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1. Quirrell's year off was a few years before Harry's first year at Hogwarts. Did Quirrell indeed teach a different subject prior to SS/PS or was he not afflicted by the curse?

2. How did Quirrell manage to conceal Voldemort's presence from Dumbledore? Was he more powerful than everyone thought or did Voldemort, weak as he was, all the work?

3. How do you think Quirrell came to meet Voldemort?
Did Quirrell have an encounter with vampires or was this story part of his disguise?


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1. Quirrell's year off was a few years before Harry's first year at Hogwarts. Did Quirrell indeed teach a different subject prior to SS/PS or was he not afflicted by the curse?

He must have taught another course, because the DADA post was cursed. But, Percy tells Harry that Snape is after Quirell's job, not the DADA job, so I'm not sure.

2. How did Quirrell manage to conceal Voldemort's presence from Dumbledore? Was he more powerful than everyone thought or did Voldemort, weak as he was, all the work?

Quirrell may have been more powerful than everyone thought. Voldemort was the brains behind it all, though, I'm sure. Voldemort knew the difficult magic, but Quirell could perform it.

3. How do you think Quirrell came to meet Voldemort?
Did Quirrell have an encounter with vampires or was this story part of his disguise?


Im not sure about voldemort. I would assume the vampire thing was just part of the disguise.


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3. How do you think Quirrell came to meet Voldemort?
Did Quirrell have an encounter with vampires or was this story part of his disguise?

I hope he did have an encounter with a vampire. Vampires were sadly lacking in the HP series. We know they existed as one came to Slughorn's tea party that Harry attended in HBP. I would have liked to have known more about them and how they moved within society. It appears that they moved on the outskirts, like other halfbreeds, but we just don't know. There may have been vampires living in society unknown to the majority of the populace. That would take a little tricky charm work, but not impossible.

So I think it is likely that Quirrell met up with a vampire because they did exist and it wasn't something all that odd probably - just not spoken of much. Just like there was an underworld of werewolves that we only heard about because of Remus.


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1. Quirrell's year off was a few years before Harry's first year at Hogwarts. Did Quirrell indeed teach a different subject prior to SS/PS or was he not afflicted by the curse?

JKR confirmed that Quirrell did teach at Hogwarts before he took on the DADA post, but was the Muggle Studies teacher. Thus only when he took up DADA he got influenced by the curse.

2. How did Quirrell manage to conceal Voldemort's presence from Dumbledore? Was he more powerful than everyone thought or did Voldemort, weak as he was, all the work?

Voldemort probably did all the work, he controlled Quirrell so I am pretty sure he managed to keep Quirrell's thoughts under control when meeting Dumbledore. He must have had trouble with Snape too, since Snape was so accomplished in occlumency.


3. How do you think Quirrell came to meet Voldemort?
Did Quirrell have an encounter with vampires or was this story part of his disguise?


Well when he was traveling through Europe and probably through Albania, to get a little experience with DADA he might have gotten lost in the woods where Voldemort was hiding. Perhaps Voldemort was possessing a human at the time but at least they got talking and Voldemort used mind games on Quirrell.

It's possible that Quirrell did meet vampires, but I doubt he was really scared of them. It's more likely he made up that story to appear weak and nervous, which was part of his disguise. The turban was meant to hide a smelly Voldemort, thus the vampire story was perfect.


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2. How did Quirrell manage to conceal Voldemort's presence from Dumbledore? Was he more powerful than everyone thought or did Voldemort, weak as he was, all the work?

Voldemort probably did all the work, he controlled Quirrell so I am pretty sure he managed to keep Quirrell's thoughts under control when meeting Dumbledore. He must have had trouble with Snape too, since Snape was so accomplished in occlumency.
Voldemort said he had no powers beyond posessing other living creatures. So, I think that should lead us to believe Quirrell is responsible for just about anything he/Voldemort does.

When Quirrell goes into the forest to hunt unicorns, he seems to do based on Voldemort's persuasion. Voldemort doesn't seem able to actually control Quirrell and force him to do it.

In restrospect, it's dissapointing we didn't see more of Quirrell. We didn't even get a single DADA class (in fact, at one time I thought first years didn't take DADA because of that). We could have known a lot more about Quirrell if he simply had one conversation with Harry- perhaps being friendly but trying to manipulate Harry into something.


