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Old July 12th, 2007, 11:26 pm
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Cho Chang: Character Analysis

Welcome to the post-DH discussion of Cho Chang. Previous discussion without spoilers can be found here: Cho Chang: Character Analysis



1) When do you think that Cho's feelings for Harry began, and why was this? What were the extent of these feelings, and can they in any way compare to those that she had for Cedric Diggory?

2) Can we say that Cho is a pretty typical representation of a popular teenage girl when looking at her her actions throughout the series?

3) We see a male viewpoint most of the time when dealing with Cho, but Hermione provides the female perspective behind this.

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"Well, obviously she's feeling very sad, because of Cedric dying. Then I expect she's feeling confused because she liked Cedric and now she likes Harry, and she can't work out who she likes best. Then she'll be feeling guilty, thinking it's an insult to Cedric's memory to be kissing Harry at all, and she'll be worrying what everyone else might say about her if she starts going out with Harry. And she probably can't work out what her feelings towards Harry are, anyway, because he was the one who was with Cedric when Cedric died, so that's all very mixed up and painful. Oh, and she's afraid she's going to be throw off the Ravenclaw Quidditch team because she's been flying so badly."
Do you think that her summing up of Cho's situation is accurate, and if so, does this fit with what we think about how males and females view events?

4) Do you think that Cho was right to support Marietta after her friend ratted out the DA? What does her approaching Harry to ask him to forgive Marietta say about her personality and her feelings towards Harry?

5) Is Cho's jealousy of Harry justified, and if so, does this re-inforce the character's credibility as simply a teenage girl? Does this mean that she is a well-written and explained character, or not?


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Old July 24th, 2007, 1:59 am
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Well I for one am glad that her role in DH has been addressed no matter how miniscule it seemed to be. I remember posting in the pre-DH thread this question in addeum to the original few questions:
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6)Considering that Cho had an unofficial vow or promise to avenge Cedric's death, do you think that she has the personality to go through it? Should she be given a chance to help out Harry despite how JKR regulated her into the far background in HBP and even said that Cho would not be so important in future installments?
I found it to be great that Cho came through the tunnel in order to join in the battle, if only just for that. Not that I wanted anything more, because really...the book is chock full of enough characters as it was without the Weasley family included at the time. It goes to show that she did fullfill her unofficial promise, which was always something that stuck in my head when she told Harry this in OoTP. It's not so much her character that I like, but her declaration to be fullfilled.


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I loved that she brought back Cho and she was helping.


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yes but wnating to be alone with harry...ginny put her in her place didnt she..at leat she came back to help.
i bet shes sorry she let harry slip away.tough luck chang


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yes but wnating to be alone with harry...ginny put her in her place didnt she
HAHA yes nice try Cho!


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Yeah i think she was brought in purely to show she still has feelings for Harry...to show she lost her chance with him, they weren't right for each other, Harry admires Ginny for her strength and lack of weepiness and Cho was completely the opposite to that, hence why he couldn't understand her actions most of the time. Better luck next time Cho I wonder who she ended up with???


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I was hoping that Cho would simply "fade away" and never be mentioned again, so I was annoyed that she showed up at the end of DH.
She could at least have said something like;
"I'm here for Cedric!"
But no she had to be shown smiling at Harry, and flirting with him by suggesting she show him Ravenclaw's Tiara on the statue.
All the while sitting next to her "supposed" boyfriend Michael Corner!!!
Good on Ginny for making it clear Cho's "help" in that area was not wanted.
Ginny could read Cho like a book, and knew Cho would probably make a "move" on Harry during that time. Ginny was not going to have that minx mess with her man's emotions again.
Cho has not changed. She is still as obnoxiously self-centred as in OotP.
I can still hate her with relish!!!!!


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Old July 26th, 2007, 1:16 am
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Actually I don't think she was flirting with Harry at all. That's just something made up and for all we know she broke up with Michael Corner. She wasn't self centered but it's just that Ginny was jealous that's all. The thing with Cho is that she wanted to help, just as much as Neville wanted to help Harry with the DA to fight. I mean if you are going to assume that Cho's enthusiasm to aid Harry was just an attempt to be romantic with Harry (especially considering that everyone probably knows he's with Ginny now), then by the same extension we could assume that Neville and other DA members who were just as enthusiastic wanted to romantically invovled with Harry.

Plainly Cho wanted to help, not kiss.


