Will Harry die in Deathly Hallows? v5

[inkling7]

Hang on were't you the Grumpist member at one stage?
If you aren't now can I be? Please.....
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Perhaps these slips of info about Harry's life in years to come are a hint he might live? However what if Ginny dies? She seems to be his soul-mate and if she's not there and he's lost so many others he values then his future life won't have such a happy outcome. What a horrible thought - he might become suicidal.......

[ComicBookWorm]

Originally Posted by SusanBones111

Just an fyi, the color of the name depends on what skin you use. I use Ravenclaw, and regular members are blue, Hogsmeade is blue italics, staff are a lighter blue. Big kahunas are red.

I always found that confusing. The difference between the blues is not that great.

Originally Posted by inkling7

Hang on were't you the Grumpist member at one stage?
If you aren't now can I be? Please.....
Hope you're enjoying your birthday and keep on being a pain in the arse - I like it....

Perhaps these slips of info about Harry's life in years to come are a hint he might live? However what if Ginny dies? She seems to be his soul-mate and if she's not there and he's lost so many others he values then his future life won't have such a happy outcome. What a horrible thought - he might become suicidal.......

That title was a Secret Santa gift to me. And then one day it was gone. I rather like my title of Master of the Magical arts since only one other member has enough posts to have that title and she doesn't post here anymore. Others are working hard to catch up though.

I think that had Jo intended to kill either Ginny or Harry she wouldn't have broken them up. That way the loss would be all the more poignant and at least they would have had each other for a year. So I think they'll both live. That way when they get back together it will seem all the more sweet.

[LoveWeasleys]

Originally Posted by ComicBookWorm

Err, what's the subject? Oh yes, Harry. He won't die. Jo has slipped up a few times and referred to Harry's life after Hogwarts.

Really!!! I would love to read them! Could you point me in the right direction?

Originally Posted by ComicBookWorm

I think that had Jo intended to kill either Ginny or Harry she wouldn't have broken them up. That way the loss would be all the more poignant and at least they would have had each other for a year. So I think they'll both live. That way when they get back together it will seem all the more sweet.

I like the way you think!!

[ComicBookWorm]

I've got to run off right now. But one was when she discussed what his career would be after the stories ended. And another was when she discussed who she would like over for dinner, and she mentioned Harry, and then she said that she knew who survives. Then she went on to add Dumbledore and Hagrid as an afterthought which seemed to tell me that Hagrid wouldn't survive. Sorry. I'll have to go look for the quotes later.

[sparkly]

Originally Posted by ComicBookWorm

I think that had Jo intended to kill either Ginny or Harry she wouldn't have broken them up. That way the loss would be all the more poignant and at least they would have had each other for a year. So I think they'll both live. That way when they get back together it will seem all the more sweet.

I agree. JKR has positioned Harry at the end of HBP that he has something to live for, something to have after Voldermort is gone. He's no longer fighting just to avoid being killed - Harry is beginning to realize he won't be able to live his life as long as Voldermort is in the picture. Harry wants Voldermort gone because he, Harry, wants to live.

That's a different mind-set from the end of OOTP. At that time, Harry was looking back to what he had lost - his parents and Sirius - and feeling badly that they're gone. Now he's looking forward, and you can see it in his reaction to Dumbledore's death. It's quite a different viewpoint - Harry is now tired of losing the people he cares for and he wants it to stop.

I don't think JKR would take Harry on that journey if she was planning for him to die. It renders the journey he took in HBP meaningless.

[Catqueen93]

im sorry, but I reckon that Harry will die, but that Voldemort will go with him. That's what I expect out of somone like JKR. I like Harry and all, I just think he's gonna go.

[LoveWeasleys]

Originally Posted by sparkly

I agree. JKR has positioned Harry at the end of HBP that he has something to live for, something to have after Voldermort is gone. He's no longer fighting just to avoid being killed - Harry is beginning to realize he won't be able to live his life as long as Voldermort is in the picture. Harry wants Voldermort gone because he, Harry, wants to live.

That's a different mind-set from the end of OOTP. At that time, Harry was looking back to what he had lost - his parents and Sirius - and feeling badly that they're gone. Now he's looking forward, and you can see it in his reaction to Dumbledore's death. It's quite a different viewpoint - Harry is now tired of losing the people he cares for and he wants it to stop.

I don't think JKR would take Harry on that journey if she was planning for him to die. It renders the journey he took in HBP meaningless.

I appreciate this view as well. Because it gives canon as a support for your belief. I think you are right, that he had two very different reactions after the deaths of Sirius and DD. It shows that he is not only growing up, but that he is ready to face LV and get it over with, so that he can live a very long and happy life...

[Lillbet]

Originally Posted by ComicBookWorm

I've got to run off right now. But one was when she discussed what his career would be after the stories ended. And another was when she discussed who she would like over for dinner, and she mentioned Harry, and then she said that she knew who survives. Then she went on to add Dumbledore and Hagrid as an afterthought which seemed to tell me that Hagrid wouldn't survive. Sorry. I'll have to go look for the quotes later.

