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Old June 28th, 2007, 6:27 pm
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Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

I'm not sure if this question has been addressed here before, but why didn't Lily simply apparate with baby Harry after (or even before) she saw Voldemort kill James?

We've now been shown that it's possible to apparate someone who can't apparate themself (in HBP - DD apparates Harry twice, Harry then apparates DD because he is too weakened), so why wouldn't she have chosen what seems to be (at least to me) such an obvious solution.


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Old June 28th, 2007, 6:58 pm
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

JK has answered this question, somewhat:
Mugglenet/TLC InterviewES: Why don’t witches and wizards Disapparate when they’re in danger?

JKR: Well. This is like all of these things. It’s tedious to stop and tell the reader when you’re writing an action scene but there would be ways of stopping that happening. Sometimes they do Disapparate, but very often, when you’re watching that kind of scene, it’s within a place that you can’t Disapparate from, like Hogwarts. So, that’s not an option when Harry’s at school. There would be other reasons why you wouldn’t Disapparate. You might want to stand your ground and fight. But they do Disapparate sometimes. There has to be an equal and opposite action.


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Old June 28th, 2007, 6:59 pm
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

wel...maybe you couldn't apparate under the charm the house was in. I don't think JKR's missed something out here. It's probably must be mentioned somewhere why.


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Old June 28th, 2007, 7:37 pm
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

In my opinion, Lily wanted to stand her ground because she realized that no matter where she apparated to, Voldemort would track her down eventually. She wanted to stay and die bravely in the face of danger.


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Old June 28th, 2007, 8:20 pm
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

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In my opinion, Lily wanted to stand her ground because she realized that no matter where she apparated to, Voldemort would track her down eventually. She wanted to stay and die bravely in the face of danger.
Even if that were the case, that would be extremely selfish of Lily. If she were alone, it would noble to stay and fight and die bravely, but she had her child, a baby, with her, and her duty is to protect that child (by apparating them both to safety).


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Old June 28th, 2007, 8:55 pm
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

hmmm...my immediate thought would be that you can't disapparate (or apparate) from a house under the Fidelius Charm. The Weasley twins apparate a lot inside Grimmauld place, but (dis)apparating might give away the location? Not that that would matter in their situation but maybe it wasn't possible at all.

Also, James told Lily to "take Harry and run". He would have told her "take Harry and apparate" if it were possible.


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Old June 28th, 2007, 9:02 pm
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

I don't think that Dumbledore would make it impossible for them to apparate out of their house, that places the Potters in extreme danger.


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Old June 28th, 2007, 9:08 pm
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

Perhaps Voldemort placed an anti-appration charm on the house. That would make sense to do if you are about to kill people inside it.


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Old June 28th, 2007, 9:09 pm
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

1) Voldemort used an anti-apparating charm on the house.

2) I'm more fond of this theory though: James saying "take Harry and run" seems to suggest this may have been the emergency plan: that is, James fights the intruder(s) while Lilly grabs the baby and runs. My theory is LV wanted something from her, and thus let her live (why else would he do that ?) What could be so important for him to say: hand over my prophesized nemesis and I will spare you ? I think the one thing he was always chasing: immortality. Lilly was an Unspeakable at MoM, working with the secrets of Love and I think she may have discovered the third way - PS and horcruxes aside - that is, you sacrifice yourself for someone else and they won't die. So she used this ancient, unknown (to most people, but most importantly LV) and saved Harry. DD traced this magic and carried it over to Privet Drive later.


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Old June 28th, 2007, 9:12 pm
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

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Lilly was an Unspeakable at MoM, working with the secrets of Love and I think she may have discovered the third way - PS and horcruxes aside - that is, you sacrifice yourself for someone else and they won't die.
She was? I thought she was an auror.


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Old June 28th, 2007, 9:29 pm
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

No one knows what James and Lily's professions were, JK has never revealed what they did. The Longbottoms [Frank/Alice] were both Aurors.

Then too, JK has told us that Lily was unaware of what, if anything, a sacrifice of herself would bring about.
Mugglenet/TLC InterviewMA: Did she know anything about the possible effect of standing in front of Harry?

JKR: No - because as I've tried to make clear in the series, it never happened before. No one ever survived before. And no one, therefore, knew that could happen.
As a sidebar to this topic, members may be interested in this thread: Side-Along-Apparition: Who can do it?


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Old June 28th, 2007, 9:43 pm
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

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Perhaps Voldemort placed an anti-apparition charm on the house. That would make sense to do if you are about to kill people inside it.
That's the best reasoning I've heard so far.


