Did Hermione kiss Viktor Krum? v4

[RemusLupinFan]

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Originally Posted by loveshopelost You know, I was just over on the Canon-based Discussion thread and someone posted a quote by J.K. Rowling that said something to the effect that in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Ron realised that "both Harry and Hermione have had some action and he has not even got close." I am just wondering if that has been discussed here at all, as it seems even J.K. Rowling herself seems to think that something physical happened between Viktor Krum and Hermione. Originally Posted by Blonde_Arya well i think that they've might kissed..just a litle kiss...because vicor wanted more. . ..i don't think that they've might have done also something else.. Infact from GoF hermy we understand that deep inside her..she likes Ron! Originally Posted by staniw Yes it has been discussed as has this remark by JKR: A statement about GOF and love, from the Scotsman in 1999: When she talks of Harry Potter, his imagined life is clearly more interesting to her than her own. She talks as though he's within earshot: respectfully and with affection: "Harry is changing as he's getting older. He and his friends are 14 now and their hormones are kicking in, so it's really fun to write about. Everyone's in love with the wrong person, it's brilliant." It all seems very clear. Hermione falls for the wrong guy and she has some action. Unless you think that JKR tries to mislead the readers on this point it does mean that they kissed.

Please continue.

[manying]

...yeah, coz it's "in" during those times, and no doubt they did it too..<natural thing to do>...

[HedwigOwl]

Originally Posted by staniw

Yes it has been discussed as has this remark by JKR:
A statement about GOF and love, from the Scotsman in 1999:
When she talks of Harry Potter, his imagined life is clearly more interesting to her than her own. She talks as though he's within earshot: respectfully and with affection: "Harry is changing as he's getting older. He and his friends are 14 now and their hormones are kicking in, so it's really fun to write about. Everyone's in love with the wrong person, it's brilliant."
It all seems very clear. Hermione falls for the wrong guy and she has some action. Unless you think that JKR tries to mislead the readers on this point it does mean that they kissed.

Thanks for the quote. It seems clear from JKR's comments that Hermione's relationship with Krum is indeed real (on both their parts), although they are not destined to stay together.

[folly54]

I think that comment by Jo cannot be taken as seriously as you're trying to because while Harry was in love with Cho certainly supports the point, Ron in love with Fleur does not. She meant "love" in a very loose fashion.

My opinion on the topic is they probably kissed and this was at the Yule Ball.

[HedwigOwl]

Originally Posted by folly54

I think that comment by Jo cannot be taken as seriously as you're trying to because while Harry was in love with Cho certainly supports the point, Ron in love with Fleur does not. She meant "love" in a very loose fashion.

My opinion on the topic is they probably kissed and this was at the Yule Ball.

Actually, I don't believe Harry was in love with Cho. I think he was attracted to her and liked her, but I wouldn't call that "in love".

But I do think JKR's quote gives credibility to all the relationships going on in the books were real attractions/crushes, whatever you want to call it -- meaning some dating and kissing are involved, but no long term commitment, and in that context Hermione kissed Krum (or vise versa).

[apollonia]

I don't think any of them were really "in love" with each other, except I thought Viktor Krum liked Hermione a lot more than she him, and he could perhaps have been in love with her. I think she probably kissed him

[meesha1971]

Originally Posted by HedwigOwl

Actually, I don't believe Harry was in love with Cho. I think he was attracted to her and liked her, but I wouldn't call that "in love".

But I do think JKR's quote gives credibility to all the relationships going on in the books were real attractions/crushes, whatever you want to call it -- meaning some dating and kissing are involved, but no long term commitment, and in that context Hermione kissed Krum (or vise versa).

But that's the problem with that quote. Harry was never "in love" with Cho. He had a mild crush based on physical attraction. He went to the ball with Parvati and there was nothing there - he danced with her once and then ignored her to watch Cho. Ginny went with Neville purely because she wouldn't be able to go otherwise and he asked her simply because he couldn't find anyone else. Ron was strongly affected by Fleur's veela powers, but he wasn't in love with her. I wouldn't even call that a crush because he's affected by the veela powers. He went to the ball with Padma, but didn't even dance with her.

