Did Hermione kiss Viktor Krum? v4

*vivekgk* · #**121** February 28th, 2007, 2:16 pm

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Originally Posted by chicklitbkwm

I think Hermione, like any girl, would be flattered with Krum's attention. And sure, why wouldn't she kiss him? I don't think it would have been something like snogging (she was only 14 in the book!) but probably a gentle kiss.

Whatever it was, I don't think it would be of much importance, unless it was more than just a kiss, and then it could complicate things for Ron/Hermione.

For one thing, Hermione was 15 in September of GoF, the same age Ginny is in HBP. So, I don't think that age would have been an issue.

Even if it was more than just a kiss, how exactly would it complicate things? These incidents occured two years before, and they've all changed since then. Hermione has asked out Ron. So, why would it matter that Hermione snogged her date to the ball a couple years before, when Ron hadn't even started showing interest in her?

*sparkly* · #**122** February 28th, 2007, 3:00 pm

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Originally Posted by vivekgk

For one thing, Hermione was 15 in September of GoF, the same age Ginny is in HBP. So, I don't think that age would have been an issue.

Even if it was more than just a kiss, how exactly would it complicate things? These incidents occured two years before, and they've all changed since then. Hermione has asked out Ron. So, why would it matter that Hermione snogged her date to the ball a couple years before, when Ron hadn't even started showing interest in her?

Ron reacted badly to the news of the kiss because it was the first time he realized that Hermione and Viktor had been closer that he previously thought. Ron had to go through several stages of acceptance until he finally realized what you said in your last paragraph - that the kissing happened two years ago, Hermione had asked him, Ron, to a party, and they weren't even together when the kissing happened. The news of the kiss did indeed complicate things between Ron and Hermione, and it was necessary for them to go through that complication in order for their relationship to begin.

*vivekgk* · #**123** March 1st, 2007, 5:32 am

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Originally Posted by sparkly

The news of the kiss did indeed complicate things between Ron and Hermione, and it was necessary for them to go through that complication in order for their relationship to begin.

I think you misunderstood me. chicklitbkwm was saying that it would create further problems in Book 7 if it were a snog and not just a kiss. Ron knows by now that snogging isn't such a big deal. He and Lavender had been attached at the mouth for months, and yet, there's nothing between them now. So, why would Ron think that Hermione would still have feelings for Krum?

*HedwigOwl* · #**124** March 1st, 2007, 5:42 am

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Originally Posted by vivekgk

I think you misunderstood me. chicklitbkwm was saying that it would create further problems in Book 7 if it were a snog and not just a kiss. Ron knows by now that snogging isn't such a big deal. He and Lavender had been attached at the mouth for months, and yet, there's nothing between them now. So, why would Ron think that Hermione would still have feelings for Krum?

(funny description of Ron & Lavender...and accurate)

Good point. It will be telling when Ron sees Krum again (or sees Krum talking with Hermione). We'll know if he's coming to terms with trusting in his newly forming relationship with Hermione. Even though he knows Krum and Hermione have snogged in the past.

*CelestLBeing* · #**125** March 6th, 2007, 11:12 pm

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Originally Posted by HedwigOwl

Good point. It will be telling when Ron sees Krum again (or sees Krum talking with Hermione). We'll know if he's coming to terms with trusting in his newly forming relationship with Hermione. Even though he knows Krum and Hermione have snogged in the past.

It will show us if Ron is ready for a mature relationship with Hermione when he sees Krum again. Ron needed to grow up considerably. He and Hermione weren't together when she and Viktor snogged and it really was none of his business. We will see if he has grown up in book seven I guess.

LoonyGirl · #**126** March 7th, 2007, 2:14 am

I think "none of his business" is going a bit far. I mean it's obvious that Ron has a crush on Hermione in GoF so wouldn't he be sensitive to if she was "going" with somebody else? That's just natrual interest. >_>...

Personally, I thought that HBP cleared this up for us. I mean Ginny's prolly Hermione's best girlfriend so I would think she'd know of all people, what happened between Hermione and Krum. Adding the quote from JKR about how both Harry and Hermione have had some "action" on top of it all, I'd say it definitly say it points to a kiss at the very least.

*CelestLBeing* · #**127** March 7th, 2007, 5:41 am

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Originally Posted by LoonyGirl

I think "none of his business" is going a bit far. I mean it's obvious that Ron has a crush on Hermione in GoF so wouldn't he be sensitive to if she was "going" with somebody else? That's just natrual interest. >_>...

Well of course it was none of his business. Just because he is her friend doesn't make it his business. And just because he had a crush on her doesn't make it his business, and it certainly doesn't give him the right to be a prat about it. If he wanted what she did and who she kiss to be his business he should have man'd up and been her boyfriend long ago. If he had she wouldn't have gone out with Krum in the first place and certainly wouldn't have snogged him. Ron knew it too, otherwise he would have asked about it outright instead of suctions hips lips to lav lav's.

