What will we learn about Petunia in Deathly Hallows? v.2

[SeverusLovesUs]

Originally Posted by TDawg_0016

Lily and Petunia are blood relatives so Lily could not have been adopted...
Snape and Lily weren't siblings, seeing as how Snape is pure-blooded (with Eileen Prince as a mother), presumably with a father with a last name of Snape.

You are right in your correction that Lily couldn't have been adopted. But as far as Snape goes-he is a half-blood. Um Half-Blood Prince? Tobias Snape, a muggle, was his father.

[IMissPadfoot]

Originally Posted by TDawg_0016

Lily and Petunia are blood relatives so Lily could not have been adopted...
Snape and Lily weren't siblings, seeing as how Snape is pure-blooded (with Eileen Prince as a mother), presumably with a father with a last name of Snape.

If Lily were adopted into the Evans family, anyone could be her mother. We could have just not yet been told that Lily and Petunia weren't really kin, which could easily explain why Petunia was so jealous of Lily. That said I don't really believe that theory, but it's definitely worth looking into, for the sake of discussion.

As for Petunia... I believe her importance will in fact come in the form of information, with her unusual spying habit becoming relevant. That appears to be the only thing she has to do with the magical world, her being 'close to' a squib is merely Jo showing that Petunia wishes she was a witch, or even a squib, so that she would have some connection to the other half.

I too think that the fact that Petunia is so nosy will come into play. I'm sure she has overheard a lot more than we know about yet.

[LoveWeasleys]

Originally Posted by IMissPadfoot

I too think that the fact that Petunia is so nosy will come into play. I'm sure she has overheard a lot more than we know about yet.

Me too! I just started reading PS again and saw that this is one of the first things we find out Petunia as an individual. I definately think this has something to do with what we will about her in DH. That is why I am so sure she has information for Harry.

[IMissPadfoot]

Originally Posted by LOVEWEASLEYS04

Me too! I just started reading PS again and saw that this is one of the first things we find out Petunia as an individual. I definately think this has something to do with what we will about her in DH. That is why I am so sure she has information for Harry.

I wonder what information she could have though. She overheard Lily talking to someone (James,IMO) about Dementors and Azkaban. Do you think James and Lily knew about the Horcruxes? Perhaps Petunia's habit of over hearing things may shed some light on that.

Or maybe the thing she knows has to do with Snape....

[Thought]

Originally Posted by IMissPadfoot

I wonder what information she could have though. She overheard Lily talking to someone (James,IMO) about Dementors and Azkaban. Do you think James and Lily knew about the Horcruxes? Perhaps Petunia's habit of over hearing things may shed some light on that.

Or maybe the thing she knows has to do with Snape....

While I think what Petunia knows has more to do with the revelation regarding Lily, it might also be that Petunia overheard something that would more directly help Harry find the Horcruxes. That is, it is unlikely that Petunia knows about Horcruxes, but she might have heard about a relic of Ravenclaw. Harry, knowing that one of LV's horcruxes is probably such a relic, would then be able to make the connection and thus actually have a clue as to where to start searching for that particular horcrux.

[LoveWeasleys]

Originally Posted by IMissPadfoot

I wonder what information she could have though. She overheard Lily talking to someone (James,IMO) about Dementors and Azkaban. Do you think James and Lily knew about the Horcruxes? Perhaps Petunia's habit of over hearing things may shed some light on that.

Or maybe the thing she knows has to do with Snape....

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You know, I never thought that she might have an idea about the horcruxes and that Petunia might know something about them. (Good Job ) However, that is along the assumption that Lily and James knew something too and I just don't think that is so. Because then one might think because they were in the Order, everybody would know and the people that were in the Order both times would also know. (Which is another thread) But (IMO) I believe that the Order doesn't know about the Horcruxes. Because when DD tells Harry not to tell anyone about what they were doing, but he can tell Ron and Hermione...
Nevertheless, it would be very helpful if she had overheard something about the Horcruxes however,(IMO) I think that it was something about Lily and her protection...
I too think that Petunia overheard James and Lily even though James isn't mentioned by name...

