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Old August 31st, 2010, 7:07 am
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I personally think that homosexuals should have as much right to marry as heterosexuals. Why should they be treated differently just because their partner is of the same sex? If straight people love someone, they get married, and gay people should be able to aswell.

People who are against gay marriage don't really have a reason to be. How will it have any impact on them personally if men are allowed to marry men, and women are allowed to marry women?
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Old September 1st, 2010, 12:36 am
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I personally think that homosexuals should have as much right to marry as heterosexuals. Why should they be treated differently just because their partner is of the same sex? If straight people love someone, they get married, and gay people should be able to aswell.

People who are against gay marriage don't really have a reason to be. How will it have any impact on them personally if men are allowed to marry men, and women are allowed to marry women?
Agreed. It only makes sense. If they have the same rights as others do.


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Old September 1st, 2010, 6:37 am
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Re: Gay Marriage

I read in the paper today that some politician or something here in Australia (Can't remember the guy's name, sorry) said something along the lines of, "I can't in good conscience support gay marriage. The best option for children is that they be raised by a mother and father. It may not always be possible, but it's the best option."

Needless to say, I disagree.

The best option for a child is to be raised by people who love him. Who cares if they are male and female or two males or two females?


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Old September 1st, 2010, 1:46 pm
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Heterosexual parents do not have a monopoly on good parenting. Indeed good parenting is something that many never aspire to regardless of whatever "2.2 children, good dual income, suburban sun" life they might have. I'm not convinced that gays cannot make good surrogate or adoptive parents.


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Old September 1st, 2010, 4:34 pm
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I think as long as your parents love you and treat you properly, it doesn't matter what gender they are.


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Old September 1st, 2010, 4:59 pm
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Re: Gay Marriage

I completely agree. The whole idea of gender roles and children supposedly needing both seems like a desperate cling to tradition, to be honest. They should have role models from both genders why - to grow up within a gender model pre-decided for them and see the opposite sex in just as pre-decided shading? I don't think it's that crucial.


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Old September 2nd, 2010, 10:39 am
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Well, and I think that not supporting gay marriage because you don't agree with gay couples raising children doesn't really make sense. Many unmarried gay couples already have children. It's not all that uncommon for gay and bisexual people to have children from former partners of the opposite sex, and a lot of unmarried gay couples have kids together via sperm donation/surrogacy, or adoption.

However, not allowing gay marriage puts these families at a big risk. In cases where one partner is the biological parent of the couple's children, the non-biological parent can have a lot of trouble being recognized as a parent. They have to try to adopt their own kid. And unmarried gay couples aren't always able to adopt jointly, I don't think. This can create some serious, potentially life-threatening, issues.

I doubt that legalizing gay marriage would result in that many more families with gay parents. It would just add a lot of legal stability to those that exist.


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Re: Gay Marriage

On the subject of children, a good step forward today for legalising gay adoption in New South Wales (which is already legal in Westeran Australia and the ACT): http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...02/3000652.htm


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Old September 2nd, 2010, 10:35 pm
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I think as long as your parents love you and treat you properly, it doesn't matter what gender they are.
The gender shouldn't matter here. It's how a person/people treat their kids that really counts in the end.

@DancingMaenid: Why do people keep on hedging on these issues? It just doesn't really make any real sense to me here ...

It certainly does, since they wouldn't have the same protections and such that a straight married couple would have.


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Old September 3rd, 2010, 8:19 am
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I completely agree. The whole idea of gender roles and children supposedly needing both seems like a desperate cling to tradition, to be honest. They should have role models from both genders why - to grow up within a gender model pre-decided for them and see the opposite sex in just as pre-decided shading? I don't think it's that crucial.
And indeed, I think we have enough examples of children being raised by only one person to know that children take cues about their gender roles from a lot more sources than just parents. Families just aren't that insular anymore. (And for the better, I say.)


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Old September 4th, 2010, 10:12 pm
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And indeed, I think we have enough examples of children being raised by only one person to know that children take cues about their gender roles from a lot more sources than just parents. Families just aren't that insular anymore. (And for the better, I say.)
Well, and have families ever been that insular to begin with? There are certainly examples of families living secluded lives, but in general, people have always formed communities, even if they were rural or small communities. I can't think of too many situations where a kid would receive influence only from their parents.


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Old September 10th, 2010, 10:17 pm
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I read in the paper today that some politician or something here in Australia (Can't remember the guy's name, sorry) said something along the lines of, "I can't in good conscience support gay marriage. The best option for children is that they be raised by a mother and father. It may not always be possible, but it's the best option."