So, out of all that, nobody was 'in love" with anybody. The closest we come is a mild crush based on physical attraction and that's Harry and Cho. We could count Krum's feelings for Hermione, but that's shown on page to be one-sided. Basically, all Jo is telling us with that quote is that they all went to the ball with the wrong person.

There might have been a quick peck the night of the ball. It would be polite and I would say most likely occurred when she went down to meet him just prior to the ball. A kiss on the cheek or hand would be appropriate there. Hermione might even have allowed a quick peck on the lips. But that was the extent of it, IMO. There just isn't anything on page in GOF to support anything other than that - and even that is debatable.

[Nicole]

Originally Posted by meesha1971

But that's the problem with that quote. Harry was never "in love" with Cho.

Calling the author a "liar" isn't appropriate here. We can only go by the words she used, not force our own interpretation of them.

[SSJ_Jup81]

Wow, a version 4? Obvious I haven't anything else better to do than to frequent this topic, since I find all the arguments quite interesting. Anywho, as I've said in whatever other version it was, I believe the two probably shared some type of a kiss, more than likely a polite one, but I don't believe the two "snogged", since Hermione didn't seem to show an interest in Viktor in that way, and I couldn't see a person like Viktor forcing a kiss like that on Hermione since he's polite, shy, and a genuine gentleman.

[Yoana]

Originally Posted by meesha1971

But that's the problem with that quote. Harry was never "in love" with Cho. He had a mild crush based on physical attraction. He went to the ball with Parvati and there was nothing there - he danced with her once and then ignored her to watch Cho. Ginny went with Neville purely because she wouldn't be able to go otherwise and he asked her simply because he couldn't find anyone else. Ron was strongly affected by Fleur's veela powers, but he wasn't in love with her. I wouldn't even call that a crush because he's affected by the veela powers. He went to the ball with Padma, but didn't even dance with her.

So, out of all that, nobody was 'in love" with anybody. The closest we come is a mild crush based on physical attraction and that's Harry and Cho. We could count Krum's feelings for Hermione, but that's shown on page to be one-sided. Basically, all Jo is telling us with that quote is that they all went to the ball with the wrong person.

How does "in love" come close to "went to the ball"? I think she only meant that everyone had a crush on a person other than the one they will end up with. Harry went with Parvati, not Cho, but he was obviously infatuated with Cho. "Love" at this age means exactly that - crush, infatuation, etc. So Harry had a crush on Cho, Ron started noticing girls, but not Hermione (he went for the best looking (Fleur) and later stated he would have no problem going only for looks), Hermione met a guy she was attracted to. Her behaviour with him differs glaringly from her behaviour with any other guy up to that point. So all three of them (the lead teenage characters) were in love with the wrong person in a typical teenage way.

[guad]

IMO Hermione and Victor kissed. Period. They were 15-18 respectively and there is no problem with some teenage kissing. They were attracted to each other, but it ceased. Hermione likes Ron now better and Viktor probably moved on. Normal behaviour.

I actually don't see the problem with that topic.

[meesha1971]

Originally Posted by Nicole

Calling the author a "liar" isn't appropriate here. We can only go by the words she used, not force our own interpretation of them.

I'm not saying that she lied. I think she was being flippant about it. Nobody was "in love", but they all went to the ball with the wrong person. At that point in time, Jo's interviews regarding shipping related issues were less cautious. It was later - apparently after she discovered the "shipping wars" from what she said to Emerson and Melissa - that she began being more vague and cautious in her comments on that topic.

I just don't see that quote as proof that Hermione was attracted to Krum because, even though Jo says "everyone", it was not everyone. It was just Harry and he wasn't even "in love". He just had a crush.

I always wondered about that quote because of that. As far as I can recall, that's the only time that Jo has said something that didn't match up with what she wrote.