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I think Voldemort was capable of more than possession (he was just being modest, I'm sure)...he was also capable of mind control beyond mere possession. The things Quirrel was able to do when possessed by Voldemort were only possible for him because he WAS possessed by Voldemort. I'd like to know what his personality was like BEFORE he was possessed. Did the nervousness and timidity appear ONLY after his possession or was it a personality trait that Voldemort built on and amplified after he possessed Quirrel?


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Did the nervousness and timidity appear ONLY after his possession or was it a personality trait that Voldemort built on and amplified after he possessed Quirrel?
Quirrel was never nervous or timid. That was just an act.


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Re: Quirinus? Quirrell: Character Analysis

1. Quirrell's year off was a few years before Harry's first year at Hogwarts. Did Quirrell indeed teach a different subject prior to SS/PS or was he not afflicted by the curse?
As Hes said, Quirrell taught Muggle Studies rather than DADA, so the curse didn't come into effect for him until he started teaching DADA. But I suppose that if he'd taught DADA for one year before coming back as Quirrellmort we may have been able to explain it as Voldemort extending the curse so Quirrell - with him inside Quirrell's body - could teach. Stretching it I know, but at least we have a better explanation per Jo.

2. How did Quirrell manage to conceal Voldemort's presence from Dumbledore? Was he more powerful than everyone thought or did Voldemort, weak as he was, all the work?
I suppose he was just careful to keep up the mask of "p- p- poor s- st- stuttering Professor Quirrell". He may have been careful to avoid Dumbledore as well. Dumbledore wasn't all-powerful either, even if he was more intuitive than most. I don't think Quirrell was weak persay (he may have been morally weak, but that's a different story), but certainly Voldemort was strong magically - I'm sure his spirit was still pretty potent.

3. How do you think Quirrell came to meet Voldemort? Did Quirrell have an encounter with vampires or was this story part of his disguise?
Quirrell was likely ambitious and met Voldemort in his travels to Albania (where Voldemort was hiding out for a while). I'm sure the encounter with vampires was a cover-up story, and the real tale was that he had an enounter with Voldemort.


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Nobody could detect Voldemort, until Harry came along. With Quirrell's trip to Albania he probably stumbled upon a creature that Voldemort had control of....Quirrell was easily lead, following his orders was a different story!


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I always wonder what Dumbledore really thought about the attitude change, presumably Quirrell wasn't that nervous before. Quirrell must have put a lot of energy in successfully hiding Voldemort, even if Voldemort helped.


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I think Quirrel might have been in Ravenclaw. I wonder what could have happened had he survived, would he have joined the Death Eaters or would he have changed sides, and would he have been a valuable ally in the war against Voldemort?

1. Quirrell's year off was a few years before Harry's first year at Hogwarts. Did Quirrell indeed teach a different subject prior to SS/PS or was he not afflicted by the curse?

As has already been said he taught Muggle Studies before Defense against the Dark Arts. Though I wonder if he was moved to the DADA post before or after he left for Albania, I take that it was before as he left to get some experience, I also take it that when he left Charity took over the Muggle studies class. If this was the year before Harry started it might explain why there was no new staff announcement at the start of year feast as it might have been mentioned before Quirrell left that he was to teach the subject after he returned.

2. How did Quirrell manage to conceal Voldemort's presence from Dumbledore? Was he more powerful than everyone thought or did Voldemort, weak as he was, all the work?

We know that Snape was suspicious of Quirrell, and I think Dumbledore might have had a suspicion that Voldemort was working though Quirrell, because in Deathly Hallows we see a moment where Dumbledore tells Snape to keep on eye on Quirrell, so it seems that Quirrell was not that good at concealing Voldemort.

3. How do you think Quirrell came to meet Voldemort? Did Quirrell have an encounter with vampires or was this story part of his disguise?

Perhaps Voldemort was possessing a Vampire when he met Quirrell, that way it would be both an encounter with a vampire and an encounter with Voldemort.





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[color="DarkOrange"]I think Quirrel might have been in Ravenclaw. I wonder what could have happened had he survived, would he have joined the Death Eaters or would he have changed sides, and would he have been a valuable ally in the war against Voldemort?
Good question, it's difficult to say. I can imagine that since Voldemort's plan to re-posses a body didn't work out he could be held partly responsible for that. The Death Eaters that were still free at the point probably wouldn't have welcomed him in their midst. They would have been suspicious of Quirrell because he wasn't a Death Eater.

