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Old May 17th, 2005, 2:33 pm
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So three questions about this (for the moment) assuming that the book is responsible for Percy's behaviour (and yes I know that assuming ANYTHING with JKR is dangerous) where is the book now? Who else may have read it? and how do we free Percy from it? Harry had to 'kill' the diary in CoS.

(You know this also has echos of Krum in the GoF acting unlike himself under the imperious curse, oh worry worry worry)


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Old May 17th, 2005, 5:46 pm
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I don't think that the book caused Percy to do anything. I think that it just probably fertilized some of the ideas that he had been mulling around for years. He definately has shown a desire for power and was looking for stories of how other Prefects made their dreams come true. Personal choice. Percy has made some bad ones.

What do you think Voldermort's confirmed return will do to Percy's ambition?


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Old June 14th, 2005, 8:11 am
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Not going to make any friends with this, but I suspect Percy will be killed in next book.

Hes lost too much face for his pride to handle, and will do something rash.

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Old June 14th, 2005, 9:59 am
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I think Percy will not be of course in his previous job. Fudge will leave or escap so may be Percy will return to his first job in the Cooperation department or he can face some punishments. I think Percy will apologize to his family. He must do that. We musn't forget that Percy is a Weasley. mrs Weasley brought him up with all his brothers. So had a kind heart but because he was looking forward a lot and also after what happened to his boos Crouch. He wanted to have a high post in the Ministry. When Fudge gave him this chance, he didn't care of his family and went on. i think when he knows his fault , he will regret.


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Old June 16th, 2005, 2:23 am
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Percy's new position?

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(Sirius) told them that the world wasn’t simply divided into good people and Death Eaters. There is no simple dichotomy between “good guys” and “bad guys.”
I think Sirius meant that there were not just two groups: Good guys and Deatheaters. I don't think he would have hesitated to label Umbridge and Fudge "Bad Guys". Their self-serving thinking was not just misguided, but destructive. Spreading false stories and quashing reports in the Daily Prophet was definitely wrong and caused real harm.

In the same way, Percy disagreeing with his parents can be an honest mistake. Refusing to acknowlege their presence, gifts etc. is downright nasty! He had spent time with Harry and had a clearer picture of Harry's character, yet he repeated the rumors in his owl to Ron in the OotP. Percy's not a deatheater, but he cannot be trusted since he values his own ambition over truth and relationships.

I believe that he will try to mend the relationship with his family but only his parents will accept him. What I'd love to see: Percy moved into his father's office as his subordinate!


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Old June 16th, 2005, 5:12 pm
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Not going to make any friends with this, but I suspect Percy will be killed in next book.

Hes lost too much face for his pride to handle, and will do something rash.

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I think you are on to something here. I think that Percy will make up with his family but will be killed. Maybe they won't let him in the Order.

OR... Maybe he will come back to his family but they won't let him in the order and he becomes bitter and turns to Voldemort. Wiser men than he have succumbed to Voldemort.


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Old June 16th, 2005, 8:19 pm
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We musn't forget that Percy is a Weasley. mrs Weasley brought him up with all his brothers. So had a kind heart
I think that sums Percy up very well. He's a Weasley ,and no matter what he says, still loves his family very much. His letter to Ron proves that, in my opinion.

I think it's interesting that the only real loose ends left untied at the end of OoTP are Harry's grief and Percy. Harry's grief will probably take on a much more prominent role, unless the two arer somehow intertwined,which is a definite possibility. Something similar happened in PoA when Pettigrew escaped.


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Percy is very loyal to whoever is employing him (not unlike houseelves). The question is- who will be his employer? the new minister of magic?


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Old June 17th, 2005, 2:51 am
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I think Sirius meant that there were not just two groups: Good guys and Deatheaters. I don't think he would have hesitated to label Umbridge and Fudge "Bad Guys". Their self-serving thinking was not just misguided, but destructive. Spreading false stories and quashing reports in the Daily Prophet was definitely wrong and caused real harm.
I agree. Sirius was saying that not everthing evil thing people do has to do with Voldemort. Percy would never have betrayed his family to the Death Eaters, but he betrayed for them the sake of his own ambition. Some of Voldermort's best are on the "good" side


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Old June 17th, 2005, 4:07 am
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I'd be cautious in assuming that just because Percy is from such a good family like the Weasleys that he could never become "bad". The books are full of examples of people on the bad side renouncing their families to join the other side (hello, Sirius Black?). Who is to say that the same thing could not happen in reverse, go from the good side to the bad?

