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Cho Chang: Character Analysis
Welcome to the post-DH discussion of Cho Chang. Previous discussion without spoilers can be found here: Cho Chang: Character Analysis
1) When do you think that Cho's feelings for Harry began, and why was this? What were the extent of these feelings, and can they in any way compare to those that she had for Cedric Diggory? 2) Can we say that Cho is a pretty typical representation of a popular teenage girl when looking at her her actions throughout the series? 3) We see a male viewpoint most of the time when dealing with Cho, but Hermione provides the female perspective behind this. Quote:
4) Do you think that Cho was right to support Marietta after her friend ratted out the DA? What does her approaching Harry to ask him to forgive Marietta say about her personality and her feelings towards Harry? 5) Is Cho's jealousy of Harry justified, and if so, does this re-inforce the character's credibility as simply a teenage girl? Does this mean that she is a well-written and explained character, or not?
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Re: Cho Chang: Character Analysis
Well I for one am glad that her role in DH has been addressed no matter how miniscule it seemed to be. I remember posting in the pre-DH thread this question in addeum to the original few questions:
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I loved that she brought back Cho and she was helping.
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yes but wnating to be alone with harry...ginny put her in her place didnt she..at leat she came back to help.
i bet shes sorry she let harry slip away.tough luck chang
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HAHA yes nice try Cho!
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Yeah i think she was brought in purely to show she still has feelings for Harry...to show she lost her chance with him, they weren't right for each other, Harry admires Ginny for her strength and lack of weepiness and Cho was completely the opposite to that, hence why he couldn't understand her actions most of the time. Better luck next time Cho
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I was hoping that Cho would simply "fade away" and never be mentioned again, so I was annoyed that she showed up at the end of DH.
She could at least have said something like; "I'm here for Cedric!" But no she had to be shown smiling at Harry, and flirting with him by suggesting she show him Ravenclaw's Tiara on the statue. All the while sitting next to her "supposed" boyfriend Michael Corner!!! Good on Ginny for making it clear Cho's "help" in that area was not wanted. Ginny could read Cho like a book, and knew Cho would probably make a "move" on Harry during that time. Ginny was not going to have that minx mess with her man's emotions again. Cho has not changed. She is still as obnoxiously self-centred as in OotP. I can still hate her with relish!!!!! |
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Actually I don't think she was flirting with Harry at all. That's just something made up and for all we know she broke up with Michael Corner. She wasn't self centered but it's just that Ginny was jealous that's all. The thing with Cho is that she wanted to help, just as much as Neville wanted to help Harry with the DA to fight. I mean if you are going to assume that Cho's enthusiasm to aid Harry was just an attempt to be romantic with Harry (especially considering that everyone probably knows he's with Ginny now), then by the same extension we could assume that Neville and other DA members who were just as enthusiastic wanted to romantically invovled with Harry.
Plainly Cho wanted to help, not kiss. |
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If Cho had broken up with Michael, why would she have gone straight over and sat down next to him? She would have avoided him and sat anywhere else other than with him, yet it is mentioned how she went straight over to Michael. To me this is JKR's way of hinting they are still together.
And Cho was so quick to volunteer to show Harry the statue of RR. She jumped in before any of the other Ravenclaws could answer, and goodness, she's not even at the school any more, she shouldn't have even suggested it, but left a current Ravenclaw to do it. I can't see how anyone can miss her intent towards Harry. To me, that smile and the volunteering, is blatant flirting. She thinks she can get Harry back. She is acting as if the whole "ignoring each other" since Marietta's betrayal had never happened. She is the way she was in OotP before their "falling apart". She thinks Harry will go back to crushing on her and she means to do all she can to win him over again. I don't blame Ginny for being jealous. Good on her for sending Luna, a good friend and one she could trust, to avoid Chang getting her claws into Harry again. |
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) I find her retort just as funny as Harry's retort to Krum when he ask Harry who Ginny was.That said, I think Cho came back to help. Now, if she would've the opportunity to speak to Harry alone she would've said some unspoken things (since they never really talk and their "relationship" kind of just fade away. But I don't think she would've flirt with Harry, plus it wasn't the time.
