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Old May 20th, 2008, 7:30 pm
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Helo, oes yna unrhywun ar lein rwan sy'n siarad Cymraeg? Sut wyt ti?

If you don't speak Welsh, I just said Hello, is there anyone online that speaks Welsh? How are you?

Here are a few Welsh basics that might help you if you are completely and utterly lost:
Helo = Hello
Pryd yw dy penblwydd di? = When is your birthday?
Sut wyt ti? = How are you?
Faint oed wyt ti? = How old are you?
Lle wyt ti'n byw? = Where do you live?

The language is, of course, more complicated than that, especially if you're learning it, but I hope I've helped some people in some way.


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Old May 20th, 2008, 7:41 pm
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i'm welsh and lived here all my life. But i don't know how to speak it


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Old May 20th, 2008, 7:54 pm
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Helo, oes yna unrhywun ar lein rwan sy'n siarad Cymraeg? Sut wyt ti?

Dwi'n siarad Cymraeg, neis i gwrdd a ti! Dwi'n iawn diolch, sut wyt ti? O ble yng Nghymru wyt ti'n dod?


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Dwi'n siarad Cymraeg, neis i gwrdd a ti! Dwi'n iawn diolch, sut wyt ti? O ble yng Nghymru wyt ti'n dod?
Helo! Mae'r TPP a fi yn byw yn Ngogledd Nghymru, felly rydan ni'n gogs! Ond rwy'n Saesneg go iawn!!! Ond pan rydw i ar fy ngwyliau yn Lloegr, rwy'n troi yn Cymraes balch!!!!!! Beth yw Cymraeg am "lol"? Chwerthin allan yn swnllyd - CAS!!!!

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Old June 28th, 2008, 6:22 pm
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I'm writing a series that takes place in Wales, so naturally, I'm very interested in learning Welsh (a lot of the characters speak fluent Welsh). I've heard it spoken, and I find it beautiful. The only thing that has given me a hard time in learning so far, is the double L's. I can't for the life of me try to figure out how to say them or how they should sound!!

I've tried listening to a few people... like recordings on the net. They seem to sound kind of like a mix between an 'h' sound, 'sh' sound, 'th' sound... and something else. Every time I think I have it I realise it's a little too this or that, and it's driving me insane!!
Other than that, I love this language.

But what does a 'll' sound like? Do I just have to find someone I know who speaks welsh? Because that might be hard since I live in Canada. Maybe I should go get some learning CD's or something...


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Old June 28th, 2008, 7:12 pm
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Yeah, I love listening to Welsh. My tongue is too dementedly English speaking to learn it though


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Old July 15th, 2008, 7:18 pm
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Shwmae! Sut dych'chi? CharityBurbage Dw'i. Dwi'n byw yn Ontario.


Okay... I have NO idea if that made any sense!! I tried to make up sentences by myself so please tell me if (how) I'm wrong! Thanks. Diolch.


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Old August 28th, 2008, 11:32 am
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But what does a 'll' sound like? Do I just have to find someone I know who speaks welsh? Because that might be hard since I live in Canada. Maybe I should go get some learning CD's or something...
To pronounce the "Ll" sound you place the tip of your tongue up to the roof of your mouth and make a sort of hissing sound through the open sides of your tongue...it sounds a bit odd, but it's the only way of explaining it


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Old September 21st, 2008, 4:15 pm
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To pronounce the "Ll" sound you place the tip of your tongue up to the roof of your mouth and make a sort of hissing sound through the open sides of your tongue...it sounds a bit odd, but it's the only way of explaining it
Yes, that┤s pretty much how the mother of my Liverpool landlord (she is a native Welsh speaker from Snowdonia) explained it to me as well. The result sounds like a mixture of a sharp "th" (as in "maths", NOT as in "the") and a "l" at the same time. Her husband is English and speaks fluent Welsh, but this is one sound even he doesn┤t get perfectly straight, his pronunciation sounds more like "th-l" than like that mixture.

Oh yeah, and you pronounce each of the vowels in Welsh "as is", no fusions like in English. It┤s a bit like Spanish in that regard, except for the "u" you have to pronounce like "ee".

Example: Dolgellau = DolgeTHLaee

Being the crazy language nerd I am, I just had to try the "ll" sound out as well... and after some practice I did get it right, however only when I pronounce that sound on its own - almost never in a word/phrase.

One Welsh place name I┤m finding really hard to pronounce: Machynthlleth. You have to switch around from ch (which sounds much like the German "ch") to th to THL to th... arrgh, this keeps getting my tongue into a knot.


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Oh, I think Welsh is a beautiful language! It would be fun to learn it, I think, but I would have to learn it from a person I could talk to, not from a web course or something like that... But, is the grammar and the pronouncing difficult?


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Old September 30th, 2008, 5:19 pm
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Yes, that┤s pretty much how the mother of my Liverpool landlord (she is a native Welsh speaker from Snowdonia) explained it to me as well. The result sounds like a mixture of a sharp "th" (as in "maths", NOT as in "the") and a "l" at the same time. Her husband is English and speaks fluent Welsh, but this is one sound even he doesn┤t get perfectly straight, his pronunciation sounds more like "th-l" than like that mixture.

