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I did 6 years of Latin at school and enjoyed it so much I nearly did it at university. Sadly, I've forgotten a lot of it now, but it's helped me so much, not just with learning foreign languages (although it probably did), but with vocabulary, spelling, grammar and style in English (my native language). For example, I never misspell "desperate" as "desparate", because I remember it comes from "spes" (=hope).

P.S. I had the Cambridge orange and green books when I was learning Latin (Caecilius est pater, Metella est mater etc), and I did Aeneid IV, Ovid's Metamorphoses, and something unbelievably dull by Cicero for 'A' level.



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Old April 5th, 2009, 11:58 pm
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P.S. I had the Cambridge orange and green books when I was learning Latin (Caecilius est pater, Metella est mater etc), and I did Aeneid IV, Ovid's Metamorphoses, and something unbelievably dull by Cicero for 'A' level.
I have the Cambridge book! There are some rather interesting stories in there.


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I love this thread! As for cooking Roman food, how could you ever want to eat garum? I don't eat any Asian food that uses fish sauce. I think that one condiment was what kept Roman cooking from taking over the world.

As for reading the ancient Romans... I just love the idea that the voice of someone who died over 2000 years ago is heard in my head and through him I see how people thought and how they lived then. The Commentaries on the Gallic Wars was brilliant. Caesar could get his ideas across very succintly. He was really good. I learned so much by reading him.

I also have read Plutarch, Livy, Cicero, and letters by various other Romans. It's all fascinating to me. I wish that the History of Rome didn't have so much missing from it.

I pronounce Latin in the restored manner much to the dismay of those who think 'c' is soft and 'ae' sounds like ee. There were no G's and no J's and yes, I do say, W for V the Veni, Vidi, Vici (weekee). I read aloud to elderly people and there are some who like these mysteries set in ancient Rome. They freak out the first time they hear me say, Oolioos KYser. I just tell them I pronounce Latin as it was spoken, not as the Catholic Church pronounces it. Most of them become interested in this immediately.


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Old April 6th, 2009, 1:10 am
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I have the Cambridge book! There are some rather interesting stories in there.
I always got mixed up with who was who....


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Old April 6th, 2009, 2:34 pm
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I always got mixed up with who was who....
It's simple - Caecilius est pater, Metella est mater, Quintus est filius, Cerberus est canis, Grumio est coquus, Clemens est servus et Melissa est ancilla!

Did anyone else find it really cheesy after the eruption of Pompeii when Quintus suddenly had a personality morph into this James Bond-like character?



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It's simple - Caecilius est pater, Metella est mater, Quintus est filius, Cerberus est canis, Grumio est coquus, Clemens est servus et Melissa est ancilla!

Did anyone else find it really cheesy after the eruption of Pompeii when Quintus suddenly had a personality morph into this James Bond-like character?
I think those were the books we used in high school. In college, I used Wheelock's Latin, which is pretty good.

My Latin teacher in high school was always really cheesy, but unfortunately, due to budget cuts, my old high school no longer offers Latin.


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RE the chariot races. We used to have quidditch games on these forums. I was a beater. We had teams and we would all get on line at a certain time and start posting. Those were the days! OK back on topic.

I find it interesting that I can read Latin as well as I do because I am self-taught. The declensions are awful but then I took German in college.


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RE the chariot races. We used to have quidditch games on these forums. I was a beater. We had teams and we would all get on line at a certain time and start posting. Those were the days! OK back on topic.

I find it interesting that I can read Latin as well as I do because I am self-taught. The declensions are awful but then I took German in college.
The declensions aren't that bad. They can be hard to understand at first, but I took Latin for four years, and it wasn't really the hardest part at all.


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um its definitly already died out...no one has spoken it in like a thousand years at least.


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um its definitly already died out...no one has spoken it in like a thousand years at least.
No reason to not learn it though, since it's the root of so many languages


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Does anyone know how "Alacer" would be pronounced in Latin?


