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126 | 55.26% |
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41 | 17.98% |
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3 | 1.32% |
Animagi are not as cool as werewolves! |
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20 | 8.77% |
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38 | 16.67% |
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Still, I think the book judged them harshly for minor crimes and offenses. To me it seemed like a change in the mentality of the book.
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![]() ![]() And I think the Marauders are let off some things rather lightly. James and Sirius did some incredibly stupid and dangerous stuff in their youth. Stuff that should have had both of them hauled into Dumbledore's office and read the riot act. At the very least. We never saw that on page. But we also realise, of course, that the boys were also capable of kindness and courage. It was courageous of Sirius to walk away from his prejudiced family and risk their wrath, and the fact that he and James - and Remus - all fought for the Order speaks for itself. ![]() Peter, on the other hand, turned out to be a terrible traitor and arch-criminal, and eventually got his just desserts ... which, frankly, is satisfying to read. ![]() The Marauder who has always interested me most is Sirius, and it seemed to me that JKR kind of lost interest in him - and Remus, too. But on further reflection, I think that is an unfair assessment. Many of the major adult characters do play second fiddle to Harry. Seeing that he is the main protagonist, that is fair enough. ![]()
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In any case, Harry chooses the Marauders and Lily as the people to accompany him to his death. This suggests to me that he does not judge them, that he loves them and accepts them as they are. Quote:
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But James was Harry's idol at that point. He held him up on a pedestal so it was a huge shock to see him act in a way that wasn't honourable. But eventually Harry came to terms with the fact that his father wasn't perfect, and he still looked up to him and found comfort in him as he did before. I think that's what Jo wanted the readers to take away from it, not that she wanted to tear the Marauders down.
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If the shyness and retiring nature was considered a good thing, then that would have been celebrated rather than the courage both showed in getting over their shyness and retiring natures. Which is what happened. The courage was celebrated, not the shyness. Remus' shyness and retiring nature was his flaw caused by his background (like Neville) that he had to overcome to show the positive trait of courage. Quote:
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![]() I'm intrigued as to what ideologies you think she 'wished to send', as it pertains to the characterisation of the Marauders. And as I said before, I certainly don't think the Marauders were given a 'harder row to hoe' than any other character in the series. Rowling puts many of her characters through hell, to be blunt. Which is why the HP series is such a compelling psychodrama. Quote:
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How wasn't he harsher on James than on Sirius, for instance? They acted the same way in that memory, but Harry was only bothered by what he saw of James. When he said he'd ask Sirius about it, he had one little moment of thinking "well, look how Sirius was" but then promptly got over it and went to talk to Sirius anyways.
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Which sort of makes his reaction in OOTP a bit over-the-top, then. He respects them and admires them because he keeps hearing how cool and great they were, then when he sees them acting badly he freaks out because it's messing with the fantasies he had about them.
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Harry was understanding and forgiving as a person. He named his kid after Snape in the end after all. Of course he'd go back to admiring the Marauders.
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Of course he admired and loved them; that's who he called up with the resurrection stone when he was on his way to meet Voldemort.
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Yes, this has got a bit too Harry-focused. It's fine to discuss Harry's perceptions of the Marauders here if it's crystal clear in your post that you are exploring to what extent JKR uses Harry's views to shape the audience's views of the Marauders (which is how this sidetrack started off). However, if the main focus is Harry's feelings, not the picture that is given of the Marauders in the books, I'd rather you moved this discussion to the Harry thread.
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What a great group of characters JKR came up with, the Marauders! Still my favorites in the story line, adding laughs, unique storylines, intrigue and for me, really inked Harry's "fit" with the wizard world as a young wizard. These young wizards are still among my favorite in all of literature. Great invention!
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Overall I wish we knew more backstory on the Marauders, as they are some of my favorite characters (minus the rat, of course). I am glad that JKR gave us the information she did on Pottermore though (in Lupin's bio I believe). I'd have loved to know more about their Hogwarts years, and their roles as members of the OotP.
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