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I don't think we will hear much about her,as she seems to be "filler".


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Old April 1st, 2007, 8:00 pm
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Just something to think about: At the Yule Ball in GoF wasn't Sinistra dancing with imposter Moody (Barty Jr)? Maybe I've been reading too much fanfiction, but do you think it's possible that Sinistra and Barty had a thing in the past and this would incline Sinistra towards the dark side? Maybe she even knew who “Moody’s” real identity was, because, personally I know I’d never dance with Moody unless I knew for sure he was really a very hot Death Eater on Polyjuice potion. LOL crack theory aside, I don’t think Jo would make such an obscure background character important in DH. There is simply no time to suddenly spring a whole new character on us. Had Sinistra gotten a bit of dialogue or screentime or mention in HBP I might be inclined to think differently, but she didn’t.
Quite a thought. He wouldn't exactly be light on his feet, would he? "ONE TWO, THUNK. ONE TWO THUNK. ONE TWO THUNK...OUCH!!!"


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I dount Sinistra is on the dark side, if she was a deatheater Snape would know and she would try and kill harry. If she was important to the plot I would imagine we would have seen more of her.


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Old April 1st, 2007, 11:40 pm
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I always wondered about her, mainly because of JK's interesting choice of name....It does sound like "sinister" but I agree with the above posts, it would be difficult to go more in depth with a character this late in the book.


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Old April 17th, 2007, 3:14 am
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Re: Secret Sinistra?

I posted this in another thread but it could belong here as well

Could Snape and Sinistra be siblings? There seems to be many connections between the two of them in the books.

1. Snape is sitting next to Sinistra during the first day feast in GoF. Sinistra is speaking with Flitwick but that may be a way of distracting the reader that she is sitting next to Snape.

2. Snape searches the Astronomy Tower when Sirius breaks into the castle in PoA. But as the House Head of Slytherin he should be searching either the dungeons or the Slytherin dorms. Why is it specifically mentioned that he searched the Astronomy Tower? If Sinistra is his sister there is a train of logic for his searching the Astronomy Tower. Snape knows that Sirius hates him and tried to kill him and Snape believes that Sirius is insane. If Sirius knows that Sinistra is Snape's sister then Snape would worry that Sirius will hurt Sinistra as a means of hurting him. Thus Snape would want to check on and guard Sinistra.

3. The Slytherin ghost, the Bloody Baron, frequents the Astronomy tower. Could this be a clue as to Sinistra's affiliation in that Snape is the Head of Slytherin House?

4. Sinistra has never been described in all the books. Could it be that she resembles Snape and JKR does not want to give that away?

5. Sinistra is a star in the constellation Ophiuchus, "The Serpent Holder," which inherently has a reference to Slytherin. Ophiuchus represents Asclepius, the divine physician in Greek mythology, who is associated with herbs and potions and carried a staff entwined with a single serpent. One story of how he gained his powers to bring the dead back to life is that he saw one serpent bring healing herbs to another serpent Asclepius has just tried to kill with his staff. All the serpentine and potions/healing references seem to link the name to Snape.

Furthermore, Sinistra having a star name and being the Astronomy professor seem to be a reference to the Black family, with whom Snape is associated thought out the series.

6. Snape's "moment of truth" happens in the Astronomy Tower, in that his actions in "The Lightning-Struck Tower" make him either Dumbledore's loyalest of a loathsome traitor. The fact that the chapter itself is called "The Lightning-Struck Tower" and the use of a tarot card name emphasize the location. In addition, Draco chooses to set off the Dark Mark from the Astronomy Tower. Snape knows the Malfoys well and likewise the Malfoys with Snape. If Sinistra is Snape's sister then it figures that Draco would know her as well and would be familiar with her. This theoretically could lead to him choosing the Astronomy Tower since it could be either be easier to make a false reason to use the tower with her or at some point steal the keys.

7. On her website JKR recently posted some of her notes which gave Sinistra's first name as Aurora. Aurora is both Latin like Severus and is similar in meaning to Eileen (Aurora is dawn and Eileen is light). In addition, Aurora is part of Aurora Borealis, or the Northern Lights, which again goes back to the meaning of Eileen.

Another reference could be to the fairytale Sleeping Beauty in which the name Aurora appears. In Perrault's Mother Goose version the heroine's daughter is Aurora and in the more recenty famous Disney version the heroine herself is named Aurora. In the latter version Princess Aurora (as in Prince) is cursed to die when she pricks her finger on a spindle ("Spinner's End") and does so in a tower (Astronomy Tower).

