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Old July 23rd, 2005, 12:51 am
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I think that this is a rather clever Theory! I dont have too strong of an inclination to believe it though, to me it just doesnt seem right. But it would make sense. I believe that Zacharias Smith is going to play more of an important role than we all suspect, but a direct descendant of Hufflepuff? hmm...

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Old July 23rd, 2005, 12:56 am
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It's definitely a possibility, but Smith is a pretty common surname.


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Old July 23rd, 2005, 2:48 am
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It's definitely a possibility, but Smith is a pretty common surname.
but remember the wizarding population is nowhere near the muggle population in size. we cannot say for fact that smith is a common surname in the wizarding world


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Old July 23rd, 2005, 3:09 am
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I think he's a descendant...even though I'd like to see him get some brain damage from a bludger...


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Old July 24th, 2005, 1:11 am
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I posted the same topic before thoroughly searching to see if a similar topic existed. But I did think of Zacharias when reading that part of the book and now I do think he will help Harry (reluctantly, but all the same) find the Hufflepuff Horcrux. Or he might even have the cup.


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Old July 24th, 2005, 1:44 am
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I posted the same topic before thoroughly searching to see if a similar topic existed. But I did think of Zacharias when reading that part of the book and now I do think he will help Harry (reluctantly, but all the same) find the Hufflepuff Horcrux. Or he might even have the cup.
Zacharias won't have the horcrux though because Tom Riddle took it away after he killed Hepzibah, remember? However, it's interesting how he's mentioned more than usual in this book. He was quidditch commentator...was mentioned at the end of the book being taken home by a very "haughty"-looking family member, etc. He's been mentioned in a couple of books now. While this may not seem unusual for any minor character...I still wonder about him, especially since he was mentioned in the end of Book 6. Well...we'll see. Hopefully Jo might see this thread or be asked this question by someone else later on and maybe we'll get a clue as to whether there is any connection between Zacharias and Hepzibah.


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Old July 24th, 2005, 1:55 am
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Wow, I'm surprised I didn't think of that! That's a really good theory, and it would also help Harry find the other Horcrux. But then again, maybe this is just Mark Evans all over again and it's a coincidence that they have the same surname.



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Old July 24th, 2005, 1:59 am
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It's an interesting theory, but I'd be much more inclined to have faith in it a less common name was used rather than Smith. If she was planting deliberate clues, little, tiny, deep, deep clues, I still think she would use a name that is less common than Smith. After the whole Mark Evans thing, I'm a little skeptical.


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Old July 24th, 2005, 2:02 am
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Wow...

I'd never given thought to Zacharias Smith's lineage! That would make perfect sense. I feel that he may have a part in Book 7, Rowling wouldn't give a second mention to him if he wasn't important...


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Old July 24th, 2005, 2:06 am
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It could be possible. But I doubt he would have anything to do with getting Hufflepuff's cup, or with the storyline. I just dont think it would be very important.


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Old July 24th, 2005, 11:51 pm
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I've seen alot of people say that Zacharias Smith is another Mark Evans. I tend to disagree. Mark Evans appeared once, am I correct. A name in passing. Zacharias's name has been repeated, speaking parts have been given. I truly think that he has some importance. I don't think that he's weilding the Teacup Horcrux...that's for sure. There's no way that Voldermort would put his soul in it and hand it RIGHT back over to the descendants of Hufflepuff to have their afternoon tea in! I do think he can give clues to where it MIGHT be...maybe his mother or father could give that information. I doubt Zacharias Smith is knowlegable of its location! That's giving him too much credit...


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Old July 24th, 2005, 11:58 pm
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Must be!

I just think they must be related - the names are deliberately un-English names, they both have a 'z' in them (how many common names do?) and we have three options here:

1. JKR accidentally gave two characters the name 'Smith' - very unlikely after Mark Evans, doubly so when you consider that the first names are unusual ones.

2. They are related - for me, the most likely (especially given that Zacharias is in Hufflepuff), and definitely something that JKR thinks that we will assume rather than simply postulate. This doesn't necessarily mean that they will be important to the plot but we all seem to reckon they have a role to play, as his name keeps coming up.

