Pirates of the Caribbean - the movies v2

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by lion4mypatronus

I still wish Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley were returning. Both have confirmed they will not return

I feel like Elizabeth and Will's storyline has been finished nicely. I don't think there's much more to do with them--I'm fine with them not returning. It will be interesting to see Captain Jack with new people to play off of.

[lcbaseball22]

Hmm, this gotta be one of the strangest (pun intended) teaser trailers I've seen- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTzyEbnugFQ

I dunno about this On Stranger Tides. I'm sure I'll eventually see it the same I did with Indy 4, but I'm not expecting much. Honestly I think that this concept should have either just been one film or ended with the trilogy and gone out on a somewhat high note of the decent 3rd

[MuggleGirl09]

I think that the first Pirate's movie was great! The others I am not too fond of though.

[Hysteria]

The first movie was great, the second was dodgy, the third was awful IMO. Not much hope for the fourth from the looks of it

[lcbaseball22]

Originally Posted by Hysteria

The first movie was great, the second was dodgy, the third was awful IMO.

I disagree, the 2nd was the low-point. The first was definitely the best though

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by lcbaseball22

Hmm, this gotta be one of the strangest (pun intended) teaser trailers I've seen- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTzyEbnugFQ

Well, it's not exactly a teaser trailer--it's what they played at Comic-Con for the fans there. It makes a bit more sense in that context.

Originally Posted by lcbaseball22

the 2nd was the low-point. The first was definitely the best though

I agree with this. I'm not particularly fond of the 2nd or 3rd, but I enjoyed the 3rd a bit better than the 2nd. The 1st was actually a good movie, though.

[ActingDude17]

Originally Posted by Hysteria

The first movie was great, the second was dodgy, the third was awful IMO. Not much hope for the fourth from the looks of it

Why not?

[toujours]

Originally Posted by lcbaseball22

I disagree, the 2nd was the low-point. The first was definitely the best though

I completely agree

I will see the 4th, though I'm not expecting much. I think (I hope ) Barbossa is still in it, because imo he saved the 3rd film and made it so much better than the second.

The Curse of the Black Pearl is the best of the POTC films at the moment and I really doubt the 4th will top it. The last two films tried a bit too hard, and by the looks of it, the upcoming one does too.

[lcbaseball22]

Originally Posted by toujours

I completely agree

I will see the 4th, though I'm not expecting much. I think (I hope ) Barbossa is still in it, because imo he saved the 3rd film and made it so much better than the second.

The Curse of the Black Pearl is the best of the POTC films at the moment and I really doubt the 4th will top it. The last two films tried a bit too hard, and by the looks of it, the upcoming one does too.

The problem with a franchise like this is that the intent starting out was never to make 3 or 4 or however many films this stretches to. They simply adapted a Disney ride into a film which became a surprise hit and made big bucks. After that they've just been capitalizing on the success by cranking out another, without putting much thought into the story. They hooked us with the first and with the 2nd and 3rd we showed them we would keep coming to the theatres no matter what **** they put on the screen...so until we stop going they'll continue to make these movies. Unfortunately this happens with many franchises that were originally intended to just be 1 film. (ie Transformers)

In short, there's more focus on quality at first to get 'em coming back for a possible sequel...after that all they care about is the money

[freelantzer]

For me, the problem with the sequels is the ridiculous assumption that bigger is better. This is what's wrong with most summer "blockbusters" in recent years. [rant] Bigger is not better, Hollywood! It's like, "How are we going to top the skeletons? Flying Dutchman full of sea creatures and a Kraken! . . . How do we top the Jack/Will swordfight? Three-way sword fight with Jack/Will/Norrington only we can't actually show it without a million cuts because we haven't bothered to actually choreograph a better sword fight--we just added more people! . . . How do we top that? Ships fighting in a whirlpool and a literally bigger Tia Dalma!" [/rant]

[IenjoyAcidPops]

Now, hold on: yes, the sequels are excessive and bloated...but so was the first film. It's not like The Curse of The Black Pearl (which, by the way, was made not with the knowledge that sequels were coming, but with the hope that it would be successful enough to warrant them - that's why the subtitle The Curse of The Black Pearl was added late) was a modest diversion, it was a BIG Disney-Bruckheimer tentpole. Sure, things elevated as the trilogy wore on, and okay, if it's too much for you, I will not try to change your mind, but for me, there's a lot more character and entertainment value to these movies than to the likes of Transformers, 2012, or The Sorcerer's Apprentice, etc. And that's not to say I'm only judging them based on low standards, I genuinely like them. (Plus, I love that three-way swordfight, the choreography and the humor of it.)