All these factors make me believe there is some link between Sinistra and Snape and possible it could be that they are siblings.


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Re: Secret Sinistra?

Professor Sinistra is evil. Simple. now, onto more important matters, *clears throat and holds up right hand* ACCIO HARRY POTTER 7!!! (thought i'd give it a try)


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Old April 17th, 2007, 3:40 am
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I don't really expect Sinistra to be important, but who really knows? It's possible she could be related to Snape, but there's not enough evidence to convince me. I get the feeling she's a Slytherin, even if there's not so much basis for that either, but I don't see her turning out to be a death eater in the last book. She barely makes an appearance and it seems more likely to me that she is sort of neutral.


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[quote=mugglenet.com]Sinistra, Professor - The Latin "sinister" meaning " on the left." In ancient cultures (such as the Babylonians), the left side was often associated with evil, black magic or bad luck. We wonder what this means for our dear Astronomy teacher! The left side is also associated with females, as in the "distaff side." The left side of the brain is responsible for both logic and analysis - important qualities for Astronomy.[quote]

Straight from the mugglenet name origins page. Need I say more?


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how powerful can an astronomer be?
Well, the Centaurs believe everything is foretold in the sky. That's pretty powerful...


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Well, the Centaurs believe everything is foretold in the sky. That's pretty powerful...
Belief in the Sky may be a powerful belief, but it is not power. Astronomy is a subtle science, that does not have immediate implications, therefore I don't think Sinistra's power is strong enough to be suddenly Unleashed!

Furthermore, since she (we assume she) has been a character of obscurity and background her alliance with either side is really going to be secondary.


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Old April 17th, 2007, 8:13 pm
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Your comment about the Centaurs got me thinking. What if Sinistra saw all this coming through the stars and plants, but just didn't tell anyone? I mean, the Centaurs are right. You can see a lot more through the stars and planets than you can through that stupid Divination stuff Trelawney teaches. Yes, she does teach her students a litte about seeing the future through the stars, but not very well.

Astronomy is Snistra's main feild of study. She most likely spent her whole life learning all about the stars and moons throughout the milky way. In the end, she may even know as much about seeing the future as the Centaurs, if not more. So therefore, it's highly plausable that she saw many of Harry's adventure in the sky, and just didn't inform him.

But, does this automatically imply that she's evil? I don't think so. She may just be in it for herself. Or, as soon as the found out the information, she informed Dumbledore of what she saw. It's very likely that Dumbledore didn't tell Harry about what Sinistra saw.


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i dont think she will be important in the 7th book at all i dont even really thibnk she will be mentioned


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Old May 31st, 2007, 4:21 am
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I don't really expect Sinistra to be important, but who really knows? It's possible she could be related to Snape, but there's not enough evidence to convince me. I get the feeling she's a Slytherin, even if there's not so much basis for that either, but I don't see her turning out to be a death eater in the last book. She barely makes an appearance and it seems more likely to me that she is sort of neutral.
There definitely is a Slytherin leaning to Sinistra (her constellation star name, the Bloody Baron hangs out in the Astronomy Tower). The fact that she is consistently mentioned in the books could be a clue that she is important enought to play a role in DH.


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I agree with everyone who posted that there is a definite Slytherine connection to Sinistra. I also don't think that she will be a major character in DH. Harry, Ron and Hermione all dropped classes that they did not want to take in their sixth year, and all of them dropped Astronomy(not sure,don't have book handy, will look it up).

The reason that she was mentioned throughout the books was because she was a teacher that Harry had classes with, and it was told from his point of view, so he would name the teachers he knew. The teacher's mentioned in the book are those that he has classes with.


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I always wondered about Sinistra because Jo loves to hint at possibilites through etymology. However, when HBP came out and no mention came of her yet again I gave up hope she would be included in the plot in any way, other than as filler. It would be a very weak idea for her to emerge as an evil insider at Hogwarts so late in DH, when her role has been minimal at best.


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I think Biblical references are moot, there are millions of interpretations for the bible and not one person can say which is correct.


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I don't think Jo would turn professor Sinistra into an evil person all of a sudden. I don't think the character is all that important.

I could be wrong though....


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I don't think Jo would turn professor Sinistra into an evil person all of a sudden. I don't think the character is all that important.

I could be wrong though....
I tend to aggree, while the meaning and possible implication upon her character her name has, I doubt that she will 'leap to the fore' in the final book.

But, having said that Slughorn came out of nowhere in HBP, so it's quite possible for a new (or little known) character to have a major impact and plot role in just one book.


