The Next Dark Lord

[Morgoth]

This thread is to discuss the possibility that there will be a new dark lord in the future. Does DH leave any clues as to whether there will be a new power?

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[pevatsev]

Of course there will be. I am sure the reaction was similar (if a litte less significant) after Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald. I cannot say who it will be, there didn't seem to be any clues.

[lil_snuffles]

There will probably be a Death Eater that wants to take control and see if he can live up to what Voldemort built.

[Mia_Potter]

I personally think the next big evil is going to be Umbridge. She has such a huge hate for anyone who is not fully human. I could see her being LV to Teddy's Harry.

[Heart]

I believe in Scorpius Malfoy being evil.

I would of put money on Vincent Crabbe with his amazing fire serpent curse...but, uhm, we saw how he ended up.

[Vasheba]

I don't think the next Dark Lord will be anyone we've been introduced to so far. I doubt it'll be any of the Death Eaters - if they had any inclination to take over they would have done so after Voldemort lost power the first time. I also doubt it'll be Scorpio. I don't think Draco will instill in him the amount of hate his father instilled in him.

[snapegirl]

I don't think there is any clues as to who it will be or when they will come to power. I doubt it would be any Death Eaters or Draco's son. But I'm sure one day someone will come along and try to be the next Dark Lord.

[_No_Name_]

As weird as it sounds, I believe that Harry's son, Albus, will, or at least could, become the next Dark Lord. First off, JKR always takes great care in choosing names. The initials of Albus Severus Potter are, of course, ASP. An asp is a small, extremely poisonous snake often used in executions back in ancient Egypt. Also, Albus has a discussion with Harry about being sorted into Slytherin (whose mascot, ironically, is a snake) which seems random and just kind of stuffed in there at the end. A hint at something? Albus Potter and the whatever is not, technically, the same as Harry Potter and the whatever. We can hope.

[Maglore]

this is all specualtion if she writes more(which i hope she will and she reads these forums and realizes how we all feel) but if she were to create another dark lord ASP could be but i find it unliklely. also i dont think it would be scorpio either because draco did seem to feel some trepedation about serving his own dark lord and only did it for fear that his family would be killed. the DL seems to be someone that is ashamed of their heritage and so fears everyone and wants to kill everyone with that same heritage( like riddle who was a half muggle so he tryed to kill neone who was not "pure-blooded") i think it will be someone that we have not seen yet. and that scorpio and the potter boys might be the ones fighting him/her/creaturelike thing. and if asp does become the next DL then i think harry will be very dissapointed and probably very surprised that he created such a being. but first JKR must announce that hse is writing again and i hope she will.

[_No_Name_]

Originally Posted by Maglore

the DL seems to be someone that is ashamed of their heritage and so fears everyone and wants to kill everyone with that same heritage( like riddle who was a half muggle so he tryed to kill neone who was not "pure-blooded")

The asp was also a symbol of royalty and nobility. Harry is of a noble blood line (on his father's side). Maybe Albus becomes ashamed of his nobility. Either that or he becomes infatuated with and hates Harry for marrying a blood traitor like a Weasley. The child could also go as far as to hate Lily for breaking the family's "pure bloodedness". Just throwing everything I can think of out there.

[BelleSnowyOwl]

I don’t think there will be another Dark Lord. I’m sure others will try, but now the wizarding world knows what to do, they know what will happen if one person gets out of hand.

[Kidney Pie]

THE SELF FOREFILLING PROPHECY

I am sure that there will be some great and powerfully evil people who would like to rise to power. But I think people are going to start watching the young ones closely from now on for the same tendencies and impulses that others have shown. If they ever fully learned Tom Riddle's story from Harry, then they will know know to start watching the young ones sooner, before they are eleven I think, or the same mistake could happen again. I could be tough for a child, being watched closely, never being able to fully relax or be themselves.

I think there is just a way to tell which sort a person may fall into. But although I think children need help and advice, I don't think that they need to be observed too closely or criticized too much for their actions. They need to be able to play around, learn for themselves what is right and wrong, make a mistake and learn the consequences. If a child believes that everyone thinks they are going to be evil, if they are criticized for every evil tendency and thought, if they are constantly told they are just like their Father (or how they differ from him ) or another character, they may believe they have no other choice but to become what people are expecting they will become. They may stop trying at all. They may believe it is their Destiny. It is a self forefilling prophecy. They think they WILL become what people think of them, what they expect of them.

I could very well see this happening with some unfortunate child in the wizarding world. The next Dark Lord may become such, but not because they had originally intended to. It may be that everyone just expects it of them. There is a fine line between wanting to help a child, to mold and shape them into something beautiful and of nagging them. There is a fine line and if someone isn't careful it can backfire.

Something must have happened with Albus to make him fear that he'd be put into Slythern. There is something fishy going on here. But Harry does well to tell him that Slythern would be getting a fine student and he could turn out brave like Severus, although I hope not such a tragic figure.

If young Albus has heard all of his father's story now, maybe he'd be a friend to others who are different. Maybe he'd notice those who are hurting and longing for a friend. Maybe he'd not let others lure him into Dark magic, but help to draw other's out and away. But maybe if he makes a mistake and others over react, because they suspect something in Albus, small simularities they have noticed, then he could go bad, thinking he has no other choice. If he is constantly reminded of his faults and compared to someone else, he may feel like he IS that person, in a sense, like a piece of that person got inherited or was passed on to them.

