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Old March 5th, 2003, 3:47 am
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A lot of good arguments on ALL sides in this thread. I believe it is POSSIBLE that the Marauders were in different houses but I'm not sure it is likely. Perhaps during James' time at Hogwarts the House rivalry between Slytherin and Gryffindor was not so bitter. And IF they had as many classes together as they do in Harry's day then there was ample time to develop friendships. Because the class groupings have (in our experience) been limited to two houses to a class, I wonder, though, if the Marauders were in more than two different houses.


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Old March 19th, 2003, 12:24 am
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All four were in Gryffindor weren't they? Otherwise such a close friendship would not have been possible because they would have slept in different dorms and eaten on seperate table and had seperate lessons (probably)
I agree with that, especially seeing as so far in the series, JK hasn't shown many close friendships between houses. I don't think it would be as possible for the Marauders to know each other as thoroughly as they did if they were all in different houses.

As to Peter being in Gryffindor, he was obviously smart enough to pass beneath the radar of suspicion when it came to figuring out who was passing information to Voldemort. Voldemort must have seen some bravery in him at one point or another to trust him the way he did.


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Old March 19th, 2003, 1:15 am
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Re: unidentified Marauder room-mate - how about Mr Longbottom?
I dont think he was a Marauder or we WOULD know, but I think they could have been friends.
I am equally happy with a *dorm of 4* idea - maybe DD saw that Sirius and James would coax Remus out of his shell, and that the 3 of them would help and support Peter? We don't know how dorms are assigned.

I think all the Marauders were in Gryffindor (she states after treating the idea of them sharing a dorm as fact).

I think that they thought Sirius had gone mad - the laughing. Insanity and evilness are different.


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Old March 19th, 2003, 8:05 am
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And remember that the hat looks for things that the founders liked.
Wormtail is obviously a coward, and therefore a bad fit for Gryffindor. But he is also not bright, loyal and trustworthy or even ambitious. So he really doesn't have ANY of the things that the founders looked for. So maybe he then is a bit more brave than he is loyal, and ended up in Gryffindor because of that.

And with people like that, how can you say that the Hat put them in the right house. There IS no right house.


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Old March 19th, 2003, 10:46 am
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That's a good question, why was Peter placed in Gryffindor? I think that maybe we WILL see some bravery in him in the future. Remember what Dumbledore said to Harry after he saved Peter's life? Peter would be in his debt. I just don't think the sorting hat puts people in the wrong house.


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Old May 6th, 2003, 8:37 pm
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I feel like bumping this up because I've got a few more thoughts on it:

1) Sirius
Until POA, as far as anyone knew, Sirius was a very notorious dark wizard. So it seems a bit unlikely for even Hagrid to say that bad wizards are generally Slytherins if Sirius was not a Slytherin. The other possibilities are that Hagrid just has a bias against Slytherin (very likely after what happened with Tom Riddle) or simply that it was too much of a mouthful to say "all wizards who went bad were in Slytherin except Sirius Black".

2) Peter
It's a bit hard to see Peter as a Gryffindor since he says himself "I was never brave". Maybe he has some hidden bravery in a very obscure place, or he was in another house and knew one of the Marauders before Hogwarts, or he begged the hat to put him in Gryffindor.

3) Remus
Remus admits to being cowardly when he failed to tell Dumbledore that Sirius was an Animagus. But bravery comes in many forms, and I think he has been brave in fighting the beast that society thinks he is. He could just give up all attempts to prove his humanity since it won't work on most people, but he doesn't. I think he was a rather bookish child, superficially a Ravenclaw type, but so's Hermione and she is a Gryffindor because she values bravery over books and cleverness.

4) The Mystery Fifth Room-mate
We may never find out if there was another Gryffindor boy in the Marauders' dorm, but if there was, he would have been a bit puzzled when first one room-mate disappears every month, then four of them do...


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Old May 7th, 2003, 3:47 am
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I think you can go bad despite what house your in.
The house traits look for the best in people but it doesn't mean the other characteristics aren't there.
I think the only reason Slytherin gets the bad reputation is because ambitious people aim higher therefore might get into more trouble.