[IMissPadfoot]

Originally Posted by LOVEWEASLEYS04

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You know, I never thought that she might have an idea about the horcruxes and that Petunia might know something about them. (Good Job ) However, that is along the assumption that Lily and James knew something too and I just don't think that is so. Because then one might think because they were in the Order, everybody would know and the people that were in the Order both times would also know. (Which is another thread) But (IMO) I believe that the Order doesn't know about the Horcruxes. Because when DD tells Harry not to tell anyone about what they were doing, but he can tell Ron and Hermione...

I agree that the Order doesn't and didn't know about the Horcruxes. But the fact that Lily & James thrice defied Voldemort makes me wonder if perhaps they knew something the others didn't and that is the thing Petunia sheds light on.

[crookshanksfan]

Originally Posted by winkysmajic

I think you may have misunderstood me. I agree she has a lot of important information to add to the story, but I do not think any of it is about HER. When I said "a muggle is sometimes just a muggle", I was answering those who had come before me on their theories of who Petunia was, while doing a Freudian play on words. That's all I'm sorry if you believed I hadn't read the beginning of the thread, I had. Thanks for trying to clear up the matter.

Oops! My mistake!

But still, I'm glad I said what I did, because I totally agree with you! It's not Petunia herself that's important, it's what she knows because of that nosy nose of hers... (Yes, I know this has been mentioned a couple of times already, but it's been three days since I've been here, and it's nice to express agreement once in a while, not just disagreement )

Anyway, "that awful boy"... and her previous correspondence with Dumbledore... I think you're right, all of you, Lily wasn't the first in her family to exhibit magical abilities. I guess there was nothing in her closest family, though, but perhaps there was a gifted seer somewhere, way back? There's not really much to go on, so this is just thinking out loud. But if she's got valuable information, I wonder where she got it from. From a conversation involving Lily and some other person? Or someone else altogether? Is it possible that her nosyness has ever made her spy actively, as in following people around or going places she is not supposed to be? Has she ever been in Diagon Alley, for instance?

I've got no specific theory to suggest, so I think I'll just stop here and see if anyone else has got something more valuable to say...

[LoveWeasleys]

Originally Posted by IMissPadfoot

I agree that the Order doesn't and didn't know about the Horcruxes. But the fact that Lily & James thrice defied Voldemort makes me wonder if perhaps they knew something the others didn't and that is the thing Petunia sheds light on.

I know! I thought of that too! and also the Longbottoms may be included in that as well because they also thrice defied him. I wonder if the two families are connected in their defiance...
Maybe that is what Petunia has found out... oooooooo.....

[crookshanksfan]

Originally Posted by LOVEWEASLEYS04

I know! I thought of that too! and also the Longbottoms may be included in that as well because they also thrice defied him. I wonder if the two families are connected in their defiance...
Maybe that is what Petunia has found out... oooooooo.....

Doesn't it say somewhere that Petunia and Lily had been out of touch for years when the Potters died? I don't have the quote, but I believe that's what it says.

Which means that any information Petunia may have, is old information - if she got it from Lily. But she did correspond with Dumbledore, so perhaps it has something to do with that. Or it's about stuff that happened earlier, before Lily married James, for example (when both Lily and Petunia lived at their parents' house, and other witches and wizards probably visited).

There may be a connection between the Potters and the Longbottoms as they both defied Voldemort three times, but I don't think Petunia will shed any light on that. I may be wrong, though.

[IMissPadfoot]

Originally Posted by crookshanksfan

Which means that any information Petunia may have, is old information - if she got it from Lily.

*smacks forehead* I was getting a tad carried away with theories there!

Going off an a slight tangent - I heard a theory before that Petunia may have had a crush on Sirius. What does everyone think about this?

[crookshanksfan]

Originally Posted by IMissPadfoot

*smacks forehead* I was getting a tad carried away with theories there!

That's strange. I don't think that's ever happened to anyone before.

Originally Posted by IMissPadfoot

Going off an a slight tangent - I heard a theory before that Petunia may have had a crush on Sirius. What does everyone think about this?