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If Cho had broken up with Michael, why would she have gone straight over and sat down next to him? She would have avoided him and sat anywhere else other than with him, yet it is mentioned how she went straight over to Michael. To me this is JKR's way of hinting they are still together.
And Cho was so quick to volunteer to show Harry the statue of RR. She jumped in before any of the other Ravenclaws could answer, and goodness, she's not even at the school any more, she shouldn't have even suggested it, but left a current Ravenclaw to do it.
I can't see how anyone can miss her intent towards Harry. To me, that smile and the volunteering, is blatant flirting. She thinks she can get Harry back.
She is acting as if the whole "ignoring each other" since Marietta's betrayal had never happened. She is the way she was in OotP before their "falling apart". She thinks Harry will go back to crushing on her and she means to do all she can to win him over again.
I don't blame Ginny for being jealous. Good on her for sending Luna, a good friend and one she could trust, to avoid Chang getting her claws into Harry again.


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yes but wnating to be alone with harry...ginny put her in her place didnt she..at leat she came back to help.
i bet shes sorry she let harry slip away.tough luck chang
That's funny,

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Actually I don't think she was flirting with Harry at all. That's just something made up and for all we know she broke up with Michael Corner. She wasn't self centered but it's just that Ginny was jealous that's all. .. I mean if you are going to assume that Cho's enthusiasm to aid Harry was just an attempt to be romantic with Harry (especially considering that everyone probably knows he's with Ginny now), then by the same extension we could assume that Neville and other DA members who were just as enthusiastic wanted to romantically invovled with Harry.
Plainly Cho wanted to help, not kiss.
I don't think that Ginny was jealous for real. I think she said that just to mark her ground (Harry being the ground, ) I find her retort just as funny as Harry's retort to Krum when he ask Harry who Ginny was.

That said, I think Cho came back to help. Now, if she would've the opportunity to speak to Harry alone she would've said some unspoken things (since they never really talk and their "relationship" kind of just fade away. But I don't think she would've flirt with Harry, plus it wasn't the time.


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If Cho had broken up with Michael, why would she have gone straight over and sat down next to him? She would have avoided him and sat anywhere else other than with him, yet it is mentioned how she went straight over to Michael. To me this is JKR's way of hinting they are still together.
All I said is for all we know. There are plenty of failed romantic relationships that end up as good friendships. So you very well might as we assume that she's sitting beside a fellow RavenClaw because she's familiar with Michael. It's like Harry sitting with Ron or Hermione if he enters a crowd. It's not like Cho is going to sit with a Hufflepuff or some random Gryffindor. I mean even if you look at the text you see that the Ravenclaws are grouped together:
DHHe looked hopefully toward the little group of Ravenclaws, to Padma, Michael, Terry, and Cho, but it was Luna who answered, perched on the arm of Ginny’s chair.

Besides, there isn't any evidence supporting that she's still involved with Michael Corner. Even if you look at the text:
DHHarry’s mouth fell open. Right behind Lee Jordan came Harry’s old girlfriend, Cho Chang. She smiled at him.
“I got the message,” she said, holding up her own fake Galleon, and she walked over to sit beside Michael Corner.

If anything that inclusion was more filler than "hinting" that she still was going out with him.
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And Cho was so quick to volunteer to show Harry the statue of RR. She jumped in before any of the other Ravenclaws could answer, and goodness, she's not even at the school any more, she shouldn't have even suggested it, but left a current Ravenclaw to do it.
First of all Cho was not "quick" to volunteer. If anything it's because the others didn't think about showing Harry the statue in the first place. Cho came up with the idea first If you look at the text:
DH“Well, that’s her lost diadem. I told you about it, remember, Harry? The lost diadem of Ravenclaw? Daddy’s trying to duplicate it.”
“Yeah, but the lost diadem,” said Michael Corner, rolling his eyes, “is lost, Luna. That’s sort of the point.”

“When was it lost?” asked Harry.

“Centuries ago, they say,” said Cho, and Harry’s heart sank. “Professor Flitwick says the diadem vanished with Ravenclaw herself. People have looked, but,” she appealed to her fellow Ravenclaws. “nobody’s ever found a trace of it, have they?”

They all shook their heads.

See? She given them their chance to help out. She let the spotlight to be upon someone else to think about the diadem rather than her. It isn't because she was quick to suggest taking Harry to the common room, but she was the first one with the idea to take him to the common room. An idea that should have came to other Ravenclaws but didn't. She was a seeker and quite a popular girl so of course she would be more of a leader of the Ravenclaws than anyone else and therefore suggest something first. I mean look at Krum, he was a seeker and therefore popular and very capable person. And it wasn't motivated by romance; but a want to help Harry. So moving on:
DH“Sorry, but what is a diadem?” asked Ron.

“It’s a kind of crown,” said Terry Boot. “Ravenclaw’s was supposed to have magical properties, enhance the wisdom of the wearer.”

“Yes, Daddy’s Wrackspurt siphons—”

But Harry cut across Luna.

“And none of you have ever seen anything that looks like it?”

They all shook their heads again. Harry looked at Ron and Hermione and his own disappointment was mirrored back at him. An object that had been lost this long, and apparently without trace, did not seem like a good candidate for the Horcrux hidden in the caste. . . . Before he could formulate a new question, however, Cho spoke again.