I feel that anyone who would disown his family in the drastic way he did shows his potential to keep sliding in the direction of power over love. It definitely brings to mind LV, who chose power because he had never known love, and then there's Percy, who HAS known love, and still prefers power.

And even though Percy is from such a wonderful, loving family, he has shown disdain for them from the beginning, from the twins' troublemaking to Mr. Weasley's supposed lack of ambition. It's not a huge stretch for disdain to grow to dislike or worse. He's never been terribly close with any of the Weasleys that I've seen, I recall the scene in SS/PS at Christmas, when Percy had to be forced into his sweater that Mrs. Weasley had made for him, and the twins had to "frog-march" Percy to the dining hall to eat with them instead of with the prefects. I mean, it's Christmas, and he was going to eat at the prefect table? While that scene was pretty funny, it was certainly telling, in my opinion, that even in the first book there were suggestions that Percy would choose power over family if left to his own devices.

In flipping through SS/PS, I happened to notice that the very first thing we ever hear Percy say in the series is, "Can't stay long, Mother... I'm up front, the prefects have got 2 compartments to themselves-". More important to be with the prefects than say goodbye to his mom and baby sister?

That being said, I think he still cares for his family in his own Percy way, or at least some of them, as evidenced by the letter he sent to Ron. So I haven't quite decided what I think of Percy and what his future holds, but I thought I'd throw the ideas floating in my head out there.

Hmm, jsut reread this... wow, I'm long-winded!! Congrats to anyone who bothers to read this entire post :-)


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Old June 18th, 2005, 10:15 pm
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I’m thinking that Percy is in a bunch of trouble. I could see Fudge turning on him for Percy not telling Fudge that his family did know the truth…or if Fudge is ousted, Percy will be as tainted by his association with Fudge as he feared being by his family. And he will have lost his patron. Now, his father would likely forgive, and could likely use an assistant in his cramped office if Perkin’s lumbago gets worse, but here’s what I really think happens to Percy…

You see, it didn’t escape my attention that in OOP, Filch was really, really miserable when Umbridge was dismissed. Given how his dreams of using the whip and chains on recalcitrant students were within his grasp, and then ripped from him, likely forevermore, I’m thinking it’s obvious what happens (tongue in cheek).

Though many people think that he’s the one to use magic for the first time in his life, I’m thinking that Filch is getting up there. His dream has irrevocably been shattered. He has served Hogwart’s Academy a long time, and evidently spends little (re his moldy formalwear) of the doubtless generous salary that Dumbledore provides…so he has plenty socked away at Gringott’s. Especially for a man who spends little. So I’m thinking that, miserable and heartbroken, he decides to take retirement.

Thus leaving a position for Percy. I can see such a move appealing to Dumbledore for two reasons…and I’ve always enjoyed an elegant solution. Reason one (unless his actions in OOP were at Dumbledore’s direction) Percy really deserves a large slice of humble pie…and being caretaker could do that. As fussy as Percy is, he’d want to have everything spotless, and in a way be the perfect heir to Filch. Taking care of the Castle and hundreds of students might stretch some of that fussiness out of him…though he also, having magic, might succceed at many maintenance tasks that Filch wasn’t equal to. I could see many of the drafty portions of the castle, cracked windowpanes and such, suddenly becoming airtight with a simple “reparo”.

Reason two is, with the war about to break into the open, Dumbledore would have another layer of protection for Harry and the other students. Whatever his flaws, Percy is a powerful and proficient wizard. Reason three, of course, is that Dumbledore believes that everyone deserves a second chance. That would include a humongous pile of rat droppings like Percy.

I can even see Percy learning his lesson…and humility…and one day a long time from “now”, denied a career track at the Ministry, becoming a professor, and eventually even Headmaster. Modestly, of course…though I really have always thought that Hermione would do the job well…and Harry has suddenly demonstrated a talent for teaching.