This is almost what I am thinking when I read this about Albus. He seems suspicious. Why? What had he done? We never find out.

It would be an interesting next book if something such as this happened. A self forfilling prophecy sort of thing. When know Harry was a Horcrux but that bit of Voldemort was destroyed. But what if it left a trace of some evil, of his personalitiy or his evil tendencies? What if there is something Harry doesn't have any more, but can be passed on to his children like a sickness?

Personally I don't believe that there can be a sickness like this in the magical world, because we learn it is our choices that define us. But what if someone told Albus he had a sickness or that he had something within him, inherited from his Father, which would make him like Voldemort. Well he could choice to believe this, especially if constantly compared to others or nagged.

I can't see this happening with Harry around, who sees the good in everyone. I can see Harry advising him, but not ever telling him he is just like young Tom Riddle or that he is nothing like himself. I can't see Harry doing this to his child, or even Ginny. If however, something happened to them, maybe his young son would blame himself or forget all the wonderful things his father told him. Maybe he would think something was wrong with himself. Maybe he would think he had no other choice but to go bad. I could see something like this happening, but love could turn him around. Maybe it would be like a beauty and the beast type story, with one woman able to love a Dark Lord and change his heart. Wouldn't it be beautiful? Harry learned it is our choices which define who we really are, and his son will learn this too one day.





I'd like to go into more detail on this theory and write a Fan Fiction one day involving young Albus and the Self Forefilling Prophecy, how he loses his parents and blames himself and how he goes bad, (but not unforgivably so ) and is finally able to find love when he thinks he is so unlovable.

Let me know what you think.

[Pyrodogg]

Evil is immortal.

Dumbledore even mentions that the Good must fight continuously just to keep it at bay.

For the near future, next hundred years or so, I don't see there being anything more than a few Death Eaters, or similar, that think they were better than Voldemort. But they will get nowhere near the height of power that Voldemort had.

But eventually people start taking things for granted, they forget, things pass from memory into grand tales and some great time down the road there will be another that delves deep into the Dark Arts much like Grindelwald and Voldemort.

[theblueflamingo]

I believe Luna Lovegood and her army of Crumple-Horned Snorkacks will be on the rise, and will take over the world, with the help of the nargles, of course!

Seriously, I have no idea. Since evil seems to be a cycle in the wizarding world, there will be another, I believe. Probably someone unknown.

[Don Sirius]

Originally Posted by _No_Name_

As weird as it sounds, I believe that Harry's son, Albus, will, or at least could, become the next Dark Lord. First off, JKR always takes great care in choosing names. The initials of Albus Severus Potter are, of course, ASP. An asp is a small, extremely poisonous snake often used in executions back in ancient Egypt. Also, Albus has a discussion with Harry about being sorted into Slytherin (whose mascot, ironically, is a snake) which seems random and just kind of stuffed in there at the end. A hint at something? Albus Potter and the whatever is not, technically, the same as Harry Potter and the whatever. We can hope.

Man, I would love for this to happen in a future HP series. I think Harry's son becoming the next Dark Lord would be a fantastic premise for another set of books.

But to differ, I would say, assuming we have met the character already, that Draco will become the next big baddie. I think he has been set up to become Harry's nemesis since the first book and that continuing into the future would seem quite logical, despite the events in DH.

[Saskuatch]

I don't think there will ever be a true sequel so any guesses will never be resolved. Nevertheless I believe out of the thousands and thousands of wizards, the laws of probability pretty much guarantee there will be another great evil whether it be wizard or some other creature who knows. Personally from what I gathered it seems that it will be some other magical creature that seams to be oppressed by wizards. Would be easy for say a goblin to use wizards as a scapegoat and rally the support of large amounts of magical creatures.

[resol612]

Evil can never be quite eradicated, as what Dumbledore says. Hardliners who escape abroad or somewhere remote will no doubt try and rebuild their lost regime, but their powers will be limited because of the huge morale drop after their master fell to a teenage boy. Not to mention they will be terrified of Harry after this.

At least it'll give Harry a job to do if he became Auror.

[grimanimagus]

I can see the possibility of their being another Dark Lord. Harry dropped the Resurrection Stone in the Forbidden Forest. What's to stop someone finding it and using it to communicate with the dead Voldemort? Voldemort could then teach them everything he knows and they could become the new Dark Lord?

[Atomic01]

There's ALWAYS going to be someone who wants power, control, take over the world, whatever, so I'd be very surprised if another "dark lord" doesn't show up in the future... but I don't think it'll be for a while. I have no idea who, but Kidney's thoughts about Albus are interesting....

[laxstar3333]

We don't know much about the wizarding world outside great Britain apart from the two other wizard schools in france and somewhere in north europe (durmstrung). Especially considering that the headmaster of Durmstrung was a death-eater there may well be a foreign evil. This evil could gain control of a part of the world and then attempt to capture great britain. We could have Albus/lily/james/teddy/scorpius generation fighting this evil.