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But, having said that Slughorn came out of nowhere in HBP, so it's quite possible for a new (or little known) character to have a major impact and plot role in just one book.
Great point!

There also is some speculation that Sinistra might be half-Vampire. Specifically, she teaches a nocturnal subject (astronomy) and we never see her during the day. Yet Harry never describes her a looking like a Vampire. Yes, Harry doesn't describe her at all, but if she looked like a Vampire I would think Harry would have mentioned it. So perhaps her mom was a Witch and her dad a Vampire. This way Sinistra might have gotten her mom's looks and and evaded the whole blood needing thing (thus it is safe to have her teach children) but did get her dad's inability to be in sunlight.


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There also is some speculation that Sinistra might be half-Vampire. Specifically, she teaches a nocturnal subject (astronomy) and we never see her during the day.
Interesting theory. We don't hear much about vampires and such throughout the series though, so while this is something that definitely arouses some thought, I don't think it's very likely. But you never know...

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But, having said that Slughorn came out of nowhere in HBP, so it's quite possible for a new (or little known) character to have a major impact and plot role in just one book.
I was thinking the same thing! Jo has surprised us quite a few times and I know she'll do it again (not with this, necessarily, but with a few things she's alluded to, ie. the significance of Harry having Lily's eyes, the "HUGE" revelation about Lily, the two character deaths, etc.)...I just think that anything's game. She could have just been using filler, trying to create a sense of size and depth to Hogwarts (as in, there are classes, teachers, students, etc. that DON'T revolve around Harry )...but maybe she could have been going for something more.


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Could Snape and Sinistra be siblings? There seems to be many connections between the two of them in the books.
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2. Snape searches the Astronomy Tower when Sirius breaks into the castle in PoA. But as the House Head of Slytherin he should be searching either the dungeons or the Slytherin dorms. Why is it specifically mentioned that he searched the Astronomy Tower?

3. The Slytherin ghost, the Bloody Baron, frequents the Astronomy tower. Could this be a clue as to Sinistra's affiliation in that Snape is the Head of Slytherin House?


5. Sinistra is a star in the constellation Ophiuchus, "The Serpent Holder," which inherently has a reference to Slytherin. Ophiuchus represents Asclepius, the divine physician in Greek mythology, who is associated with herbs and potions and carried a staff entwined with a single serpent. One story of how he gained his powers to bring the dead back to life is that he saw one serpent bring healing herbs to another serpent Asclepius has just tried to kill with his staff. All the serpentine and potions/healing references seem to link the name to Snape.
This argument is incredibly thought out. I enjoyed reading it and though I don't agree with it (I'll eat my hat if Snape has a sibling who happens to also teach at Hogwarts), a couple of the points you raised definitely piqued my interest.

Firstly, why DID Snape search the Astronomy Tower? It would seem much more logical for him to search an area he's more familiar with/would be already located at (as you said, the dungeons, where his classes, office, and presumable living quarters are).

Secondly, the Bloody Baron frequenting that area of the castle is also quite thought provoking. It could mean a connection to Snape/Voldemort/Slytherin. Or it could be that it's a cold, dark, hidden section of the castle and the Baron likes to chill out on the turrets or something.

Thirdly, I think the most fascinating tidbit is regarding her name meaning "Serpent Holder." With all the serpentine symbolism that Jo carefully sprinkles throughout the series, Sinistra's name doesn't seem like something that should be cast aside so easily, simply because she's only mentioned in passing. As mentioned, the Greek mythological connotations link snakes to healing/herbalism/medicine. The caduceus (healing staff with a serpent wrapping around it) is still widely used by medical doctors (in the U.S. at least...I don't know about other countries around the globe and I don't want to make grandiose assumptions ). Sinistra as healer/aid/seer to Harry on his quest? Sinistra as healer/aid/seer to LV on his second rise to power? I don't know...just something to chew on.

As I said earlier, you never know. Since this is the final and most pivotal book in the series, I think anything is fair game.

Jo has a habit of throwing things out there that seem totally insignificant and ignorable...but once we read the next book, end up foreshadowing something much more significant. That said, Jo also has a habit of throwing out red herrings, knowing that her rabid readers will come up with some wild theories about Hermione's parents being the reincarnations of Godric Gryffindor and Rowena Ravenclaw and are destined to vanquish Voldemort with the help of Filch (Helga Hufflepuff herself, incognito, of course)...only to blindside us with something else completely. Honestly, who saw Snape=HBP coming?

Okay...that's enough of my rambling. I'm very curious as to what others have to say about this character. Not a character that one would assume to be important since her appearances are so low-key...but maybe she'll surprise us.


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