Needless to say, I disagree.

The best option for a child is to be raised by people who love him. Who cares if they are male and female or two males or two females?
That seems illogical on a couple of levels. As you, and others, have said, a child is better off with people who love them, whether that's one parent or two, a straight or a same-sex couple. It doesn't matter as long as the parent(s) love the child and want them to be safe and happy and cared for. The rest is just convention.

Also, not every couple -straight or same-sex - want children. People don't marry just to have children. So, to oppose gay marriage for that reason strikes me as illogical.

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Well, and I think that not supporting gay marriage because you don't agree with gay couples raising children doesn't really make sense. Many unmarried gay couples already have children. It's not all that uncommon for gay and bisexual people to have children from former partners of the opposite sex, and a lot of unmarried gay couples have kids together via sperm donation/surrogacy, or adoption.
That's a good point, and it makes this politician's argument seem even more groundless.

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However, not allowing gay marriage puts these families at a big risk. In cases where one partner is the biological parent of the couple's children, the non-biological parent can have a lot of trouble being recognized as a parent. They have to try to adopt their own kid. And unmarried gay couples aren't always able to adopt jointly, I don't think. This can create some serious, potentially life-threatening, issues.
I think that's very sad, and it must be horrible for the children concerned as well, to see one of their parents to be treated like that. It's other peoples' attitudes that are going to hurt the kids.


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Old September 20th, 2010, 7:43 pm
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I'm in a (British) civil partnership, and from what I can gather the only difference with actual marriage is its name. All the forms, the ceremony, etc. are identical.

My wife is also officially my 11-year old son's stepmother (she has parental responsibility). She's a good mum, better than me, and a good dad, better than his natural dad. It's nothing to do with sexual orientation but all to do with what kind of person you are, ya know?


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Slight change of topic, but too poignant to miss.

A Texas councillor talks about bullying of gay (and assumed gay) pupils in school - and tells teenagers 'it gets better'.

One of the most moving things I have seen in a long time. Stick with it - it's worth all the 13 minutes it takes.



(and yes, it also has a good deal to say about gay marriage - in a place which, I assume, doesn't actually accept gay marriage?)


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I'm in a (British) civil partnership, and from what I can gather the only difference with actual marriage is its name. All the forms, the ceremony, etc. are identical.

My wife is also officially my 11-year old son's stepmother (she has parental responsibility). She's a good mum, better than me, and a good dad, better than his natural dad. It's nothing to do with sexual orientation but all to do with what kind of person you are, ya know?
You couldn't have said that better Starling. That's pretty much how I view it as well. Just as long as both parties involved in the marriage itself are two half way decent people who love and care for one another -- that's what really counts. Who they are on the inside, not what their sexual orientation is.


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I grew up in a muslim community, and went to a catholic school, and in oth religions getting marrid to the same sex is not aloowed. I dont feel good about it, but it depends where you are snd the culture you grew in


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Old October 19th, 2010, 10:38 am
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For most of human history, marriage had nothing to do with religion. It was a business contract.


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Also, not every couple -straight or same-sex - want children. People don't marry just to have children. So, to oppose gay marriage for that reason strikes me as illogical.
To add to that, you don't need marriage to have children.

I have women friends who are in same sex relationships and have kids and I have friends that are single mothers by choice. The only difference in the two scenarios is that the single mother by choice doesn't have a loving live-in partner to help in raising a child. She needs to rely on family and friends and neighbors and babysitters and so on. The same sex couple has someone there all the time to help. From that perspective, the same sex couple has the advantage.

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For most of human history, marriage had nothing to do with religion. It was a business contract.
For the most part, in the US anyway, it still is. The government and laws makes it to your advantage to marry.


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Old October 21st, 2010, 11:33 pm
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Totally for gay marriage. Of course, where I'm from, in the southern United States, there are lots of states that don't even allow civil unions. We had the same problem with racism here in the south. Now that that's finally starting to get better, they're discriminating against gays and lesbians! It's a little sad. But, who knows? There could be day where LGBT have equal rights. I'm hoping and praying for that day


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I grew up in a muslim community, and went to a catholic school, and in oth religions getting marrid to the same sex is not aloowed. I dont feel good about it, but it depends where you are snd the culture you grew in
What depends on where you are and the culture you grew in?

By the way, your very signature contradicts your opinion.

Klio, that video actually made me cry I love how more and more people in power are speaking up for gay rights by the day. Colin Farrell, Lady Gaga, Ellen, Jennifer Aniston, Brad and Angelina, the list is endless...


 
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