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Old July 23rd, 2003, 7:35 pm
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Its no point even to speculate. It is JK that decide the rules, so we cannot use our logic to figure this out. It could be that the thestrals have skin that absorbs the light that hits it, and emmits an elecromagical field, and upon hitting the souldust left by the soul of the dying person, is broken into elecromagnetic radiation which hit the cones and rods. Simple as that.


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Old July 23rd, 2003, 8:24 pm
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I agree thats its really impossable to even begin to try to guess.


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Old July 23rd, 2003, 8:42 pm
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"I agree thats its really impossable to even begin to try to guess"

Heh, the mere thought about beginning to try to guess hadn't even begun to speculate about the merest possibility of crossing my mind


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Old July 23rd, 2003, 8:57 pm
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I think maybe it will come up later in the books sometime but redcape is right...there are many speculations on death throughout the book! It seems there are many speculations on death throughout all 5 books!


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Old July 23rd, 2003, 9:03 pm
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Yeah, I suppose. I mean, even if we could figure something out logically, JKR would probably go and contradict us anyway!


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Old July 23rd, 2003, 10:13 pm
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Anyone know anything about the name origin?
My best guess is that it is from this obsolete term "thester". Here's the entry from the OED:
thester, n.
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[OE. √_estru, √©ostru, fem. (orig. of the -√ģ decl.) = OS. thiustr√ģ; also OE. √_estre, √©ostre, pl. -ru, neut.; f. THESTER a.]

Darkness. lit. and fig.

There is also an adjectival form meaning dark, and a verbal form meaning to make dark.


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Old July 23rd, 2003, 10:32 pm
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I think there must be a lot off stuff about James & Lily's death we don't know about. However, perhaps Harry did not see their deaths, and when Cedric died was when he could see the Thestrals.


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Old July 23rd, 2003, 10:34 pm
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Simplest explanation is that Harry was looking in another direction when his mother died.


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Old July 24th, 2003, 10:56 am
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Getting back to who the Slytherin boy who could see the thestrals was... Does anyone know who this is?

Could it have been Nott? Malfoy, Crabbe and Goyle begin hanging out with a Slytherin named Nott after Harry exposes their fathers. Do the descriptions match? I think it says that Nott was younger, though.


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Old July 24th, 2003, 11:04 am
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JKR said you have to be aware of the death, and baby Harry wasn't old enough to understand what had happened. Looking back, he can put it together, but at the time he didn't know about anything except for the green light.

The Thestrals are magic, and that's why only people who have seen death can see them.

There are probably a lot more "secrets" about Hogwarts and the wizarding world that Harry will discover in the last two books. But I hope we see more of the Thestrals.


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Old July 24th, 2003, 11:12 am
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At the end of Book 4, they did use the horseless carriages. Rowling didn't mention the thestrals, but I suppose Harry might not have been looking too carefully at the what was pulling the carriages...


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Old July 24th, 2003, 11:16 am
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Harry not seeing the thestrals at the end of GoF was a goof by JKR. She explained it away by saying the death had to "sink in".


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Old July 24th, 2003, 1:02 pm
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After the lesson with the thestrals in Hagrids class, Hermione said there were three people that could see them. I know Harry and Neville can see them, who was the third? Was that Hagrid or someone else I missed?
It was, significantly I think, a boy from Slytherin.


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Old July 24th, 2003, 1:11 pm
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Yes, it was a "stringy Slytherin boy."


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Old July 24th, 2003, 1:17 pm
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Yeah, and he was looking at the thestrals with a look of disgust, I think. I wonder if that's going to have importance in the future?


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Old July 24th, 2003, 1:30 pm
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Yeah, and he was looking at the thestrals with a look of disgust, I think. I wonder if that's going to have importance in the future?
Hmm, if he was really looking at them in disgust (and I'm afraid I had forgotten that aspect of it) then maybe whoever died had died recently, because Harry's first response to them was to be disgusted as well, but then he comes to see them as beautiful. My theory is that this Slytherin boy was a relative of a Death Eater killed by Voldemort - any thoughts on who that might be, particularly if it were someone killed recently? I've said before that it is important that Slytherins, too, have suffered at the hands of Voldemort, and that this fact might be the basis for some sort of liason between members of slytherin and those of the other 3 houses. So this thestral-seeing boy might be important!


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Old July 24th, 2003, 1:39 pm
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Regulus (Sirius' brother, not sure about the spelling) died at the hands of Voldemort or at least on Voldemort's orders...but it's just a thought. There are soo many possibilities.


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Old July 24th, 2003, 1:43 pm
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Maybe Harry couldn't see the Thestrals at the end of book 4 because he was still coping on what he saw at the cemetary, seeing Cedric die, dueling Lord Voldemort, his parents coming out of his wand. I know I couldn't relieve what Harry just saw in that short period of time.


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Old July 24th, 2003, 1:49 pm
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Well, maybe death needs time to dwell on it before it "sinks in..."


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Old July 28th, 2003, 2:00 pm
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I think not only do you have to see them die, it has to affect you negatively. That'd explain why Quirrels death didn't cause them to be seen. Harry witnessed the death but it didn't sadden/anger him at all.
Only in the movie did Harry see Q die in the Book DD takes care of him


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