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Besides, there isn't any evidence supporting that she's still involved with Michael Corner. Even if you look at the text: If anything that inclusion was more filler than "hinting" that she still was going out with him. Quote:
See? She given them their chance to help out. She let the spotlight to be upon someone else to think about the diadem rather than her. It isn't because she was quick to suggest taking Harry to the common room, but she was the first one with the idea to take him to the common room. An idea that should have came to other Ravenclaws but didn't. She was a seeker and quite a popular girl so of course she would be more of a leader of the Ravenclaws than anyone else and therefore suggest something first. I mean look at Krum, he was a seeker and therefore popular and very capable person. And it wasn't motivated by romance; but a want to help Harry. So moving on: There is no indication of flirting there. None at all. She volunteered because she's the oldest Ravenclaw there and therefore probably the most experienced in Ravenclaw matters or school matters for that mattter. I mean it's usually up to the more senior officials to lead so it doesn't matter if she already graduated from school, it's only been one year, it's not like she should sever ties from the school completely. I mean it's the exact same thing as Fred and George taking charge in the Hogwarts battle covering all the secret entrances. If we follow your logic about graduation (or leaving the school) why should they take charge on covering the secret entrances? They've left school, let some current student do so right? Quote:
Oh wow, Hermione must really like Harry for smiling at him like that. And she was quick to volunteer her help to aid Harry in his quest. Does this mean she is flirting with him? Well it didn't say he smiled, but he was smiling...at HARRY. And he was quite quick to volunteer his help for Harry. He must be flirting with him right? Since smiling + volunteering = flirting. Heck let's go back into the past: Oh wow. Cedric smiled at Harry and volunteered information for Harry about the Golden Egg even before any other Champion (or even Moody) got a chance. He must've been eager to flirt with Harry. Wow...Bagman volunteering help to Harry. He might not be smiling but I imagine being so chummy with him you can help but smile. Bagman certainly is a flirt. Basically said, you're seeing things that are not there. It might be your interpretation and I'll leave it at that, but by your own observations and when applying those same circumstances of your observations to other situations in the series...it is completely unlikely that Cho was flirting with Harry. Cho smiled because she was part of the cause, not because she wanted to be with Harry again. Last edited by DarwinMayflower; July 26th, 2007 at 9:01 pm. |
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I really don't agree with people saying that Cho was flirting with Harry or wanted to be back with him.
Puh-lease...look at the situation...there was an imminent war, and all the DA and other people had been appealed to come to the RoR...to fight. Everyone knew what they were signing up for, when they came into the RoR. They knew there was going to be a fight. And she still came, didn't she? I don't think that she would want to risk her life just for flirting with Harry or trying to win him back. Plus, the world and time they were living in at the time..it was war. It matures up many people...and something like flirting at that time is just childish and pathetic...and don't think Cho would do that. Just because she smiled at Harry doesn't mean she's flirting with him. She wanted to help, as much as Neville or anyone else did...and Ginny just happened to be jealous of her, which is natural for anyone to feel. |
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1. I think that Cho had feelings for Harry during book 4, already had them when Harry asked her to the Yule Ball. But they were not intense feelings, and she never felt as intensely about Harry as she did about Cedric.
2. Up until DH yes. But in DH she put her pettiness behind her and fought alongside the rest of the DA despite her feelings about Harry. 3. I think Hermione is spot on. 4. Cho was close to Marietta and she beleived in forgiveness. I dont think it was right to support her, though, because in doing so she put all of her other friends in danger. 5. Many people are jealous of Harry because of his fame: Cho is popular but that can't compare to how famous Harry is. |
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First, Cho is popular among her own house (unlike Luna) and she knows Harry. That makes her a natural spokesperson in this situation.