Well, I'm not sure about Sirius in particular, but I think she may have been in love with a wizard. And, unless she was in love with James, I guess Sirius is the most likely option, as he was James' best friend. So I definitely see it as a possibility. It would give her a reason both to spy on her sister when she had company (to pick up news regarding Sirius, if he wasn't there himself), and if (well, it's more like "when", but maybe she never told him how she felt) she was rejected, that would explain her animosity towards the magical world. So, as far as I'm concerned, Petunia being in love with Sirius actually answers two problems! Still, I'm not sure what to believe just yet. But I like the idea.

[LoveWeasleys]

Originally Posted by IMissPadfoot

Going off an a slight tangent - I heard a theory before that Petunia may have had a crush on Sirius. What does everyone think about this?

Well, by given his descriptions in the book (pre-Azkaban) he does sound kind of dreamy...Come on a flying motercycle...yum!
But, I guess I would say, "where is the canon that supported the theory? Or where did they get that idea from?"

Originally Posted by crookshanksfan

Doesn't it say somewhere that Petunia and Lily had been out of touch for years when the Potters died? I don't have the quote, but I believe that's what it says.

Which means that any information Petunia may have, is old information - if she got it from Lily. But she did correspond with Dumbledore, so perhaps it has something to do with that. Or it's about stuff that happened earlier, before Lily married James, for example (when both Lily and Petunia lived at their parents' house, and other witches and wizards probably visited).

Yes, this is true. Thanks! I think I got a little theory happy too!

[twiggles]

I agree and have always felt that Petunia may have had a thing for Sirius. It would explain her wanting to be around the group and also her feelings towards magic. Sirius was not the nicest or most emphatic person in the world and could have easily stomped on her feelings without her knowing it which could result in her hatred of all things to do with magic. The Woman Scorned.

[Griffins_Door]

Perhaps Petunia had a thing for Peter Pettigrew... Could he not be 'that awful boy'?

[chemJohn]

What was Petunia's reaction regarding the escaped Sirius Black in POA?

I think that may shed some light on this putative crush she had on him.

I don't believe it though, but I do believe she's got much more information about the magical world than she has led us to believe, and I don't think "that nasty boy" was James...she has no problem referring to HIM as "that potter boy"....I think "that nasty boy" was Snape.
Prim and Proper and all sorts of clean Petunia would certainly consider Snape "nasty".

[RWeasleysgirl]

Her reaction to hearing about Sirius Black, if I remember correctly, was looking out the window worriedly. To me, that just implies that maybe she knew him. Either had met him, or just had heard of him, but knew who he was.

[LoveWeasleys]

Originally Posted by RWeasleysgirl

Her reaction to hearing about Sirius Black, if I remember correctly, was looking out the window worriedly. To me, that just implies that maybe she knew him. Either had met him, or just had heard of him, but knew who he was.

Oh yeah! I forgot about that! Okay here is the canon: (I should note to that when the news caster gave the announcement they did not use his first name. They just referred to him as Black)

"Hang on!" barked Uncle Vernon, staring furiously at the reporter. "You didn't tell us where that maniac's escaped from! What use is that? Lunatic could be coming up the street right now!"
Aunt Petunia, who was a bony and horse-faced, whipped around and peered intently out of the kitchen window. Harry knew Aunt Petunia would simply love to be the one to call the hot line number. She was the nosiest woman in the world and spent most of her life spying on the boring, law-abiding neighbors. (PoA, 17).

I don't know to me it just seems like it was what Harry thought, a chance for nosey Petunia to get a chance to catch a criminal in action and turn him in...

[RWeasleysgirl]

I disagree, I think Harry’s interpretation was an excuse to keep us from nosing too much into it. We have that explanation if there is nothing else, but Harry is often wrong with his observations, and why would he think that some random criminal he had never heard of at that point would have anything to do with Petunia?

[LoveWeasleys]

Originally Posted by RWeasleysgirl

I disagree, I think Harry’s interpretation was an excuse to keep us from nosing too much into it. We have that explanation if there is nothing else, but Harry is often wrong with his observations, and why would he think that some random criminal he had never heard of at that point would have anything to do with Petunia?

You bring a very convincing argument You are definately right about Harry being wrong with his observations. I wonder....hmmmm.....