Wright1771 · #**128** March 7th, 2007, 8:14 am

Even if Hermione says she didn't, would Ron believe her. And, does Ron need to 'grow up'......yes!
When Hermione went out with Victor, she and Ron were 'just good friends!'

*kingwidgit* · #**129** March 7th, 2007, 8:26 am

Let's leave the harsh comments about Ron out of this thread, please.

"Did Hermione Kiss Viktor" is the topic.

*vivekgk* · #**130** March 7th, 2007, 9:54 am

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Originally Posted by CelestLBeing

Ron knew it too, otherwise he would have asked about it outright instead of suctions hips lips to lav lav's.

Is it a contest?

*mysterious* · #**131** March 7th, 2007, 11:24 am

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Originally Posted by vivekgk

Is it a contest?

Looks like it, because first he sees Hermione snogging Krum, then Harry snogs Cho, if all this was less now his little sister is snogging her boyfriend and after that saying things about him not having kissed someone, so I think Ron snogged Lavender just to prove the point that he also can snog, moreover it was a welcome change for him.

*YellowRose* · #**132** March 7th, 2007, 11:29 am

I agree with Harry himself...'probably'. And I also think it makes no differeance either way.

*kingwidgit* · #**133** March 7th, 2007, 11:32 am

Topic?

ETA: Thank you, YellowRose, for finding the topic.

jedi_jon · #**134** March 7th, 2007, 11:45 am

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Originally Posted by YellowRose

I agree with Harry himself...'probably'. And I also think it makes no differeance either way.

I think more than anything i HOPE Hermione and Krum kissed (im not so sure about snogged . . . in some ways kissing would be more grown up, and especialy given her age).

Also, i havent read everything, but I dont understand how we see Ron likes Hermione as anything more than a friend at GoF? Maybe deep down he does...but i got the impression he hadnt considered it up that point.

*sparkly* · #**135** March 7th, 2007, 11:53 am

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Originally Posted by jedi_jon

I think more than anything i HOPE Hermione and Krum kissed (im not so sure about snogged . . . in some ways kissing would be more grown up, and especialy given her age).

Also, i havent read everything, but I dont understand how we see Ron likes Hermione as anything more than a friend at GoF? Maybe deep down he does...but i got the impression he hadnt considered it up that point.

I think Ron exhibited jealousy at the Yule Ball, and every time after that Viktor's name came up. However, I'm not sure Ron was aware why he was feeling that way - he might have convinced himself that Viktor was a rival of Harry's and Hermione was "fraternizing with the enemy". Ron had to go through a stage where his feelings for his friend Hermione were transitioning to something else, and he mistook his reaction to mean that Hermione was betraying Harry, when in reality Ron was jealous.

jedi_jon · #**136** March 7th, 2007, 11:56 am

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Originally Posted by sparkly

I think Ron exhibited jealousy at the Yule Ball, and every time after that Viktor's name came up. However, I'm not sure Ron was aware why he was feeling that way - he might have convinced himself that Viktor was a rival of Harry's and Hermione was "fraternizing with the enemy". Ron had to go through a stage where his feelings for his friend Hermione were transitioning to something else, and he mistook his reaction to mean that Hermione was betraying Harry, when in reality Ron was jealous.

ok i can accept that. But that brings me to my point: how would Hermione, at this point, know that Ron liked her? And so what is to stop her kissing Krum(i again emphasise KISSING). Except her age.

*sparkly* · #**137** March 7th, 2007, 12:02 pm

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Originally Posted by jedi_jon

ok i can accept that. But that brings me to my point: how would Hermione, at this point, know that Ron liked her? And so what is to stop her kissing Krum(i again emphasise KISSING). Except her age.

Oh, I agree. There was nothing to prevent Hermione from kissing Viktor, which is what I think happened. Hermione was 15 and certainly old enough to date a boy and kiss him.

*anabel* · #**138** March 7th, 2007, 12:05 pm

If Ginny says she kissed him, I see no reason to doubt that, even though Ginny said it to provoke Ron.

*mysterious* · #**139** March 7th, 2007, 12:24 pm

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Originally Posted by anabel

If Ginny says she kissed him, I see no reason to doubt that, even though Ginny said it to provoke Ron.

Um, what I don't get is what difference would it make if Hermione kissed Viktor?

I mean she must not have kissed Viktor, but the damage done by Ginny and Harry's assumption have been done....moreover I don't see a reason as to why she didn't kiss Viktor...Ginny suggests so and so does Harry....

Jetty · #**140** March 7th, 2007, 1:45 pm

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Originally Posted by anabel

If Ginny says she kissed him, I see no reason to doubt that, even though Ginny said it to provoke Ron.

That it's just reason to doubt, that Ginny provoked Ron. I suppose, JKR would write about this kiss, if it happened. Of course we can't be sure that it didn't happen, because JKR describes events, that Harry watches, and possibly Harry missed it. And Hermione wasn't spreading a lot of information about their relationship. May be we will learn it exactly

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