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Re: The Deathly Hallows Movie(s): News (with Spoilers) v.5

Perhaps we don't see the actual mudblood carving until Part 2. I mean, I know it was something said by test screeners, but perhaps we see the carving on her arm during when she talks to Griphook? The part where she calls herself a mudblood?


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I am talking about us knowing that Voldemort is on the way and that he arrives just as Harry and Hermione escape. That is all cut which takes away, in my opinion, what was very intense about the scene.

I do think that curcio is implied torture though. We may see her screaming like Harry in GoF.


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I am talking about us knowing that Voldemort is on the way and that he arrives just as Harry and Hermione escape. That is all cut which takes away, in my opinion, what was very intense about the scene.

I do think that curcio is implied torture though. We may see her screaming like Harry in GoF.
Hopefully slightly better acted though.


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I do think that curcio is implied torture though. We may see her screaming like Harry in GoF.
This was my very thought whence reading the BBFC's statement. I guess legitimate torture would be literal physical abuse. Crucio, I don't think, can be classified as such, and is therefore branded "implied".


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Hopefully slightly better acted though.
Well agreed better acted. It is Emma after all and not Dan. I remember reading an article where the people on set were very disturbed by some of Emma's screaming.

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This was my very thought whence reading the BBFC's statement. I guess legitimate torture would be literal physical abuse. Crucio, I don't think, can be classified as such, and is therefore branded "implied".
Right it isn't as if they are beating her up or cutting off her fingers or something. It is crucio which is sort of like implied electroshock or something. At least that is how i always imagined it.



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in an animation sequence, an undetailed silhouette depiction of a person hanging himself.
Definitely the brother with the Resurrection Stone.

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Bonnie Wright and the Phelps brothers promoting Part I:

http://snitchseeker.com/harry-potter...aybreak-77396/

For the interview in Belgium with the Phelps, a certain death was brought up...


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in an animation sequence, an undetailed silhouette depiction of a person hanging himself.
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in an animation sequence, an undetailed silhouette depiction of a person hanging himself. It does not feature any detail of the techniques of hanging, nor any suggestion that hanging is anything other than deadly.


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I also think that Hermione's torture scene is implied because of the Cruciatus curse.
Bellatrix interrogates Hermione. She's shouting crazily and fires Crucio at Hermione several times. Logically, Hermione will be on the floor twisting and trembling while being 'tortured' (in that electroshock way). Lots of screaming, several cuts to Harry and Ron being scared and panicked in the cellar. During the scene at the dungeons where they talk with Ollivander and Luna and try to find a way out, there will be several screaming by Hermione and short cuts to Bellatrix still shouting and interrogating over Hermione's body.
So I guess the whole 'torture' scene will be presented that way: a combination of shots from the drawing room and the cellar.


The strange thing is the 'off screen' mention.
But it's certain that we WILL see Bellatrix interrogating Hermione and screaming at her. We will also hear loads Hermione screaming (weren't there reports that there are some extreme close-up shots where Bellatrix's face is too close to Hermione taunting and threatening her?) and I guess there will be several shots of Hermione spinning and twisting on the floor while screaming, as well as reactions from the Malfoys (didn't Felton say that Draco is scared and shocked during the scene?).


Don't know. I hope so...From the test-screenings it sounded like one of the most intense moments in the film and there was great acting by Carter and Watson. So why would they cut it? Even Yates said that they filmed a 4-minute sequence and kept the 2 minutes where both actresses gave really haunting performances.


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Re: The Deathly Hallows Movie(s): News (with Spoilers) v.5

I can understand, with getting the 12A or PG13 rating that we would not see the entire torture...we didn't even see all of it in the book, we heard it. Glimpses would be fine but show me something!

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The last thing I watched was the cafe attack. I've seen nothing of Malfoy Manor. I figure I can last 9 days.


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That's true...although I don't see why we might not see Bellatrix branding the word 'Mudblood.' It's not THAT graphic.


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That's true...although I don't see why we might not see Bellatrix branding the word 'Mudblood.' It's not THAT graphic.
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Part I was classified M ("Mature - fantasy themes and violence") in Australia today. Both HBP and OotP received the same classification from the board.


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Other issues include an unusual sequence in which we see a vision, conjured by Voldemort in order to taunt Ron, of an apparently naked Harry and Hermione embracing and kissing. Any detail of nudity is carefully concealed by angles and by the swirling mists of the vision but nudity is strongly implied. This sequence is containable at '12A' where the Guidelines state that 'nudity is allowed, but in a sexual context must be brief and discreet'.
I can't wait to see this scene.


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Ok, in regards to the torturing of Hermione...

I'm not terribly discouraged because I've seen a number of PG-13 (ie TDK) and even R films (ie Se7en) where some of the violence was more or less "implied" and sometimes I think this is actually a more effective way to go. However, there have also been PG-13 films that have shown fairly graphic torture (ie Casino Royale, as already mentioned) so I'd hope the scene in question hasn't been watered down too much.

As long as the tone of the scene is not compromised it should be ok. I almost think hearing Hermione screaming off screen could be more effective. See in scenarios like that your mind is free to fill in the blanks and often your imagination comes up with stuff far more graphic.

My guess is that it will be a mix. We might see bits of Bella using crucio and threatening with the knife...and then cut to the dungeon and we'll hear Hermione screaming more intensely, leaving us wondering how much it's escalated. Could be many cuts back and forth actually.


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According to the notes, the brutal markings on Hermione's forearm have not been taken out of Part I, so we will still see "Mudblood" carved in bloody scratches after the torture. It does seem like their emphasis on "off-screen" means that the torture has been cut down, but like IC said, this doesn't necessarily compromise the tone of the scene and may not reduce its effectiveness.

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Oh, and I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but the wording there is kinda vague. It almost reads as if the "torture off-screen" is just referring to the Mudblood carving part, which we already knew would not be shown. Unless it was more along the lines of the "I will not tell lies" scene in OotP, admittedly that could too graphic for PG-13 if she was to actually bleed as Bella carved into her skin. That's R stuff.

BTW, as someone on HPF forum said, it's interesting that they have gone into such detail for the extended classification. This is most they've written for one of these and it seems it was quite close to a 15 rating considering all the justifications they are trying to make.

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I'm interested to see what kids-in-mind gives as their ratings are a lot more objective - http://www.kids-in-mind.com/help/about.htm

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For DH I'm expecting to see 6.7.3. For reference here is what the others got- http://www.kids-in-mind.com/cgi-bin/...y=0&I14=Search

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Going through their archives I see anything over a 7, 8, and 6 is beyond PG-13 for sex/nudity, violence/gore, and profanity respectively.


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Box Office Magazine has updated their report on the pre-release ticket sales of Part I:

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November 10 Update: As of 9 a.m. PT, Fandango.com is reporting 900 sold-out shows and MovieTickets.com boasts 800 for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part I.
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Yahoo has released a new trailer for the Part I video game. Now, why am I discussing this here? After all, there is a thread for the video games. However, what's revealed in this new trailer is relevant to a debate concerning the movie itself: will the Silver Doe appear as simply a ball of light, or will it be a doe? In this new trailer, it clearly turns into a doe. As many of you know, the video games follow the movies well enough and use the same designs for the characters and environments.

http://blog.games.yahoo.com/blog/159...hallows-part-1

Watch from 0:47-:0:48.


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