Changing sides wouldn't have worked out either, Harry and friends would have been set against him, he wanted to kill Harry after all! Dumbledore might have been forgiving. But although Quirrell might have been a helpful extra fighter I can't imagine he was very valuable. Voldemort probably didn't share many secrets with Quirrell when attached to his head.

I personally think he would have made a run for it.


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I think Voldemort was capable of more than possession (he was just being modest, I'm sure)...he was also capable of mind control beyond mere possession. The things Quirrel was able to do when possessed by Voldemort were only possible for him because he WAS possessed by Voldemort.
I disagree. Voldemort was then a completely incorporeal entity, consisting of a strong mind, a fragment of soul, and no body. It is reasonable to compare him to another such entity: the Riddle that came out of the diary and possessed Ginny. We know he was not capable of doing anything that Ginny could not do. (If he was, why didn't he try it?) He did not use her to do any sophisticated spells. He made her physically kill roosters, write on a wall, and speak the words to open the chamber of secrets. These are all activities that a first year would be able to do. Remember, anyone can speak parseltongue if they know what to say (as Ron did in Deathly Hallows).

The situation with Quirrell does differ in one important way: Quirrell was consciously working for Voldemort, and retained his own awareness during possession, while Ginny could not remember anything that took place when Riddle was using her (presumably because he realized that she would not comply willingly and was likely to tell someone). This would indicate that possession is not enough to enable Voldemort to do magic through a wizard/witch host (or, if he could, that he was incapable of making the host do magic they could not perform themselves under normal circumstances), but that Quirrell was willing to follow Voldemort's instructions to perform magic using his own skills.

Mind control is a skill Voldemort can exercise when possessing someone. He can possess someone without completely taking over their mind, as he did with Quirrell, in which case the host would be aware of his presence. He can possess someone while controlling their mind completely, as he did with Ginny, in which case the host would not be aware of his prescence and he could not perform magic through them. At least, that's how I see it!


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Re: Quirinus? Quirrell: Character Analysis

1. Quirrell's year off was a few years before Harry's first year at Hogwarts. Did Quirrell indeed teach a different subject prior to SS/PS or was he not afflicted by the curse?
I didn't know until now...but Hes said that JKR confirmed that he taught Muggle Studies before teaching DADA. So I'm going with what Hes says.

2. How did Quirrell manage to conceal Voldemort's presence from Dumbledore? Was he more powerful than everyone thought or did Voldemort, weak as he was, do all the work?
I think that Quirrell just had to keep on pretending and stay away from Dumbledore, as RemusLupinFan said.

3. How do you think Quirrell came to meet Voldemort?
Did Quirrell have an encounter with vampires or was this story part of his disguise?

I agree with RemusLupinFan and Hes. When Quirrell was traveling in Europe, he probably came across LV's hiding place in Albania. And I don't think Quirrell actually had an encounter with vampires; that was just part of the disguise. I think he put on the stuttering act so that he could pretend that he was badly shaken by it. JMO.


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2. How did Quirrell manage to conceal Voldemort's presence from Dumbledore? Was he more powerful than everyone thought or did Voldemort, weak as he was, do all the work?
I think that Quirrell just had to keep on pretending and stay away from Dumbledore, as RemusLupinFan said.
Hmm. Dumbledore was a pretty perceptive fellow. I think he knew that Quirrell was working for Voldemort, even if he did not know the extent. To prevent Dumbledore from finding out that he was, in fact, sharing his body with the Dark Lord, I agree that Quirrell would have made sure to stay as far away from Dumbledore as he could manage. It seems we have hit upon one of the most mysterious of the mysterious ways in which Dumbledore acted.

