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Old December 19th, 2007, 8:08 am
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This is the thread to ask all questions you might have about German. I'm sure our German members will be glad to explain the differences between 'Morgen' and 'Moin', the latest updates of the Rechtschreibreform or just get lost with you in one of the fascinating (and often enough rather scaring) grammar rules and overuse of German subjunctive...


Wenn ich wollte, wie ich könnte, wisst ihr, was ich täte
Alle Freunde, die ich hab, lüd ich zu mir ein, äß mit ihnen Knabberkram, tränk mit ihnen Wein,
läs ihnen Geschichten vor, oder heißt es läse, säß mit ihnen vor dem Tisch, bei Rotwein, Brot und Käse.
Gegen Abend würd es doll, wir stünden oder lägen, schlügen uns die Bäuche voll, und stopften uns die Mägen.
Später hingen wir dann rum, oder heißt es hüngen, meine Freundin bät ich drum, mir das Hirn zu düngen.

Recht und Wahrheit böge ich, ohne dass ich löge, auf dass mich der liebe Gott wohl beschützen möge.
All dazu hätt ich größte Lust, der Champagner flösse, ohne Rücksicht auf Verlust, wie ich das genösse.

Ich denk, ihr wisst, um wen es geht, und jeder der ihn liebt, der ist froh, der ist froh, froh, dass es ihn gibt.

Gelobt sei der Konjunktiv! Ich frag mich, was wohl würde,
wenn dieser schöne Konjunktiv morgen plötzlich stürbe.
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Old December 19th, 2007, 4:07 pm
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Re: German / Deutsch

I have a question. I am a German minor in college right now but I have only just finished German 1A (intro course). I was wondering, is it really that common for Germans to use the Akkusativ and the Dativ forms? I'm just wondering because they always confuse me with the article changes.


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Old December 19th, 2007, 4:20 pm
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Re: German / Deutsch

Out of the blue I would say it is common to use them while the Genitiv is not used so often (but grammatically correct). Do you have any examples?

The article changes are used by Germans, but I'm not to sure if all know everytime what they use. Its more realizing that it sounds wrong otherwise for many of us I guess.


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Re: German / Deutsch

How do you make a sentence negative. Like instead of saying "Indy und Remy sind lahm" how would you say they are not lame.


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Old December 19th, 2007, 5:51 pm
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Re: German / Deutsch

You set in 'nicht' (not) or 'kein' (basically 'none', but its more difficult because it has to get declined and sometimes gets a slightly different meaning).

Indy und Remy sind nicht lahm.
Or: Bosch meint Indy und Remy rocken. (Indy and Remy rock).


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So it goes after the verb? That's weird. You guys should make German more like English


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Old December 19th, 2007, 6:06 pm
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Re: German / Deutsch

We just do that to confuse you! (Or me when I try to figure out how it's different in English...)


Er / sie / es ist ... He / she / it is ...
Sie sind ... They are ...

Er / sie / es ist nicht ... He / she / it is not ...
Sie sind nicht ... They are not ...


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Re: German / Deutsch

How about useful phrases like:

"I love you"

"Where's the bathroom"

"Dogs are clearly better than cats"

Thanks to certain song lyrics and my high school german I can say "You hate me". But I hope never to have to use that


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How about useful phrases like:

"I love you"

"Where's the bathroom"

"Dogs are clearly better than cats"

Thanks to certain song lyrics and my high school german I can say "You hate me". But I hope never to have to use that
Aha, Rammstein.


In order:

Ich liebe Dich.

Wo ist die Toilette / das WC?

Hunde sind eindeutig besser als Katzen.


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Old December 19th, 2007, 6:17 pm
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Re: German / Deutsch

I took two semesters of German in college. I noticed that the way the teacher pronounced certain words, "ich" comes to mind, for example, was different than the way my friend who studied in Germany pronounced it. Is there a big difference in regional dialects?

By the way, Jessica, if you think the German language is weird when it comes to verbs, you should see what Latin does to them.


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Old December 19th, 2007, 6:33 pm
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There is actually a rather huge amount of different dialects and its possible that people from different parts of the country don't understand each other. For instance I (coming from Northern Germany) usually understand Bavarian (its in the South) if used in TV or music, but I think I would be lost in a Bavarian village where people add local phrases to the already not so easy to understand dialect. People say the best Deutsch (or Hochdeutsch) is spoken in Niedersachsen, around Hannover.

'Ich' is very similar in most dialects as far as I know but in East Westphalia for instance (I think... ) people pronounce the 'i' (e) a bit higher than we do in the North. Its more like an 'eeks' i than an 'eggs' i. *thinks she has the best pronounciation examples*

In Northern Germany you still will find people speaking 'Lower German' (Niederdeutsch) at home. It counts as own language and is quite close to what people in the middleages spoke (again certain differences depending on where of Northern Germany you come from). In Lower German 'ich' is 'ikk' (with a rather low 'e' again).


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Isn't there a language called Plattdeutsch too?


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Old December 19th, 2007, 7:10 pm
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Yes, Plattdeutsch is Niederdeutsch. Just that Niederdeutsch is the 'hochdeutsche' term and Plattdeutsch comes from the lower German 'platt dütsch' itself. We say 'vi snackt platt' here. Ways to write Niederdeutsch differ even more than the ways to speak it...


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In Northern Germany you still will find people speaking 'Lower German' (Niederdeutsch) at home. It counts as own language and is quite close to what people in the middleages spoke (again certain differences depending on where of Northern Germany you come from). In Lower German 'ich' is 'ikk' (with a rather low 'e' again).
That was the way my teacher taught us to say "ich". She was from Germany and had come to the U.S. after the war. My friend said it more like "ish".

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Yes, Plattdeutsch is Niederdeutsch.
Why didn't I guess that?


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Old December 19th, 2007, 7:32 pm
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Moin Moin!

I am so glad that this thread is back and I can ask Grammar questions again.
Now I wonder what we speak here. What kind of dialect is Kölsch? *searchs*
Edit: Ripuarisch...


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That was the way my teacher taught us to say "ich". She was from Germany and had come to the U.S. after the war. My friend said it more like "ish".
Now I'm wondering if this maybe is more because she was used to after living in the US for so long already than due to having learned it like this in Germany. I've heard Germans immigrated to the US taking with this kind of accent sometimes. Could also be the reason.

Yep, usually the 'ch' is a noise you hardly find in English language.


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How do you say "gertie needs to go to bed so she can feel better tomorrow"?


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Gertie muss ins (in das) Bett gehen, damit sie sich morgen besser fühlt (,damit es ihr morgen besser geht).


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