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Wow, it looks like summit is seriously considering breaking up Breaking Dawn into 2 movies like what warner bros. did with deathly hallows. Personally, I thought it was pretty ridiculous when this was first suggested mainly because, unlike DH, I felt like BD could easily fit into one movie. I found it almost funny when Stephenie Meyer first suggested it because I didn't think there was enough that happened in BD to fill up 4 hrs. With DH there was so many different sequences. Every chapter was so packed with events all of which I felt would be a huge loss if omitted.

With BD, we have the wedding, honeymoon, the birth, bella adjusting to vampire life, and then the volturi showdown. The first hour could go up to the birth, the second hour could be about renesmee and posttransformation bella.

Well, I guess financially it makes sense for them to do this considering how much new moon has made. If they do split the movies, my guess is the first will end when bella becomes a vampire and renesmee is born.

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Old December 2nd, 2009, 1:21 am
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I agree with you phoenix. HPDH is packed and there are so many things important in DH, it would be hard to leave anything out. David Heyman, I think, even has said that making DH into one film would be impossible.

BD is just the opposite. It's full of stuff you could easily omit. I remember SMeyer saying something about BD just has so much info that there's no way they could fit it all into one film. But they don't need to fit it all into one film. The book is full of conversation (and enough boring parts, I thought) that could easily be omitted. But I also found it funny that SMeyer was saying this around the same time that all the intense comparisons of HP and Twilight were going on, and DH had already been announced as a 2 movie deal. I guess it was just bad timing, because it made SMeyer sound like because HP got two movies, then her book needs two movies. Just what I thought anyway.

I think it's only obvious the reason their making this into two films is for the money. The movies will make money simply because of the fan base that will love the movies no matter what. But there is not enough in BD for it to warrant two films. It could easily be done in a 2 1/2 - 3 hour film, and even at three hours, they'd be stretching to fill it without making it a snooze fest, especially to the movie-goers that are not part of the fan base.

I find it interesting too, that even some of the strong fans of the series are against them making two films out of this last book.


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Uggh. No for Breaking Dawn being cut into two movies. The only thing I liked in that book was Jacob's book. It's not enough to cut into two books, it's just not enough at all.


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Wow, it looks like summit is seriously considering breaking up Breaking Dawn into 2 movies like what warner bros. did with deathly hallows. Personally, I thought it was pretty ridiculous when this was first suggested mainly because, unlike DH, I felt like BD could easily fit into one movie. I found it almost funny when Stephenie Meyer first suggested it because I didn't think there was enough that happened in BD to fill up 4 hrs. With DH there was so many different sequences. Every chapter was so packed with events all of which I felt would be a huge loss if omitted.

With BD, we have the wedding, honeymoon, the birth, bella adjusting to vampire life, and then the volturi showdown. The first hour could go up to the birth, the second hour could be about renesmee and posttransformation bella.

Well, I guess financially it makes sense for them to do this considering how much new moon has made. If they do split the movies, my guess is the first will end when bella becomes a vampire and renesmee is born.

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This is just getting ridiculous!

First Deathly Hallows, then The Hobbit (now also owned by WB after they bought out New Line), and now the Twilight series?! Er, I find it really hard to believe any book in the Twilight series has enough depth to warrant this! In fact, the only one of those 3 that does is DH

Good Lord, what films are going to be split next? Is this the wave of the future for movies now? Studios just want more money...


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This is just getting ridiculous!

First Deathly Hallows, then The Hobbit (now also owned by WB after they bought out New Line), and now the Twilight series?! Er, I find it really hard to believe any book in the Twilight series has enough depth to warrant this! In fact, the only one of those 3 that does is DH

Good Lord, what films are going to be split next? Is this the wave of the future for movies now? Studios just want more money...
I've read all three, and I agree, DH is the only one that has some justification for a movie split.

Why should Breaking Dawn be split into two films? One of my main problems with Breaking Dawn - the whole series, in fact - is that there is a lot of unnecessary narration. Any editor could have seen that the book should have been cut down - it was way too long. So if I feel that way about the book, there's no way that I think two films for Breaking Dawn is in any way justified.

There are basically three things major things that happened, all of which could fit in, (maximum) three hours.

The only reason Summit is considering this is easy enough to deduce . . . money.


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I've read all three, and I agree, DH is the only one that has some justification for a movie split.