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Old June 18th, 2005, 11:39 pm
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i think its a bit of a long shot, but interesting none the less, though id imagine percy might me too proud to take a position like that, i think hes more likely to stay at the ministry

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he also, having magic, might succceed at many maintenance tasks that Filch wasn’t equal to. I could see many of the drafty portions of the castle, cracked windowpanes and such, suddenly becoming airtight with a simple “reparo”.
this is a bit off topic, but it seems to me to make little sense to hire a squib in a postion that could be much better filled by a magical person.especially considering that filch seems to hate his job, why is he in this position? is he employed due to a wish of dumbledore to help someone who would have difficulties getting a job elsewhere in the magical world, or could he be there for his own protection? (as i would guess trelawney is)


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Being a Janitor would be perfect for Percy to humble him, but I don't think he will do it. I really do hope he finds it within himself to be able to seek forgiveness, especially from his father, who he didn't even go see when he seemded to be dying! I'd like to think there was a bit of brainwashing or something going on to keep Percy away, but I think Jo said he was acting on his own. And well..that was very low not to even go see his father.


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Old June 23rd, 2005, 8:41 pm
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Come on people! Sure he is shallow, pompous and highly superficial, but death eater? Anyone remember his girlfriend who was attacked by the Basilisk (Can we assume she is muggle born?). Anyone remember him bullying Ginny to take pepper potion because she was coming down with a cold? And most importantly, just a few chapters after Ron compared him to Barty Crouch in GoF, remember what Percy did when he saw his brother dragged out of the lake? Did he simper and preach? No, he ran splashing through water to his brother's side looking paler and younger than usual. That to me was a bigger testament to Percy than anything else. That his siblings dismiss him as simply ambitious and power hungry, but that he does care for his brother very much. That will be what turns Percy around in the end...


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It does take a large amount of emotional detachment to leave a family and not care about one's father who might have died.

If he doesnt die, he'll do something evil.

Personally, I hope she kills em off.

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Old June 23rd, 2005, 9:40 pm
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My friends and I were talking about the Percy problem. I think there may be a chance that he's working as a spy, but I believe his parents don't know about it and possibly Dumbledore doesn't know about it.

What we know about Percy
1. He's in Gryffindor: This means there has to be bravery in there somewhere
2. He's a stickler when it comes to rules
3. He's ambitiious
4. Possibly suffers from middle child syndrome: You have Bill, Charlie, as one one end... and the twins,Ron and Ginny on the other end. Bill and Charlie both have careers they enjoy doing. Fred and George are known throughout the school as practical jokers, but they proabably a bit more respected because they're also pretty good beaters. Ron gets noticed because he's around Harry, granted it's not all good, but he probably gets a bit more noticed then Percy. Percy lives in other people's shadows. When he got the job at the Ministry he could have just decided to spy on Fudge.

Percy never does anything half way. The only reason I think this is because there was a book I was reading that presented almost an identical situation that Percy made for himself the only different being that it was set against WWII.


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Passing along what I heard. Hoping it would make some difference. Maybe stop the worst from coming to Austria. Then it happened so fast… I made no difference at all. It happened I couldn’t do anything to stop it. I gave up my life. My family. And in the end it made no difference. (Thoene, 351). Emphasis added

What if Percy is being stupid by trying to do something like this by himself to prove himself to his parents, his brother's and sisters, and Dumbledore. Just a thought


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Old June 24th, 2005, 5:39 am
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Of Percy, the fact that he is a Griffindor is enough of a challenge. I do not see where that brave heart shows. He's more ambitious than brave. But ambition alone does not a Slytherin make.

OK -- so he acknowledges that he's been a jerk and apologizes to his parents and decides to help the Order. Hmmm. Maybe a little brave.

I don't know. I think the Twins have Percy figured out better than anyone can.
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Old June 24th, 2005, 5:55 am
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I don't think it's coinsidence that we never hear the ACTUAL argument. What we hear is second hand and the argument is interpreted by the twins as Percy is being a git. The letter that Ron get's can also be interpreted that Percy is a git, but if you read between the lines there is a chance that it is in a round about way telling Ron to watch his step and not to get on the wrong side of Umbridge if he knew what was good for him.

I mean JKR has said he's acting on his own...that's left open to interpretation. It doesn't nessesarily mean he's being a git for the sake of being one. It is not out of the realm of possibility that he's spying on the MoM on his own, so that he can once and for all prove himself. (Personally I think Percy has self esteem issues).


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Old June 24th, 2005, 6:35 pm
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Spying on the MoM for Dumbledore is possible although unlikely.

Do you think Dumbledore would conciously bring the Weasley's family, especially Molly, through such an ordeal, for the sake of any information? If anything, I got the impression that DD was completely dismisive towards the MoM so doesnt seem logical for him to care much about what the bumbling ministry was up to secretly. He probably could guess on his own. Notice how quickly he pointed out that the Dementors were most likely ordered to Harry's house by an official.

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