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Re: What will we learn about Petunia in Deathly Hallows? v.2
I am totally gutted to say this, because I am very fond of the "Dudley is a wizard" theory - but JKR has this to say on the subject:
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Re: What will we learn about Petunia in Deathly Hallows? v.2
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I am kind of happy to know he is just Dudley...thats forsure! |
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Also, DD said (in PoA, when Harry falls into the pensieve and sees the DE trials) that Snape turned on LV and became a spy BEFORE LV's downfall, but claims that Snape was still a DE when he heard the prophecy (or part of it). It seems likely that it went more like this: DD and Trewaley are about to finish up when she starts her prophecy. Snape is spying right outside the door and begins to eavesdrop on the conversation. Then the barman was bringing up drinks or food, comming to check on his customers, or something like that. He sees Snape and begins yelling at his causing a big disruption, which prevents Snape from hearing the rest of the prophecy. Trewaley comes out of her trance, hears the shouting outside the door, opens it to see Snape and the barman arguing and the barman accusing Snape of eavesdropping, andTrewaley gets all flustered thinking that these people have actually interupted her (even though they had not). Remember when she comes out of the trance, she is not always clear about what exactly was taking place before she went into the trance (not that she knows about the trances), but she appears disoriented afterwards none the less. (another movie forshadowing?) Snape leaves and tells LV about the prophecy, either right away or awhile later once he decides what it might mean for him. LV tells Snape it is either Longbottom or Potter and when LV chooses Potter, Snape's life-debt to James forces Snape to tell DD and turn against LV. That's my story what do you all think? I just added this! I was on another thread about How Harry will say goodbye when an idea came to me, here's what I wrote: We already know there will be information given to Harry from Petunia. Maybe before the good-bye maybe at the same time, but it will happen. However I do not see any love getting lost between the Dursleys and Harry. The information could also be found and not talked about. Like for instance, if the Dursleys were taken away for their safety [that's the theory on that thread], Harry goes looking in the attic and finds letters or something giving him all this information the Dursleys would never have told him.
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I think the most telling reason that it will NOT be Dudley or Vernon or Marge is that whoever the "mystery magician" will be will almost certainly be TRYING to cast a spell. We're told it will happen under dire circumstances. The ONLY way i see it being someone like Dudley or Vernon is if the house is attacked, and they pick up Ron, Harry's or Hermione's wand, and just repeat what they heard someone yelling then POW. On the other hand...Filch and Figs seem too easy. So....how bout Grawp?
now back to THIS thread... Feets off, I like the theory, but I'm not sure I can agree...parts of it are fun to think about, but I'm not sure. For a few reason: 1- just look at how long your post is...For Jo to make it make sense in the story, I fear it'd take more than one chapter. 2- and this is a big one...If Snape warned the Potters directly, he should no longer consider himself endebted to James. Despite the fact that his warning failed....he did his part. Just because James didn't listen, isn't his fault. 3- It's just too long and complicated. I LOVE these threads, they are so so so much fun, but what is with this obsession we all (myself too) have with such complicated ideas. none of Jo's other explanations of things have been so complicated. So...I have a feeling it's going to be FAR more simple than anything we've been thinking of here. 4- I used to think that she did indeed have a hex put on Dudley to stop any magical powers in him, but if she did, and Dudley is magical, isn't that more a revalation on HIM not her? In short, i have a feeling we're all gonna yell DUH when we see what it is. it'l be painfully simply, yet beautifully ellagant. As another aside, I also cannot get over Dumbles mentioining to Harry after he finds out Mungdungs was watching him as was Figs, that he's been more watched than he'll ever know....What was THAT all about, anyone know if there's a thread on that? How about a thread on why Voldemort says (we assume of snape) "I feel he has left me forever" in the graveyard??? I'd LOVE to know why he thinks that of Snape...perhaps because of his interactions with him as QuirrelMort?