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by IenjoyAcidPops

Now, hold on: yes, the sequels are excessive and bloated...but so was the first film. It's not like The Curse of The Black Pearl (which, by the way, was made not with the knowledge that sequels were coming, but with the hope that it would be successful enough to warrant them - that's why the subtitle The Curse of The Black Pearl was added late) was a modest entertainment, it was a BIG Disney-Bruckheimer entertainment like the rest. Sure, things elevated as the trilogy wore on, and okay, if it's too much for you, I will not try to change your mind, but for me, there's a lot more character and entertainment value to these movies than to the likes of Transformers, 2012, or The Sorcerer's Apprentice, etc. And that's not to say I'm only judging them based on low standards, I genuinely like them. (Plus, I love that three-way swordfight, the choreography and the humor of it.)

I'm not claiming the first one was a small indie film. It was a big summer film. But the two sequels seem to be bigger just for the sake of it in some places--not because it serves the story, but just because they can. For example, the entire sequence on the cannibal island with Jack as the chief and Will in the cage--that didn't really have anything to do with the overall plot development of the movie. It was just an aside, based on a snippet of a comment Jack made in the first film, to squeeze in more action. It was unneccesary. That's my gripe. That's why the two sequels are not as good as the first one to me. I'm not comparing these sequels to the other movies you mentioned because I haven't seen them so I can't say.

[IenjoyAcidPops]

Originally Posted by freelantzer

For example, the entire sequence on the cannibal island with Jack as the chief and Will in the cage--that didn't really have anything to do with the overall plot development of the movie. It was just an aside, based on a snippet of a comment Jack made in the first film, to squeeze in more action. It was unneccesary.

Okay, I absolutely agree on Cannibal Island, that's the one sequence in Dead Man's Chest that really drags to me. It does nothing for the movie. The sequels were both largely written during production, which is never a good thing, and if you didn't know that, it wouldn't be hard to guess from looking at them. In that way, they're unlikely (really unlikely) sucesses. I know you weren't calling Pirates a scrappy little indie, I was just saying that they didn't go SO much bigger that was insane.

Originally Posted by freelantzer

I'm not comparing these sequels to the other movies you mentioned because I haven't seen them so I can't say.

Neither have I, so it's probably unfair, but those were the three movies I thought of first when I thought of empty, soulless spectacle. Which is why I haven't seen them.

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by IenjoyAcidPops

Neither have I, so it's probably unfair, but those were the three movies I thought of first when I thought of empty, soulless spectacle. Which is why I haven't seen them.

Empty, soulless spectacle.

Yeah, I do not care to see those movies, either. The sequels of Pirates are decent movies, entertaining--I liked them okay. They just weren't nearly as good as the original for me. I just didn't think it was neccessary for them to feel they had to keep topping everything they did before. Just give us more of the characters we love in interesting situations with some action thrown in. Doesn't need to be Bigger all the time. That's all I'm saying.

[Linda86]

Here's a link to pictures of the cast filming

http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Penelo...es-Images/7211

I imagined Penelope Cruz in a sexier costume. Lovin' Geoffrey Rush's attire

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by Linda86

Here's a link to pictures of the cast filming

http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Penelo...es-Images/7211

I imagined Penelope Cruz in a sexier costume. Lovin' Geoffrey Rush's attire

Thanks for posting! What's with Barbossa's outfit? Is he in a Royal Navy uniform or what? And who's standing next to him? Does anyone know if Norrington's returning for this movie?

[Hysteria]

Originally Posted by ActingDude17

Why not?

Why not what? If you mean why I think the 4th one won't be any good... well:

The story looks thin at best, they got rid of Bloom and Knightly- neither of whom I'm fond of but it makes me believe even more strongly that they're just beating the horse well after it went down, Penélope Cruz, I could keep going but won't. Basically the only positives I can see are Depp and Rush (one of my favourite actors).

To those who commented saying the 2nd was worse than the 3rd, that could well be true, I only watched them once each becaues I thought they were both rubbish. Plus in POTC3 they knocked off Norrington (which I think upset me most lol).

The first movie was original, genuinely funny, and had fun characters (though the acting was a little dodgy on some fronts ). The second was just silly and the third I found a bore (plus the ending, eugh). But then that's just me. I may agree with you if I watched 2 and 3 again, but I'm not going to be that cruel to myself.

On the other hand, getting rid of Will and Elizabeth might be exactly what the franchinse needs to get back on its feet? I certainly hope so.

freelantzer
Does anyone know if Norrington's returning for this movie?

Isn't he dead?

[IenjoyAcidPops]

Barbossa was dead, but that didn't stop him from coming back. But no, as far as I know, Norrington isn't in this movie.

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by Hysteria

Isn't he dead?

He is? They killed him off in the third movie??? Guess that movie didn't make a big impact on me. I think I only saw it once or twice.

[Hysteria]

Originally Posted by IenjoyAcidPops

Barbossa was dead, but that didn't stop him from coming back. But no, as far as I know, Norrington isn't in this movie.

I was going to mention that He's dead but that hasn't sopped them before. Norrington and Barbosa are my favourite characters, so having them both undead or however you want to put it would be awesome IMO