Originally Posted by Yoana

How does "in love" come close to "went to the ball"? I think she only meant that everyone had a crush on a person other than the one they will end up with. Harry went with Parvati, not Cho, but he was obviously infatuated with Cho. "Love" at this age means exactly that - crush, infatuation, etc. So Harry had a crush on Cho, Ron started noticing girls, but not Hermione (he went for the best looking (Fleur) and later stated he would have no problem going only for looks), Hermione met a guy she was attracted to. Her behaviour with him differs glaringly from her behaviour with any other guy up to that point. So all three of them (the lead teenage characters) were in love with the wrong person in a typical teenage way.

I have to disagree because that's not what was shown on page. Harry was infatuated with Cho and went the ball with Parvati. I don't believe Ron had a crush on Fleur, but he was affected by her veela powers. That was why he asked her to the ball - she was using them on Cedric and Ron got a blast of it. In general, he starts noticing girls and says he'll go with the best looking girl who would have him, but he doesn't have a crush on anyone. I don't see any difference in Hermione's behavior with Krum beyond being embarrassed by the attention when Ron asks her about it.

So, as I said, it's just Harry - not "everyone" and it's just a crush. The only conclusion that I see is that she was being flippant - joking around about it.

[sirena]

The thing is that we don't see what Hermione's up to when she's not around Harry. And he has been wrong about so many things until now. Harry said (thought) that his guess would be that Hermione and Viktor did snog, but... he's only guessing. He didn't see it for real, he just thinks it happened.

So, we can only assume that it happened or not. Personally, I think it did happen. Hermione seemed to really be flattered by Krum, and seemed to genuinely like him as a person. Maybe she was simply too dissapointed in Ron, when he hinted that she couldn't get a date? So when she went to the ball with Krum, he was nice to her and they had a good time, and in the heat of the moment, they kissed.

I don't believe she and Viktor were ever together, as a couple, though. She probably explained to him the day after, that she'd rather be just friends, so they agreed to that.

[seeker]

JKR gives clearer indication that Krum and Hermione's relationship was more than friendly in a July 2005 Time Magazine article. Speaking about Ron's "hormones," in HBP, she says "Basically it dawns on Ron that Hermione's had some action, Harry's had some action and he's never got close!"

This pretty much confirms that JKR intended Ginny's assessment to be taken at face value. If all that she meant by "action" was going to the ball, than Ron would have to be included, since he went to the ball with Padma, even if he didn't dance with her.

JKR's quote makes logical sense as well. Hermione's reluctance to tell her best friends that she was going to the ball with Krum and her continued secrecy about him afterward suggests that she at least saw the situation as a romantic one rather than just a slight friendship begun by his one-sided crush. Given Victor's age, it would be rather surprising if he didn't give Hermione a real kiss at least on the night of the Yule Ball. Harry wasn't around her the entire time, and he clearly had no idea that she and Krum had even exchanged two words before he sees them together at the ball. There is no reason to believe that they never see each other in between the ball and the second task. If Hermione had completely rebuffed him, I doubt that she would have wound up being the thing that Krum missed most two months later. There was no need for JKR to hint at a kiss before the "revelation" in HBP; given that the two characters had already been canonically linked, Ginny's statement was a detail rather than a shocking exposure of the truth.

[hufflepina]

viktor and hermione was boyfriend and girlfriend for me I think he give a hermione a kiss on the heat of the yule ball

[tofo579]

i think so... "viktors more of a physical being"... and i cant imagine him not giving her a kiss on the night of the yule ball

[FerN]

yes, they kissed...
we know that ron hasn't kissed Hermione because he is shy..., Krum is also shy,, he had a lot of trouble asking Hermione to go to the yule ball with him,,,
but in the same ball they may have kissed... we have no idea on what's hermione doing at this time,,

[SSJ_Jup81]

Originally Posted by tofo579

i think so... "viktors more of a physical being"... and i cant imagine him not giving her a kiss on the night of the yule ball

That was only for the movie, no tthe book.

[Mel08]

I always imagined that they kissed in the end of GoF when Viktor asked Hermione to vist over the summer.

[SSJ_Jup81]

Originally Posted by Mel08

I always imagined that they kissed in the end of GoF when Viktor asked Hermione to vist over the summer.

If they would've kissed, Harry, Ron, and practically everyone would've known it because those two were in public.