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I don't think it's died out, per se, but evolved or changed. I believe that Greece still speaks a derivative of latin, much the same way the USA and Brasil speak derivatives of their "old languages." Also, all the romance languages are latin based. I can read and understand latin (for the most part) because I speak portuguese, spanish, and limited french besides english. I see the words and recognize and make connections to other languages. The sentences make sense to me...

Oh, and DarkLord7, I'm not positive how it is in latin, but I imagine that the accent would be on the last syllable since it ends with an "r". I'd guess it as al-ah-SER for the pronunciation. There's a few rules to speaking some latin-based languages that place accents on the second to last syllable with two exceptions: (1) an accent is indicated with a tilde or a hyphen or (2) it ends with the letters i, l, r, u or z. But again, I'm not certain...


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Does anyone know how "Alacer" would be pronounced in Latin?
I would say "alack air", based on what I was taught at school, but I'm not a very trustworthy authority. Anyway, I think there are different schools of thought about how Latin should be pronounced.

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I am here! I'd say, Mel, that you are absolutely right about this. The classical pronunciation (the way it was probably pronounced in antiquity) is alack-air, and I'd stress it on the second syllable.

The vowels are always supposed to be clear vowels (as they would be in Italian: a = 'ah', e=e as in 'Ellie', i=ee, o=o as in 'got', u=oo)

so the tricky bit is the 'c'.
  • Classical Latin: always k. --> alack-air
  • Church Latin/Music/Italian Latin: k before a/o/u, 'ch' as in 'chips' before e and i. --> allah-chair
  • English Public school Latin: k before a/o/u, 's' before e and i. (and that accent also does funny things with the vowels, so the word might become ah-lace-er (???))
  • Erasmus pronunciation: k before a/o/u, ts before e and i (you won't usually hear this in the Engish-speaking world). --> ah-lah-tsair

I'd go for the classical option every time....


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hmmm, I musta learned the "English Public School Latin" latin...


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Oddly enough, I learnt Classical Latin, despite going to an English public school!


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Old October 21st, 2009, 12:26 am
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LOL. I bet my terminology isn't quite right.....

But I have hardly ever heard the 'public school' version, and it was usually when people who were at Eton and places like that were using it. I have no idea what the American tradition is. Incidentally, I think that there is some method to the vowel madness: I think the vowels that get twisted are also the long ones, which helps with scanning verse. But I am not sure whether this is consistent.

I think these days most schools in the Uk which do classics at all will employ people with a classics degree, and most of those will want to use classical Latin. I would assume that most Latin books will also suggest that version.

I learned Latin in Erasmus pronunciation, which is still quite common in the German speaking countries, and I find that the first sound you learned for Latin never quite goes away: it will always sound like that in my head, even if I can happily switch between classical and a sort of moderate English (minus the weird vowels) when I pronounce it.


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What kind do they use in choral music, because I'm pretty sure I've been told to pronounce "c" as "ts" when I've been in choirs?

"C" is pronounced "ts" in Polish, too, which could explain why Erasmus Latin has remained popular in Central Europe??


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Well, I was told that "Alacer" means quick, or fast.
Can anyone confirm that, since you obviously know more Latin than me?


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Here's where I go for my spells and such.
http://www.freedict.com/onldict/lat.html

What I can see after typing both "quick" and "fast" (and unclicking the "exact" box), is you might have meant aceler rather than alacer... but again, I'm not sure either...

Anyway, I never took a latin class in school, but I studied french for three years in high school only to travel to Brasil for two years. I now speak portuguese fluently, spanish conversationally, and french limitedly (I know it's not a word, but it sounded good). All of my primary languages are latin based. So I glean from them. I would pronounce latin as if I were speaking one of my latin languages. For instance, it was mentioned above already, but I'd pronounce the "c" as an "s" when followed by the i/e and a "k" when followed by an a/o/u. I'd do the same with the g's as well... but that's me... And I'm not even catholic! (Not that there's anything wrong with that )


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