I know the interview you mean, and JKR has been so careful about not letting things slip that I doubt she would make a point of saying "I know who dies" and then name a character she plans to kill off. Just doesn't add up for me

[seeker85]

yeah i think that harry will survive. i agree with what other people have said in the fact that ginny will help him out and will be with him after everything is said and done. i mean after all i think hes kind of earned a happy ending, dont cha think?

[anabel]

Originally Posted by sparkly

I agree. JKR has positioned Harry at the end of HBP that he has something to live for, something to have after Voldermort is gone. He's no longer fighting just to avoid being killed - Harry is beginning to realize he won't be able to live his life as long as Voldermort is in the picture. Harry wants Voldermort gone because he, Harry, wants to live.

I agree. With Ginny in the background, Harry really does have something to live for - a future with her!

[inkling7]

Yes! Let's all cross our fingers for a lovely safe future with Ginny.

[Nats_breakthru]

I hope Harry doesn't die. If somebody were to die though I always seem to picture Hagrid. Its that pattern of Cedric, Sirius and then Dumbledore. Hagrid is very important to Harry so maybe the purpose is for Harry to break away and move onto a life with Ginny.

[Hinoema]

I really, really, really (Really!) doubt it, for three reasons.

1. The Prophecy says 'neither can live while the other survives'. By default, when one fails to survive, the other has got to live, or it's a waste of clever wording.

2. In coming of age novels, ninety nine percent of the protagonists come of age and reap the reward of their journey.

3. The epilogue, which tells what happens to the survivors, would be horribly depressing. I don't see Jo emphasizing the power of love and the benefits of making the right choices only to write a "Two years later, they all still cried over his grave" sort of thing.



(I think the strongest argument for Living!Harry is the fact that if they both die, the prophecy makes no real sense, and I doubt that is likely.)

[inkling7]

Yes that all makes sense to me. I just hope that the words 'neither can live while the other survives' really means that in the end Harry will live because Voldemort didn't survive.

BTW ComicBookWorm does this means that because you are no longer the grumpiest member that I am by default? I reckon I have always been the Grumpiest - just ask my daughter and her children and my friends.......
Can I change my thingy at the botton of my stuff to the gumpiest NOW????? (please) If you knew me you'd know I am really a Grumpy Old Woman.

Let's all take up the cry 'Harry Potter - the boy that LIVED twice!!

[Lillbet]

Originally Posted by Hinoema

2. In coming of age novels, ninety nine percent of the protagonists come of age and reap the reward of their journey.

I googled "mortality rates of protagonists in coming of age novels" and got this. I'm curious as to where you got your figure from

Seriously though, JKR has said she has cast Harry in the mold of the hero, so possibly he's going to survive, as you suggest, to "reap the reward" but I think it's more likely that he'll survive to pass on what he's learned. Which is typically what heroes do.

That said, I'm not sure that putting one's faith in convention and cliche is a good idea. JKR has shown more than once that she's not above flipping the script- she's already killed off two major/beloved characters and another major character "has gotten a reprieve" after all. And she did say that she hadn't planned on killing off Harry before the 7th book, which isn't to say she won't do it in the middle or toward the end.

Just sayin'.

[GabyPotter]

Seriously though, JKR has said she has cast Harry in the mold of the hero, so possibly he's going to survive, as you suggest, to "reap the reward" but I think it's more likely that he'll survive to pass on what he's learned. Which is typically what heroes do.

Yeah, he'll probably pass on what he learned but he doesn't have to be alive to do that!... If you saw the movie 300, you'll undeerstand what I mean: Leonidas died and so the guy whose eye was poked out passed on his knowledge of Leonidas to other people to inspire them... so Leonidas' legacy continued even though he had died...

[Lillbet]

Originally Posted by GabyPotter

Yeah, he'll probably pass on what he learned but he doesn't have to be alive to do that!... If you saw the movie 300, you'll undeerstand what I mean: Leonidas died and so the guy whose eye was poked out passed on his knowledge of Leonidas to other people to inspire them... so Leonidas' legacy continued even though he had died...

Nice! Haven't seen the movie but it's on my list to rent.

So you think Harry will die then?

[inkling7]

However Jo is writing for herself not the movie the 300 so can you really make comparisons between her books and other stories/movies you may have read/seen?

[hazel_eyes_21]

Harry just can't die. Jo can't kill him, that would be too sad.

[waiting4dh]

he has to die, jo will feel pressured to right more if she doesn't, so i think she will have to!!!!!!! i think it'd be great if harry was a horcrux and to defeat him he must kill himself!!!!!that'd be perfect, i mean i know it's SO sad, but i don't know why, but I want it to end that why, don't ask why!