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1. Dumbledore had to lie to make sure Harry and the others weren't kicked out of school. I don't think there was any way the Ministry would have let them off, if Dumbledore hadn't taken the blame. So I don't believe he had any choice. But as far as I can see, he didn't have to mention specifically that only two people (him and Harry) knew the full contents of the prophecy. It was additional information. So it would be a "needless" lie IMO. 2. I don't think Dumbledore would lie to Harry. Lying to the ministry is one thing, but lying about the prophecy to the only one who can finish Voldemort off is another thing. I know Dumbledore withholds information now and then, but I don't think he'd tell Harry an outright lie. (By the way, I'm glad you had a counterargument on this point. It shows you've put some real work into the theory. I like that! )Quote:
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Does the books mention the date or even say there was a date there? Anyway, we can only guess ourselves what date the prophesy was made on. I am guessing Halloween of '79 which is earlier than some people place it but it would be right around the time Harry was conceived, as if his very conception triggered the prophesy. Also, lots of important things happen on Halloween. Anyway, I don't think it could be known to Voldemort when the prophesy was made unless he knows who it was made by and that Snape was spying on Dumbledore the night he interviewed her. It could go either way, but I think he does know it was her. I think she was kidnapped the night the DE's broke into Hogwarts in HBP. About Lily and James regarding Snape.....I think that once Snape turned to Dumbledore then they made plans including telling V half the prophesy. Snape's loyalty may have been revealed to other members of the Order. If not, then I think Dumbledore revealed it to Lily and James once Snape found out they were Voldemort's targets. I don't think Snape warned them himself but warned them thorugh Dumbledore. I think they would have accepted Snape and listened to him if Dumbledore spoke for him.......Then again, I might sound like I'm contradicting myself, but I have to consider all possibilities. Maybe they didn't think Dumbledore was right about Snape (which is pretty likely actually) and that is why they argued with Dumbledore and didn't let Dumbledore be the Secret Keeper. They thought Dumbledore would reveal the secret to Snape who they believed was still loyal to Voldemort.......hmmm
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Severus loves, I've read that theory, even bounced some owls with it's originator, thanks though
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Cool. What's your take on it? Do you have other ideas for what is protecting Harry other than what he (and we) knows of? I think there is a strong possibility that Petunia might know what it is.
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I think the only significance of Privet Drive is that Harry lives there.
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I'm not sure what thread you are referring to. Where is it?
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So do I. Other than the significance of the name....Private Drive (Dursley's like to keep their secrets about Harry private, Petunia likes to spy and invade peoples privacy, Harry was kept private from the wizarding world....But as far as the place goes....it's only significant because Harry's mother's blood relation lives there and Harry is protected there. Nothing to do with the place itself...
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Severus loves, I think the theory is OK....I sort of looked at the sacrifices Harry has received on his behalf being similar to a non dark magic horcrux. He's had 5 sacrifices on his behalf (James, Lilly, Sirius, Dumbledore, and Cedric).
2 more and he has 7 sacrifices (OH NO NOT RON AND HERMIONE)...completing "his set". Not sure that's exactly what is meant, but i think it is close, and I don't think I agree totally...i like the idea, it's sneaky, and it's totally Jo...but I've never really thought of immortality as we're talking about it to be a postivie characteristic, or one that the "good guy" has. I'm also not sure that's how I read the prophecy. Just that the only ones who are capable of killing the one is the other, all others will fail if they try. Perhaps THAT actually is the proof that Snape heard the whole prophecy, he stops the others at the end of HBP from killing Harry cus he knows they can't....hmmm maybe he did hear more than he has led Dumbles to beleive he has. In any case, I think that Petunia's big secret is going to be that she knows specifically something that is going to give Harry a very important lesson. What???? no clue anymore. ![]()
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I think there is a very, very important thing to consider here. Our most valuable piece of information we have recieved as of yet is Jo's quote that Petunia is a muggle, BUT...
She obviously has some signifigant conection to the wizarding world, and it's not just Lilly's stories. Now, call me crazy, but I think Petunia might have had another wizard connection... James. Petunia must have been a normal muggle child. If you believe this you must also believe she had normal childish... crushes. Yes, you may see what I'm getting at here. We don't hear much about James's parents, and what's to say they weren't laid back enough to let him spend some summer vacation time at Lilly's? If this is the case, Petunia knew him. I'm going to guess that, like Harry, James was a pretty charming fellow. It's not unlikely then, that Petunia had feelings for him. Petunia might have heard about the wizarding world from her sister and James. Petunia also has a pretty strong hatred for James. She calls him things like "that boy." Could this hatred have stemed from the fact that James always liked her sister better? Who knows? |
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Snape, Sirius, Peter (ugh), and I think even Lupin was thrown out there as a possible crush, Now James. I had lots of teenage crushes, but they never developed into such hate. If in fact Petunia had a majical romantic connection, then she must have been dating and really in love with whomever rejected her and that person must have had some very important secrets that were past to Petunia while they were dating, and the person must have been in Slytherin for the information to really help Harry. It is like it was said it the first book. All wizards that turn bad are from Slytherin. (they are such cowards!)
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Hmm, that's quite true.
I do think though that it's a quite blatant possibility that Petunia dated someone magical. I mean, she's totally muggle, but there's more to it than that. You're either magical or you're not. She isn't magical. She has a strong connection to the magical world. It will be up to book 7 to reveal what this delicate complex connestion may be. |
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Re: What will we learn about Petunia in Deathly Hallows? v.2
I think that Harry will spend some time having a heart to heart talk with his aunt and find out a lot of information about his mother and father. Petunia may hate James because it was his world that caused her sister's death. She may have loved her sister when she was younger. There is a very fine line between love and hate and Lily's death may have caused the hatred.
I think that Petunia may have spent some time with many of the wizarding community and may have indeed had a crush on one of James' friends.
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