3. It's a deliberate red herring - possible, but using some logic: why the red herring if either of the two have nothing important to do with the plot? The only way that one of them could be important to the plot would be if both were to be important to the plot, and if they are important, this negates the possibility of a red herring.


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Old July 25th, 2005, 12:02 am
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1. Lily has the same maiden name as Dudley's friend, doesn't mean anything.
2. I've never heard of anyone named Hepzibah and I know a lot of Jewish and Hebrew speaking people.
3. Smith is a common surname.


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Old July 25th, 2005, 12:27 am
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Given how small the wizard population is, it is entirely probable.


Here is a more important point. We know of two descendants of Hogwarts founders, one with surname Gaunt and the other with surname Smith.

"Gaunt" is a description of someone pale, cold and sickly looking. An extreme description of someone with these features is "reptilian."

A smith is perhaps the epitome of someone who is extremely industrious and yet is fairly common.

Both of these, coindentally, typify aspects of the families' Hogwarts-founding forebearers.


For greater amusement, consider two more surnames: Potter and Wright. Both dwelt at Godric's Hollow. One of the St. Godric's was the patron saint of craftsmen and merchants, which include things like potters and wrights.....

Now, somehow the Leaky-Cauldron concluded that Harry could not be descended from Gryffindor given the fact that Voldemort did not kill the senior Potters, which JKR did not contradict. However, this conclusion was completely invalid: I do not see how "If descendant of Gryffindor, then Voldemort would kill them" must be true, and the logic requires that premise.

And, the surname thing could be just a big coincidence.....


If not, then look for any descendant families of Ravenclaw to have surnames reflecting characteristics of the founder or something associated with the founder. Hmmm, do Ravens have any general properties?


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Old July 25th, 2005, 12:32 am
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It's a good catch, noting the Hebrew names, especially. . . but I feel like it's a theory that doesn't really go anywhere to really add to the story. So Zacharias Smith might be a descendent of Hufflepuff; so what? Harry gives the cup back to Zacharias once the horcrux is destroyed? Even if it's true, it hardly seems revealing or necessary to the plot at all.


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Old July 25th, 2005, 12:34 am
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I had the exact same though when I read that part of HBP, and I reckon there is more to ol' Zac than what meets the eye!

I wonder what relevance this could have in relation to all the Horcruxes..


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Old July 25th, 2005, 2:07 am
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Firstly, I also spotted the Smith link, although it is a common name. One thing I'm unsure of is can you touch a Horcrux? (they picked up the locket in Grimmauld Place). Hepizah Smith was very rich and is it possible that her family would have been prepared to pay a lot of money for the return of the cup after it had been stolen? Maybe the Horcrux is back in the Smith family? Zacharius could be the one to take us there. (and he's definatly not evil - a prat perhaps, but he was in the DA, despite his initial doubts)

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JKR said on her site that Molly's maiden name was Prewett, and that she was the sister of the Prewetts brothers who were murdered in the first war.
OK, going by the theory about the Weasleys (in particular Ginny) being Gryfinndor heirs, could the Gryffindor descendent who was killed for the 5th horcrux be Molly's brother(s)?
Does that make sense to anyone but me?
(Also, does anyone else think it strange that Ron has never mentioned the fact that he lost uncles in VoldWarI? Even if he didn't know them, he'd know of them - he knows about the 3rd-cousin accountant)


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Old July 28th, 2005, 4:28 am
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Wow. I missed that. Seems quite possible to me! I never paid much attention to the little piece of garbage. He annoyed me in ways my little brother can. But, yes! I love theories that make sense!


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Old July 28th, 2005, 4:42 am
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I didn't think of this--interesting! Though I really can't see what roll he would play, if any...


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Old July 28th, 2005, 5:36 am
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I definitely think they are related. And I think Harry will have to bite his tongue and make nice in order to enlist the help of Zacharias...and though if anyone would have a better chance of finding the cup it would be the descendant of Helga Hufflepuff, I really don't think he'll be that much help. But he'll play a role.

Another hint that he's important. He, like Regulus Black, at first seemed like an unimportant throwaway character...but they are both mentioned prominently in HBP. (Unlike...say...Michael Corner ...who we may never see again). This seems like another JKR style hint - reminding us of these guys - they're important!


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