Why should Breaking Dawn be split into two films? One of my main problems with Breaking Dawn - the whole series, in fact - is that there is a lot of unnecessary narration. Any editor could have seen that the book should have been cut down - it was way too long. So if I feel that way about the book, there's no way that I think two films for Breaking Dawn is in any way justified.

There are basically three things major things that happened, all of which could fit in, (maximum) three hours.

The only reason Summit is considering this is easy enough to deduce . . . money.
How many pages is it?

Unless it's quite lengthy I fail to see why any of 'em should be more than 2 hrs max...that's about all a non-Twilight reader can stand


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Ok I admit I thought it was a joke when they said Breaking Dawn would be split. Because there's absolutely nothing in the book that deserves too much time in the movie. Unless they're going to dwell on every little unimportant info in the book. I can even predict that it will be a let down for many Twilighters. Because of the false battle and all.
It just doesn't make sense to of at all. .


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\I think it's only obvious the reason their making this into two films is for the money. The movies will make money simply because of the fan base that will love the movies no matter what. But there is not enough in BD for it to warrant two films. It could easily be done in a 2 1/2 - 3 hour film, and even at three hours, they'd be stretching to fill it without making it a snooze fest, especially to the movie-goers that are not part of the fan base.

I find it interesting too, that even some of the strong fans of the series are against them making two films out of this last book.
Yes, I am a fan of the twilight series and I think it is completely ridiculous that they are planning on splitting up BD into 2 movies. There is just not enough that happens in BD to warrant 2 films. At least with twilight and new moon, it was more centered on relationships so including the little scenes at least contributed to developing bella and edward in the former and jacob and bella in the latter. With BD, the love triangle is resolves, the romantic tension is over, so beyond that there really wasn't much of a plot.

HP definitely set a precedent with these split films. At least with DH, I really believe it was for creative reasons with financial gain icing on the cake. With twilight though, it is obviously for the money.

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How many pages is it?

Unless it's quite lengthy I fail to see why any of 'em should be more than 2 hrs max...that's about all a non-Twilight reader can stand

I just checked and it is 756 pages. It actually seemed a lot shorter than that because there really isn't a whole lot that happens. It surprised me that it was actually that long since I can really summarize the plot in probably in a few sentences. I should mention though that the font is much larger than HP's.



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Surely, it's not a matter of how many pages a book has, but how the story flows.

For the record, I still think that none of these three warrants a split. This splitting thing is really getting ridiculous - and nobody can tell me that it hans't been a very blatant attempt to string out a lucrative franchise for one more movie from the very beginning...


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Has anybody thought who would play Renesmee?

I'll go out on a very very very dangerous limb particularly in this forum...

Since DH is going to wrap up filming.

I am hoping...

Emma Watson could get the part as Renesmee!...

She could still pass off as 17 years old...

Maybe i'm still hung over wishing she would have been better off playing Bella Swan... But personally her playing and older Renesmee could fit her schedule with school and all... Plus it would be nice to see her playing something else.


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I was thinking that Renesmee would just be a CGI special effect, since she ages so fast; if you wanted a real human child to play it, you'd have to get a numerous amount of actors because she's able to walk and talk at such a young age. You'd have to get one to play her when she's a baby, and one when's she starting to talk. I just don't think it'd work very well.


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Has anybody thought who would play Renesmee?

I'll go out on a very very very dangerous limb particularly in this forum...

Since DH is going to wrap up filming.

I am hoping...

Emma Watson could get the part as Renesmee!...

She could still pass off as 17 years old...

Maybe i'm still hung over wishing she would have been better off playing Bella Swan... But personally her playing and older Renesmee could fit her schedule with school and all... Plus it would be nice to see her playing something else.
Umm... how would they explain the accent?


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Has anybody thought who would play Renesmee?

I'll go out on a very very very dangerous limb particularly in this forum...

Since DH is going to wrap up filming.

I am hoping...

Emma Watson could get the part as Renesmee!...

She could still pass off as 17 years old...

Maybe i'm still hung over wishing she would have been better off playing Bella Swan... But personally her playing and older Renesmee could fit her schedule with school and all... Plus it would be nice to see her playing something else.

Doesn't renesmee go from being a baby to about 7 years old by the end of BD? Emma is far too old to play Renesmee. Even if they did some kind of spinoff with her and Jacob, as much as I like emma I am not sure if she would fit this role.


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The demon spawn Renesmee should be CGI. Personally I can't wait for the scene where Jacob imprints on Mary Sue Junior. That scene can be nothing else but bizarre and creepy. They should play it like this....Jacob sees Baby...Baby sees Jacob.....their eyes meet....the camera switches to soft focus....and Nina Rota's theme from "Romeo and Juliet" begins to play, while the other characters exchange worried looks and glances. It sounds absurd...but so is the storyline to this final book/movie.


