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Old March 3rd, 2006, 12:38 am
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I wonder why Quirrel is Raptor.

Is Madam Pomfrey, "Signora Chips"?


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Old March 3rd, 2006, 7:13 am
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Is Madam Pomfrey, "Signora Chips"?
She is Madama Chips


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Old March 3rd, 2006, 5:12 pm
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I wonder why Quirrel is Raptor.
Good question ...
In HP6, Horace Slughorn became Horace Lumacorno...quite horrible...I don't like traslated names...


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Old March 3rd, 2006, 10:28 pm
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What does "Lumacorno" mean? "Slughorn"? What percentage of Italians do you think speak English?


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Old March 4th, 2006, 1:49 pm
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What does "Lumacorno" mean? "Slughorn"? What percentage of Italians do you think speak English?
Lumacorno means Slughorn...but Slughorn has a better sound!
I don't know how many Italians speak English...we start studying it when we are seven or eight years old...but not everyone learns it very well!


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Old March 5th, 2006, 8:19 pm
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LOL, so English is required? It's funny, because English class is completely different here. Until highschool you learn grammar and all that terrible stuff, but once you hit highschool it's awesome: No more grammar (for me) and it's mainly just reading classical English literature.


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Old March 5th, 2006, 8:34 pm
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LOL, so English is required?.
Well...yes, it is! We must study English because it is the most spoken language in the world and it's important to learn it!
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It's funny, because English class is completely different here. Until highschool you learn grammar and all that terrible stuff, but once you hit highschool it's awesome: No more grammar (for me) and it's mainly just reading classical English literature.
It is the same here, but for Italian language! However, even English grammar isn't studied during the last years of school!


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Old March 5th, 2006, 9:00 pm
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Re: So you want to speak Italian

I have a question:

Can you say (this is a random sentence), "Voglio vedere tu" as "I want to see you" or do you say, "Voglio vedi"? Also, when do you use "tu" and when do you use "te"?


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Old March 6th, 2006, 3:44 pm
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"I want to see you"= "Voglio vedere te" or "Ti voglio vedere" or "Voglio vederti"
"You" is traslated "tu" when it is a subject, and "te" or "ti" when it is an object!
Same thing for:
"I"= "io" (subject), "me" or "mi" (object)
"He"= "Egli"(subject), "lui" or "lo" (object)
"She"= "Ella"(subject), "lei" or "la" (object)
"They"= "Essi" (subject), "loro" or "li" (object)

Quite different for:
"We"= "Noi" (we use it both as subject and object), "ci" (only object)
"You"= "Voi" (Both subject and object), "vi" (only object)


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Old March 6th, 2006, 10:57 pm
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CONFUSING! Agh!

I understand things likes, "Vi piace" and "Gli piace," etc., but how do you tell when it's a subject or object so quickly? How can someone speak Italian and just KNOW to use "you" as a subj/obj?


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Old March 7th, 2006, 8:11 am
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Sorry, I forgot that Italian grammar isn't so easy ^^!!
What do you want to know is a basic rule, one of those things that we learn when we start school...the rule is: a word is subject when it does the action of the verb and it is object when it undergoes the action.

For example:

You want to see me = Tu vuoi vedere me=> You/Tu is subject because it's "you" that "want to see"

I want to see you = Io voglio vedere te=> You/te is object because it isn't "you" that "want to see", but it's "I/io" (that, in this case, is the subject!)

I hope this is quite clear: It's not too easy try to explain Italian grammar in another language ^^!!


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Old March 7th, 2006, 9:57 am
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Re: So you want to speak Italian

hi!
i'm another italian!
cooool a whole tread on the italian language...ohhhhhhhh


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Old March 7th, 2006, 11:32 pm
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Re: So you want to speak Italian

Benvenuto, Bradipo!

Idril: Thanks for the help, I definitely understand better now.

I'll test myself:

"You are going to go to the movies on Friday night"
Vai [andare<?>] al cinema in venerdi stasera.

"I am going to see you at the movies on Friday night."
Vado vedere te al cinema in venerdi stasera.

