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Old July 28th, 2007, 2:06 pm
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Questions about Horcruxes

If basilisk venom can destroy a Horcrux then why wasn't the Horcrux inside of Harry destroyed when he was stabbed in the arm by a Basilisk tooth in COS?



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Old July 28th, 2007, 2:15 pm
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

I think it would have been destroyed if Harry had died. As he was saved by Fawke's tears, then the Horcrux remained intact.


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Old July 28th, 2007, 2:17 pm
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

I'm assuming because Harry didn't die. In order for the piece of soul stuck to Harry to die, Harry had to die.

The Horcruxes are powerful magical objects and a soul is a rather hard thing to kill without a body, so it would take something extraordinary to defeat them... but since Voldemort's soul was stuck to Harry's body (and I would assume the same would go for Nagini) the only way for it to survive would be if Harry lived. If Harry died, by any means, the soul would have no place to go and thus die as well. Kind of like a parasite.


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Old July 28th, 2007, 2:19 pm
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

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I think it would have been destroyed if Harry had died. As he was saved by Fawke's tears, then the Horcrux remained intact.
yh, and i think the phoenix tears destroyed all existance of the basilisk venom


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Old July 28th, 2007, 3:25 pm
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

If I'm not mistaken, in DH, it said that the casing or enclosure of the Horcrux had to be destroyed in order for the Horcrux to be destroyed. Since Harry did not die, the Horcrux survived.


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Old July 29th, 2007, 5:21 am
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

I would say that if Fawkes had not come to the rescue and saved Harry with the tears, then the horcrux would have been destroyed. Maybe the tears not only saved Harry, but the horcrux as well.


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Old July 29th, 2007, 5:47 am
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

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I'm assuming because Harry didn't die. In order for the piece of soul stuck to Harry to die, Harry had to die.

The Horcruxes are powerful magical objects and a soul is a rather hard thing to kill without a body, so it would take something extraordinary to defeat them... but since Voldemort's soul was stuck to Harry's body (and I would assume the same would go for Nagini) the only way for it to survive would be if Harry lived. If Harry died, by any means, the soul would have no place to go and thus die as well. Kind of like a parasite.
I agree, just too tired right now to type it all out myself.


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Old July 30th, 2007, 2:59 am
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

Hmmmm...I have to go along with the OP--the horcrux should have been destroyed. It should have been destroyed before Fawkes fixed Harry--the Horcruxes seem to be destroyed as soon as the containers crack. Excellent post and theory!

Harry didn't die in Deathly Hallows--the Elder Wand destroyed the Horcrux instead of Harry. The basilisk fang in COS should have killed the Horcrux.


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Old July 30th, 2007, 3:17 am
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

The only explanation I can think of is because Harry didn't die. If he had died from the basilisk bite, then it would have been destroyed. I think the only way that Horcrux would have been destroyed would be if Harry died.


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Old July 30th, 2007, 3:31 am
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

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Hmmmm...I have to go along with the OP--the horcrux should have been destroyed. It should have been destroyed before Fawkes fixed Harry--the Horcruxes seem to be destroyed as soon as the containers crack. Excellent post and theory!

Harry didn't die in Deathly Hallows--the Elder Wand destroyed the Horcrux instead of Harry. The basilisk fang in COS should have killed the Horcrux.
The case for a Horcrux must be destroyed. In the case of a living Horcrux, that requires death.

Harry died in Deathly Hallows. He got to come back because Voldemort's body tethered him to the world, acting as a Horcrux (sort of). Had the Horcrux been destroyed in CoS, Harry would have had this same thing, except he'd die permanently: Voldemort had no body with which to tether Harry to the world at the time.


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Old July 30th, 2007, 3:39 am
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

Harry never died. Fawkes cured the wound, so it never seeped deep enough into Harry to kill him. If he had died of the Basilisk cut, the horcrux would have been destroyed.


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Old August 2nd, 2007, 5:37 am
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HP Bitten by basilisk, horcrux survives???

OK,

Harry got chomped by the basilisk, near death, full of poison yet the horcrux survives with no apparent health issues. In book 7, the dried up fangs can destroy a horcrux. Doesn't logic demand that the one in harry should have been affected by the fang and poison.

Also, shouldn't Voldemort kind of noticed that 1/7 of his soul was missing when he was slicing and dicing it. Seems like he would have noted something was missing and wondered where it was.


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Old August 15th, 2007, 9:07 pm
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

Harry didn't die. I bet if they had phoenix tears with them at the time of destroying the diary or the cup and poured it over the horcruxes, they would stay intact too.


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Old August 15th, 2007, 9:11 pm
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

Im in agreement with the OP, I think that the Horcrux should have gone! But then again maybe it was Fawkes' tears that did it?


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Old August 15th, 2007, 10:39 pm
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

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The case for a Horcrux must be destroyed. In the case of a living Horcrux, that requires death.

Harry died in Deathly Hallows. He got to come back because Voldemort's body tethered him to the world, acting as a Horcrux (sort of). Had the Horcrux been destroyed in CoS, Harry would have had this same thing, except he'd die permanently: Voldemort had no body with which to tether Harry to the world at the time.
Exactly - this is explained by DD in the King's Cross sequence.


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Old August 15th, 2007, 10:41 pm
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

The object (Harry) wasn't destroyed entirely, cause Fawkes saved the day.


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Old August 15th, 2007, 11:00 pm
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

I agree with most of the posts. Harry, the holder of the horcrux, didn't die so the horcrux wasn't destroyed.


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Old August 16th, 2007, 1:46 am
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

it wasn't destroyed to make the seventh book a better novel.

i think i remember reading a horcrux can only fully be destroyed if it is destroyed beyond repair


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Old August 16th, 2007, 1:54 am
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

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I agree with most of the posts. Harry, the holder of the horcrux, didn't die so the horcrux wasn't destroyed.
Wasn't it also supposed to be important that Voldemort himself be the one who destroyed Harry? (I'm trying to remember what Dumbledore told Snape in mentioning that Harry must die, and Voldemort had to be the one to do it...).

Technically, it wasn't Voldemort, but the basilisk that would have killed Harry...


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Old August 16th, 2007, 8:55 am
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Re: Why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry destroyed in COS?

I agree with what others have said. I think Harry had to die for the Horcrux to die. All the other objects in which the Horcruxes were contained had to be completely destroyed for the horcruxes to die. Harry was healed by the phoenix tears in the Chamber of Secrets. Not exactly related to this but I also don't think the whole Harry resurrecting thing was well done or properly explained in Deathly Hallows. I wish she'd written that part better.

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