the Snitch can be manually opened at will after its first catch, but if you put a special Snitch-locking spell on it, it stays shut until its original catcher touches it?


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Re: How did Dumbledore put the ring in the snitch?

My best guess would be that his first snitch was kept to be placed in the trophy case after he graduates. Possibly it could be opened using the sword, as Harry was a true gryfindor, but I can't say for sure how he got it open. Dubledore knew magic that others did not, even Voldemort did not know things that Dumbledore knew, so we shall never know for sure how he opened it.


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Re: How did Dumbledore put the ring in the snitch?

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Do Hogwarts replace the snitch every single game of the year?
Yeah!
But that doesn't explain why Dumbledore had it. I think he took it because he knew it would have been a good shell, seen the strange way Harry opened it... but, maybe, he had it just for sentimental reason.


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