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Old June 28th, 2007, 10:06 pm
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

Maybe she had lost her magical powers. In HBP, Merope lost her powers permenantly, and Tonks's powers were weakened. Dumbledore mentions that a shock or depression can cause someone to lose their magical ability. Maybe something happened that made Lily lose her magical abilities. It sounds like the other person knew that she couldn't apparate - he says "Take Harry & run," not "take Harry & apparate." Maybe that's just because of the anti-apparition charm, but that still doesn't explain why she didn't try to leave a different way (broom, etc.), or why she didn't try to find her wand or use a spell against VD. Even w/o a wand, she should've been able to try some wandless magic, but it doesn't sound like she did. The only thing that explains these actions is if Lily knew that she couldn't use magic.


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Old June 28th, 2007, 10:11 pm
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

Because if she had escaped, it would've been a shorter series.


Or at least, a very different series.


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Old June 28th, 2007, 10:36 pm
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

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wel...maybe you couldn't apparate under the charm the house was in. I don't think JKR's missed something out here. It's probably must be mentioned somewhere why.
Yep, that's what I thought too I reckon its the charm on the house because it's the same one as the one on 12 Grimmauld Place and I don't think anyone's ever apparated there either... if no one can apparate in then no one can apparate out... maybe?


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Old June 28th, 2007, 11:06 pm
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

It has been said in the books that most wizarding houses are protected by anti-apparition charms. The Potter's house was probably just protected like any other wizarding house with the exception of the fidelius charm. I can't remember if it says if Voldemort came through a door to get into the house. It was like that in the movie but it could be different in the book. Anyways if he came through the door I would assume he couldnt apparate inside. I think it would be smarter to just apparate in instead of giving the people you are trying to kill the smallest amount of time to protect themselves. It sounds to me like there was simply an anti-apparition charm on the house


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Old June 28th, 2007, 11:24 pm
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In my opinion, Lily wanted to stand her ground because she realized that no matter where she apparated to, Voldemort would track her down eventually. She wanted to stay and die bravely in the face of danger.
That's what I think also. If the Charm was broken, it wouldn't take long for Voldemort, or a death eater, to track down where Lily apparated to. Also, being on the run with a 1 year old child would be pretty difficult, don't you think? Of course, I'm not saying that Lily stayed where she was because it was too much of a hassle to carry Harry around. But, in the moment, it would just be easier to fight your ground than run away. Lily and James were brave like that. Not foolhardy, they didn't think they were invincible...they knew they were going down (in one way or another) and wanted to go down with a fight.


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Old June 28th, 2007, 11:30 pm
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

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It has been said in the books that most wizarding houses are protected by anti-apparition charms. The Potter's house was probably just protected like any other wizarding house with the exception of the fidelius charm.
Understandable: no one can apparate in to avoid unwanted/evil people from just appearing your house. However, not being able to apparate out puts the owners (the Potters in this case) in extreme danger should a witch/wizard with malicious intent force their way in.

We've seen how advanced (and simple at the same time) magic can be, it seems that the charm could easily not allow unwanted apparaters in, but should allow outward apparition. Or, the charm could be made to be effective on everyone but the owners of the house, thus allowing them safe exit should they need to quickly leave. Seems like just "there was an anti-apparition charm on the house" is too simple - wizards evolve just like the rest of humanity (or moreso) and would not allow themselves to be trapped in their own homes.

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That's what I think also. If the Charm was broken, it wouldn't take long for Voldemort, or a death eater, to track down where Lily apparated to. Also, being on the run with a 1 year old child would be pretty difficult, don't you think? Of course, I'm not saying that Lily stayed where she was because it was too much of a hassle to carry Harry around. But, in the moment, it would just be easier to fight your ground than run away. Lily and James were brave like that. Not foolhardy, they didn't think they were invincible...they knew they were going down (in one way or another) and wanted to go down with a fight.
You really think that she'd rather stay and fight and "be brave" whilst knowing full-well that if she dies her baby will be left there unguarded with the greatest dark wizard of all time instead of apparating them both to safety?


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Old June 28th, 2007, 11:35 pm
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

Maybe it's just the fact that Harry was a baby, to apparate is dangerous.


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Old June 29th, 2007, 12:13 am
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Re: Why didn't Lily apparate with Harry?

There was probably that same charm in the Potter house as there is in Hogwarts. It was used to save them but proably killed them in the end. Or heres another idea.. Maybe she just gave up on all that running they where doing and decided to at least save Harry....


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