Oh yeah, and you pronounce each of the vowels in Welsh "as is", no fusions like in English. It┤s a bit like Spanish in that regard, except for the "u" you have to pronounce like "ee".

Example: Dolgellau = DolgeTHLaee

Being the crazy language nerd I am, I just had to try the "ll" sound out as well... and after some practice I did get it right, however only when I pronounce that sound on its own - almost never in a word/phrase.

One Welsh place name I┤m finding really hard to pronounce: Machynthlleth. You have to switch around from ch (which sounds much like the German "ch") to th to THL to th... arrgh, this keeps getting my tongue into a knot.
Don't worry...I can't pronounce it properly either, and I've been there

When I try and pronounce it it sound rude lol


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Old October 28th, 2008, 11:55 pm
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Bore da, all! Dw i Marina--and that's all I know of the Welsh language for now...but I'm interested in learning the language (perhaps because of my Welsh ancestry).


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Helo, oes yna unrhywun ar lein rwan sy'n siarad Cymraeg? Sut wyt ti?

If you don't speak Welsh, I just said Hello, is there anyone online that speaks Welsh? How are you?

Here are a few Welsh basics that might help you if you are completely and utterly lost:
Helo = Hello
Pryd yw dy penblwydd di? = When is your birthday?
Sut wyt ti? = How are you?
Faint oed wyt ti? = How old are you?
Lle wyt ti'n byw? = Where do you live?

The language is, of course, more complicated than that, especially if you're learning it, but I hope I've helped some people in some way.
No, I can't speek welsh but it looks intresting!


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Old November 1st, 2008, 4:13 am
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Shwmae! Sut dych'chi? CharityBurbage Dw'i. Dwi'n byw yn Ontario.


Okay... I have NO idea if that made any sense!! I tried to make up sentences by myself so please tell me if (how) I'm wrong! Thanks. Diolch.
I guess no-one has answered this ... but to me this looks perfectly Welsh. That's about as much as I learned, unfortunately....

Dwi'n byw yn Abertawe.


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You all have to look at this!!!!!



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Old November 4th, 2008, 5:55 pm
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I saw that article the other day, hilarious!!


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I saw that on the news, and in the Daily Post. I showed it to someone who I work with, but then realised they couldn't speak Welsh

It might be because I know what it says, but surely you'd have run it passed a Welsh speaker...maybe I'm just too sensible...


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I saw that on the news, and in the Daily Post. I showed it to someone who I work with, but then realised they couldn't speak Welsh

It might be because I know what it says, but surely you'd have run it passed a Welsh speaker...maybe I'm just too sensible...
LOL.... but that's just it!! They WERE running it past a Welsh speaker, and that went badly wrong.

Obviously, they sent an e-mail with the English text to the Welsh translation unit, but unfortunately, the person was oput of office and (frankly stupidly, seeing that they'd obviously get e-mails from Eglish speakers who don't know Welsh) only had an 'out of office' message in Welsh.

The Englosh speaking person in the signage department (also rather stupidly) somehow thought that the text they received WAS the translation (do translations really come without any commentary in English, as in, 'Dear Jane, here is the translation, yours, Huw'?!).

Anyway - one can't say that they didn't try!

... or that's how I see it.




I have seen similar miscommunication issues with the Welsh translation unit at Swansea University, but usually there are a few minimum checks to ensure that things are correct. And the Welsh language unit does actually consent to communicating in English when they talk to people who need translations (doh!).


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Other confusing signs:

- In 2006, a shared-faith school in Wrexham removed a sign which translated the Welsh for staff as "wooden stave".


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Old November 28th, 2008, 2:06 pm
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Hehe, I liked that one too


Around here we don't tend to get a lot of mistakes with the Welsh signs. I don't know why that is though


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Old December 8th, 2008, 10:56 am
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Hehe, I liked that one too


Around here we don't tend to get a lot of mistakes with the Welsh signs. I don't know why that is though


Well, I'd say it's pretty obvious.

In areas where there aren't actually that many Welsh speakers - Swansea and Cardiff come to mind, for example, it's almost inevitable.

Yes, people in public jobs are supposed to speak it, but that's pretty basic, and not a level where you can produce texts without error. And from what my Welsh colleague (who writes his academic books in Welsh and was for a while a member of the assembly's Welsh language board) tells me, we get plenty of bilingual Welsh speakers who are perfectly fluent, but also aren't all that good at producing good written Welsh, either. Which isn't surprising, because there are plenty of English speakers who couldn't produce a lot of correct English, either - especially if it's something official.

In addition to that, if our Welsh translation unit is anything to go by, individuals in such departments can be quite unhelpful because they seem to be concerned with grinding axes rather than making sure that the language is actually used correctly. That apparent example of someone whose job it is to communicate with non-Welsh speakers not having the 'out of office' automated e-mail message in BOTH languages says it all, IMHO.

I like Welsh as a language. But as a foreigner (from the Continent) who has been living in Wales for some years now I still don't like the politics of Welsh.


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