Also, how do you say "what are?"

I know you can say "quale" (I think), but can you also say "che cosa" or "cosa sono?"

Anche, Idril, you have really well-developed English grammar. Can you speak fluently?


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Old March 8th, 2006, 2:32 pm
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hi!
i'm another italian!
cooool a whole tread on the italian language...ohhhhhhhh
Welcome!!! Finalmente un connazionale !!

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Idril: Thanks for the help, I definitely understand better now.

I'll test myself:

"You are going to go to the movies on Friday night"
Vai [andare<?>] al cinema in venerdi stasera.

"I am going to see you at the movies on Friday night."
Vado vedere te al cinema in venerdi stasera.
The first tense is quite correct. There is only a mistake: "on Friday night" is "venerdì sera", without "in"!
I didn't understand the second tense: is something like "I'm going to the cinema with you"? In this case we traslate it with: "Vado al cinema con te".

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Also, how do you say "what are?"

I know you can say "quale" (I think), but can you also say "che cosa" or "cosa sono?"
Yes, I can!
For example:
What are you doing? = Che cosa stai facendo?
What are those things? = Cosa sono quelle cose?
What is you favourite colour? = Qual è il tuo colore preferito?
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Anche, Idril, you have really well-developed English grammar. Can you speak fluently?
Thank you very much ! I can speak quite fluently: I love English and I have a really good teacher!



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Old March 8th, 2006, 10:01 pm
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Welcome!!! Finalmente un connazionale !!



The first tense is quite correct. There is only a mistake: "on Friday night" is "venerdì sera", without "in"!
I didn't understand the second tense: is something like "I'm going to the cinema with you"? In this case we traslate it with: "Vado al cinema con te".
I always confuse "stasera" with "sera," but thanks for the corrections.
So, "Vado andare al cinema venerdì sera" is correct? That is, "I am going to go to the movies on Friday night."

Also, the second sentence is, "I am going to see you at the movie theater on Friday night." Which I thought would become, "Vado (I am going) vedere (to see) te (you) al cinema (at the movie theater) venerdì sera. (on Friday night.)"


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I always confuse "stasera" with "sera," but thanks for the corrections.
Remember that 'stasera' is short for 'questa sera' which means either this evening or tonight. (particular)
Sera on its own just means evening (general)
Not to be confused with serra which means either a greenhouse or a hothouse (if there is indeed a difference between the two)


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Old March 10th, 2006, 5:24 am
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Thanks, YellowRose!

Also, does anyone know why you must say "il mio / la mia" (except with close relations)? What's the point of "il / la"?

Il mio amico è simpatico.
"The my friend is nice."

It doesn't perturb me, I just wondered.


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Old March 10th, 2006, 2:53 pm
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I always confuse "stasera" with "sera," but thanks for the corrections.
So, "Vado andare al cinema venerdì sera" is correct? That is, "I am going to go to the movies on Friday night."

Also, the second sentence is, "I am going to see you at the movie theater on Friday night." Which I thought would become, "Vado (I am going) vedere (to see) te (you) al cinema (at the movie theater) venerdì sera. (on Friday night.)"
We cannot say "Vado andare". If you want to say " I'm going to cinema (In this moment)", wuo must say: "Sto andando al cinema"

The second tense is quite correct, but you cannot say "Vado vedere": between "vado" and "vedere", it must be "a" or "per" = "Vado a vedere te", "Vado per vedere te"


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Thanks, YellowRose!

Also, does anyone know why you must say "il mio / la mia" (except with close relations)? What's the point of "il / la"?

Il mio amico è simpatico.
"The my friend is nice."

It doesn't perturb me, I just wondered.
This is just a rule of Italian grammar: we use the articles before possessive adjectives.


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Old March 10th, 2006, 11:11 pm
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Why can't you say "Vado al cinema"?


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Old March 11th, 2006, 1:17 pm
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You can say "Vado al cinema"; but you cannot say "Vado andare al cinema" because it hasn't sense!


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