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As a hardcore Twihater, I can't wait for Breaking Dawn to come out. There's absolutely no way you can show a 20-something year old guy falling in love with a newborn baby and not have it come off creepy and disgusting. Hopefully people seeing it makes them realize it is creepy and disgusting, cause apparently reading it made it seem romantic to a surprising amount of people. Even my friends, who love the books, think that if the movie is made, the baby/Jacob stuff should be cut. As my friend put it "it would make us all look weird for liking the books if people see that"

As far as being split into two movies: Stephenie Meyer seems to be constantly trying to one-up JKR and it's pretty obvious. JKR announces she's going to publish her notes, suddenly SMeyer plans to publish her (previously unmentioned...didn't she say she typed everything on the computer from the very beginning? Yeahh..) Twilight notes. Deathly Hallows is split into two movies and suddenly SMeyer makes a statement saying that Breaking Dawn should be split into two (if not three. Her words) movies because "so much goes on you couldn't possibly cover it all in one movie". Pathetic.

I didn't read much of the book, but I read the first 3 in the series and unless the writing style changed dramatically, I assume about 1/3 or 1/2 of BD is Bella being emo and having "i love you more" "no i love you more" conversations with Edward. So obviously, that much can be cut out.

I think it would've been better if all 4 books had been condensed down into one (possibly two) movie. If you take out the pointless fluff of the books, and just stick with the "plot" (and i'm using that word very loosely), there's honestly not much left over. Would've been much better to squish all the books together


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Ok I admit I thought it was a joke when they said Breaking Dawn would be split. Because there's absolutely nothing in the book that deserves too much time in the movie. Unless they're going to dwell on every little unimportant info in the book. I can even predict that it will be a let down for many Twilighters. Because of the false battle and all.
It just doesn't make sense to of at all. .
Seriously.

The book was terrible and painful to read. I can only imagine the movie to be the same. Theres no need whatsoever to split this one because: One, it wont make as much money as they think. Two: Not enough substance in the book to warrant a split. I was really hoping they wouldnt make this one.


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Breaking Dawn was the book that made me despise everything about the Twilight series (I had previously been a big fan), and I think the movie version is just going to magnify all of the terrible things that made me turn - Bella being bruised after their first, er, consummation and then begging for more, the revolting birthing scene, the emphasis on vanity, the imprint on the baby...that may work (for some) in a book, but seeing all that is a lot different than reading it. It makes me wonder how they'll be able to keep the film PG-13...

And two movies is ridiculous. A lot of the length of the book is conversation and thought sequences - the plotlines could easily fit into one movie after cutting out thoughts, descriptions of unnatural beauty (because they take up a lot of space), and conversations that don't further the plots. If they split it into two movies the pace would be incredibly slow - unless they decide to majorly extend what was supposed to be the climax to an actual battle to magically take up an hour.


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I am in a bit of a middle ground re: Twilight. I think it's ridiculously trashy, but love reading it because of that (a girl needs to escape every once in a while).

That said, I actually understand wanting to split BD into two films. There was a HUGE ridge in the middle of the novel - right after Renesmee was born. In terms of narrative structure, there are two intro-complication-conclusion arcs in the book:

#1 - They get married, Renesmee is conceived, drama re: wolf pack, drama re: Jacob, Renesmee is born and imprinted on.

#2 - Bella becomes vampire, oooo fancy new things/life, Irina sees Renesmee, reports to Volturi, drama re: saving themselves, drama re: Alice, woo new vampire characters (they can add in lots of cool stuff here), keeping stuff from Edward, mastering skills, final fight.

I was surprised it wasn't two books, actually. Yes, I could see a lot being cut out for one film and I wouldn't be all that upset because I think it's the most padded book of recent memory, but the fact is that all the Twi-hards out there want more of everything - more Edward dreaminess, more Jacob awesomeness, more cool vampire things, more, more, more. These films are catering to those fans, even if they aren't the rational fans that realise there is a lot that can be cut. The studio does not want to be screamed at for cutting stuff.


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Random thought here...

Only place i know where to put it!...

Molly Weasley has one line... That would almost perfectly fit something Bella would say against the Volturi... Or somebody that threatened her Renesmee!

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Well, I guess it is official. BD will be two films. They definitely copied DH on this one.

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