Secondly, while I don't think she was flirting, she would have been happy to leave a better impression then she did with an previously. It's something that happens. You know you made some mistakes with an Ex. Your in a platonic situation with them, and you have a chance show a better side of yourself and you have a chance to: A. Either shut up and live with it. B. Be helpful and show said ex they didn't date a total loser. The second is braver, riskier and potentially healing for you and your ex (even though Harry is over it). I think if Cho had led Harry to the common room, they would have parted with nothing more then a "good luck" from Cho and a wistful smile on her part at best or at worst a slower "combat reaction" and perhaps a tighter situation with the Creevy siblings for Cho and Harry rather then Luna and Harry and less amusment all around. All the Best, Lunatic |
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I think that Cho's actionw as as much motivated by, "let's let bygones be bygones", and "we've both grown up past petty disagreements".
There was a war on, she had obviously kept track of her Galleon, and whether it was solely for Cedric or because it was the right thing to do, she was there. I have to admit that with the reconciliations throughout the book (including that demonstrated by Hermione saving former rival Lavender), that it wasn't Cho who was the dying girl that Ginny was comforting on the grounds. I will wonder where Susan, Justin and Dennis were, and why Zacharias was in such a hurry to leave. However, Cho came through in time of need, and she deserves our respect.
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I actually don't like Ginny all that much, great witch that she is, and Harry's true love. She's too much what we call in French a "tête à claques" - someone so self-righteous and pleased with herself - and as bossy as her mother - you want to slap her just to put her in her place. Quote:
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Wow...Bagman volunteering help to Harry. He might not be smiling but I imagine being so chummy with him you can help but smile. Bagman certainly is a flirt. Basically said, you're seeing things that are not there. It might be your interpretation and I'll leave it at that, but by your own observations and when applying those same circumstances of your observations to other situations in the series...it is completely unlikely that Cho was flirting with Harry. Cho smiled because she was part of the cause, not because she wanted to be with Harry again.[/quote] Excellent post!
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To be honest, I have always found the inclusion of Cho as a waste of a character. I mean she's not developed at all and she was only used as a brief crush of Harry's. Yeah I know that happens to teenagers and how JKR wanted everyone to have a few relationships before they start dating the ones they end up married to and all, but I wish that either she hadn't bothered with it or that more time was spent on Cho. We hear brief things about her in PoA and GoF where Harry's totally caught up with her looks and then all of a sudden in OoTP when they date, she's the total opposite of what anyone imagined with all her jealousy and emotions and what not. Granted it was tough having lost Cedric but I've never been happy with her characterization though I did love that she stood by Marietta as she was the only one who stood by her in her tough time.
I have to say though, that I loved that she came back and fought in the final battle. She's obviously gotten past the whole Harry dating thing and there was a war, and she wants to fight. And honestly, I do think some of you are really blowing the whole Ginny-Cho thing way out of proportion. I read it as a funny moment in a tense situation as JKR tends to throw those moments in alot. Was kinda like the Harry-Krum moment to me. Quote:
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1) When do you think that Cho's feelings for Harry began, and why was this? What were the extent of these feelings, and can they in any way compare to those that she had for Cedric Diggory?
Cho liked Harry because he could comfort her about Cedric, and that he could help her through her emotional turmoil because he was going through just as much stuff as she was. I think they can compare to Cedric, I guess. 2) Can we say that Cho is a pretty typical representation of a popular teenage girl when looking at her her actions throughout the series? Not really. She dates Cedric, a good looking, popular guy, but she also Harry when he's like the most unpopular guy in school. 3) We see a male viewpoint most of the time when dealing with Cho, but Hermione provides the female perspective behind this. Quote:
I think it was pretty accurate. A female tries to interpret things like this much more than a male. A girl would understand, while a boy would just try to avoid it and get freaked out and uncomfortable, and just try to comfort minimally. 4) Do you think that Cho was right to support Marietta after her friend ratted out the DA? What does her approaching Harry to ask him to forgive Marietta say about her personality and her feelings towards Harry? She was not right at all. Marietta betrayed the DA, along with her best friend. It's the main reason why I don't like Cho. not sure about the second part though. 5) Is Cho's jealousy of Harry justified, and if so, does this re-inforce the character's credibility as simply a teenage girl? Does this mean that she is a well-written and explained character, or not? She shouldn't have been jealous of Ginny having Harry love her. It was her fault in the first place that she cries all over him and freaks out on him. She was just a teenage girl. But I don't think she was too well explained
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