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"D'you think he meant you to do it?" Said Ron. "Sending you your father's cloak and everything?"
"Well," Hermione exploded, "if he did -- I mean to say -- that's terrible -- you could have been killed."
"No, it isn't said Harry thoughtfully. "He's a funny man, Dumbledore. I think he sort of wanted to give me a chance. I think he knows more or less everything that goes on here, you know. I reckon he had a pretty good idea we were going to try, and instead of stopping us, he just taught us enough to help. I don't think it was an accident he let me find out how the mirror worked. It's almost like he thought I had the right to face Voldemort if I could. . . ."
"Yeah, Dumbledore's off his rocker, all right," said Ron proudly."
All the reasons Dumbledore may have had for doing this might be considered off topic for this thread, but I find it something to ponder whether Dumbledore knew only that Quirrell was working for Voldemort (or at the very least, involved in something severely sinister) --

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"Keep an eye on Quirrell, won't you?"
-- or if he was aware that Voldemort was actually inhabiting Quirrell. On the one hand, I would think that Dumbledore would act immediately to remove Voldemort, in whatever format, from the midst of his students. On the other hand, would Dumbledore have allowed him to remain for Harry to face if he believed him too weak to do any significant damage? I am inclined to believe he would not, and that Dumbledore was not aware that Voldemort was actually inside the castle.

Of course, this is just my theory!


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2. How did Quirrell manage to conceal Voldemort's presence from Dumbledore? Was he more powerful than everyone thought or did Voldemort, weak as he was, all the work?

I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure that some of Voldemort's powers such as being a good Leglimens were passed to Quirrell through their connection, which made it easier for him to fool Dumbledore. I think he would have aimed to have as little contact with Dumbledore as possible.

I think Quirrell was quite a powerful wizard. But, not powerful enough to think for himself or break away from Voldemort.

3. How do you think Quirrell came to meet Voldemort?
Did Quirrell have an encounter with vampires or was this story part of his disguise?


It would have been good if the vampire story was actually real. I think Voldemort had stumbled across Quirrell and couldn't believe his luck. It really was a chance meeting.


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I think Quirrell was quite a powerful wizard. But, not powerful enough to think for himself or break away from Voldemort.
"Power" and "strength" are clearly not the same thing. Villains pursue and acquire power in the belief it will make them strong. True strength cannot be found on that path. I pity Quirrell. I wonder how much of what he did was guided by his own desire, and how many of his actions were motivated by fear.


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Re: Quirinus? Quirrell: Character Analysis

1. Quirrell's year off was a few years before Harry's first year at Hogwarts. Did Quirrell indeed teach a different subject prior to SS/PS or was he not afflicted by the curse?

No, I think he definitely taught another subject. Dumbledore did say the no person has been able to stay for more than a year.

2. How did Quirrell manage to conceal Voldemort's presence from Dumbledore? Was he more powerful than everyone thought or did Voldemort, weak as he was, all the work?

No, I think Dumbledore has his suspicions that Quirrell was a fake.

3. How do you think Quirrell came to meet Voldemort?
Did Quirrell have an encounter with vampires or was this story part of his disguise?

Quirrell could have possibly come across him because he wanted to have power, but he couldn't take bein ga Death Eater so instead Voldy made him do his bidding.


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I have a theory about why Quirrell went to Albania. The text infers that Quirinus was a very bright man with a brilliant mind. I think he's a Ravenclaw.

Perhaps during his studies abroad in preparation for his new DADA job, he decided to venture into Albania in search of the lost Diadem perhaps thinking it would grant him enough wisdom to teach DADA sufficiently. He would naturally be drawn to the same spot Voldemort is because I'm pretty sure Voldemort chose to hide out at the place he found the Diadem years before.

This makes the whole affair less convenient for me.

Another thing that bugs me is how Voldemort just happened to possess a Hogwarts teacher on Harry's first year of school. I attribute this to Dumbledore taking DADA much more seriously upon Harry's arrival at school and instructing Quirrell to go off and get some first-hand experience, which ironically leads to him being possessed by Voldemort and providing Harry with a very real defense against the dark arts lesson.


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This is a good question. I dont think it was a matter of power, on the contrary it might've been weakness As intelligent as Dumbledore seemed to be, some wizards were able to trick him throughout the book -like Quirell and Barty as Moody-, because he always thought well of other people, I think the reason behind that is that Dumbledore probably trusted Quirell, when he was working as a Muggle Studies teacher before Voldemort started controling him, so probably that's why he accepted his vampire story easily. In this matter I dont think Voldemort could've done anything, he was too weak to talk to Harry after drinking the unicorn blood, so before that I dont think he'd have been able to do anything except giving Quirrel instructions.

I like your theory about the Lost Diadem MasterofDeath.


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