Sirius must have been a Gryffindor unless they changed the rule about eating with your house.
James and Sirius would've had a harder time being inseperable otherwise. Of course it's not impossible. Percy managed to see his girlfriend..

As for Lupin - defeintly a Gryffindor.
The only thing I'm curious about is bravery being Peter's strongest point. He's a real coward.


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Old July 14th, 2003, 4:33 pm
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In the book it's mentiond several times that Remus, Sirius and James was in Gryffindor...but theres something that i don't understand

PETER PETTIGREW!!!
Was he in Gryffindor...?

He must've been 'cos he was "friends" with Remus, Sirius and James, and i don't think that they would hang out with a Slytherin.

The only problem is that Peter dosen't have any of the socalled Gryffindor/Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff qualities. His neither brave(Sirius says that he's always been a coward), he's not smart nor loyal to his friends, but i don't understandwhy the Sorting-hat would put Peter in Gryffindor...!

Please help me understand...!


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Old July 14th, 2003, 10:13 pm
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James Potter was the seeker for Giffindor (sp). Also Peter's badness is not common knowelege. I would put them all in the same house b/c then they could have said 'hey, his bed is empty again'. I don't think they really made a head count or anything to see where all the death eaters came from, it sounds more like round-the-table-talk.


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Old July 16th, 2003, 10:07 pm
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well, the part that he didn't go bad like everyone else means his dark wizard family... He wouldn't have been friends with the other Marauders at all if he was in Slytherin..


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Old July 16th, 2003, 10:23 pm
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I think that all four of the marauders were in Gryffindor. I believe that the statement that "all bad wizards are from Slytherin" is an exaggeration. It's fairly obvious that James was a Gryffindor, and no doubt his best friends also would have been. I always assumed that people from other houses could go bad too. The reason Slytherins get called evil is because they are the power-hungry, crafty, mud-blood-hating house, and these traits cause them to side with Voldemort. I think calling all Slytherins evil and the other houses good is entirely too black and white. For one thing, I do not believe Snape is an evil character, and he went to Slytherin. He's certainly not a nice character, and there was a time when he sided with Voldemort, but he has made it up and done very good things for Dumbledor.


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Old July 16th, 2003, 10:58 pm
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But, Sirius didn't ACTUALY go bad. He was only accused of "going bad."


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Old July 16th, 2003, 11:09 pm
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I think they were all in Gryffindor. I can think of Wormtail in Hufflepuff(leftover) or Lupin in Ravenclaw, but that's it. But didn't Sirius tell Harry that Lupin was made prefect and not James? Did he mean out of the Marauders or out of their house? Oh well. It's easier for me if they're all in Gryffindor.


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Old July 17th, 2003, 12:08 am
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Sirius wasn't a slytherin there is no evidence that he was!


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Old July 17th, 2003, 4:46 am
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I had considered this before, but now after book 5 (which I can't discuss here) I'm almost sure that Sirius and the others were in Gryffindor. So Peter probably was an exception to the rule.


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Old July 17th, 2003, 10:55 am
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I also think that all the marauders were in gryffindor, though I can't understand why peter was... I don't think that sirius was in slytherin, because of the friendship between him and james... I think it's nearly impossible to have such a close friendship between gryffindor and slytherin...


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Old July 17th, 2003, 11:19 am
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I don't think Sirius's personality is like a Slytherin's. I think the saying that all dark wizards are from Slytherin was an exaggeration. There must be dark wizards who went to other schools. Karkaroff was a Death Eater and he probably went to Durmstrang. Also, Harry said in other books about Slytherin turning out more dark wizards than any other house. So, not all the dark wizards came from there, just most.


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Old July 29th, 2003, 4:42 pm
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James Potter's House

Can anyone tell me in which book (and approximately where) it states that James was in Gryffindor House. I have it stated that he was a best boy and that both he and Lily were in Gryffindor house, but I can't recall every actually reading that.


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Old July 29th, 2003, 4:59 pm
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Hm, not sure... But it says he was a seeker for Gryffindor House somewhere. So, obviously... He was in Gryffindor...


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Old July 29th, 2003, 5:15 pm
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it doesn't actually state his house anywhere in the books. JK confirmed in chats that James, Lily, & Hagrid were in Gryffindor.


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