“If you’d like to see what the diadem’s supposed to look like, I could take you up to our common room and show you, Harry. Ravenclaw’s wearing it in her statue.”

There is no indication of flirting there. None at all. She volunteered because she's the oldest Ravenclaw there and therefore probably the most experienced in Ravenclaw matters or school matters for that mattter. I mean it's usually up to the more senior officials to lead so it doesn't matter if she already graduated from school, it's only been one year, it's not like she should sever ties from the school completely. I mean it's the exact same thing as Fred and George taking charge in the Hogwarts battle covering all the secret entrances. If we follow your logic about graduation (or leaving the school) why should they take charge on covering the secret entrances? They've left school, let some current student do so right?
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I can't see how anyone can miss her intent towards Harry. To me, that smile and the volunteering, is blatant flirting. She thinks she can get Harry back.
She is acting as if the whole "ignoring each other" since Marietta's betrayal had never happened. She is the way she was in OotP before their "falling apart". She thinks Harry will go back to crushing on her and she means to do all she can to win him over again.
I don't blame Ginny for being jealous. Good on her for sending Luna, a good friend and one she could trust, to avoid Chang getting her claws into Harry again.
Apparently everyone else in the world. It seems that most people here don't think that Cho was trying to get back with Harry in the least. Let me see, a smile and volunteering help constitutes as flirting. Well let's see other instances of this ok?
DHAnd she’s still alive,” said Harry, “and she lives in Godric’s Hollow. Ron’s Auntie Muriel was talking about her at the wedding. She knew Dumbledore’s family too. Be pretty interesting to talk to, wouldn’t she?”

There was a little too much understanding in the smile Hermione gave him for Harry’s liking.

Oh wow, Hermione must really like Harry for smiling at him like that. And she was quick to volunteer her help to aid Harry in his quest. Does this mean she is flirting with him?
DH“It’s been. . . well, it’s not really like Hogwarts anymore,” said Neville, the smile fading from his face as he spoke. “Do you know about the Carrows?”

Well it didn't say he smiled, but he was smiling...at HARRY. And he was quite quick to volunteer his help for Harry. He must be flirting with him right? Since smiling + volunteering = flirting.
Heck let's go back into the past:
GoFFleur Delacour was sitting in a corner on a how wooden stool. She didn't look nearly as composed as usual, but rather pale and clammy. Viktor Krum looked even surlier than usual, which Harry supposed was his way of showing nerves. Cedric was pacing up and down. When Harry entered, Cedric gave him a small smile, which Harry returned, feeling the muscles in his face working rather hard, as though they had forgotten how to do it.

Oh wow. Cedric smiled at Harry and volunteered information for Harry about the Golden Egg even before any other Champion (or even Moody) got a chance. He must've been eager to flirt with Harry.
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Wow...Bagman volunteering help to Harry. He might not be smiling but I imagine being so chummy with him you can help but smile. Bagman certainly is a flirt.

Basically said, you're seeing things that are not there. It might be your interpretation and I'll leave it at that, but by your own observations and when applying those same circumstances of your observations to other situations in the series...it is completely unlikely that Cho was flirting with Harry. Cho smiled because she was part of the cause, not because she wanted to be with Harry again.



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I really don't agree with people saying that Cho was flirting with Harry or wanted to be back with him.

Puh-lease...look at the situation...there was an imminent war, and all the DA and other people had been appealed to come to the RoR...to fight. Everyone knew what they were signing up for, when they came into the RoR. They knew there was going to be a fight.

And she still came, didn't she? I don't think that she would want to risk her life just for flirting with Harry or trying to win him back.
Plus, the world and time they were living in at the time..it was war. It matures up many people...and something like flirting at that time is just childish and pathetic...and don't think Cho would do that.

Just because she smiled at Harry doesn't mean she's flirting with him. She wanted to help, as much as Neville or anyone else did...and Ginny just happened to be jealous of her, which is natural for anyone to feel.


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1. I think that Cho had feelings for Harry during book 4, already had them when Harry asked her to the Yule Ball. But they were not intense feelings, and she never felt as intensely about Harry as she did about Cedric.
2. Up until DH yes. But in DH she put her pettiness behind her and fought alongside the rest of the DA despite her feelings about Harry.
3. I think Hermione is spot on.
4. Cho was close to Marietta and she beleived in forgiveness. I dont think it was right to support her, though, because in doing so she put all of her other friends in danger.
5. Many people are jealous of Harry because of his fame: Cho is popular but that can't compare to how famous Harry is.


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First, Cho is popular among her own house (unlike Luna) and she knows Harry. That makes her a natural spokesperson in this situation.
Secondly, while I don't think she was flirting, she would have been happy to leave a better impression then she did with an previously. It's something that happens. You know you made some mistakes with an Ex. Your in a platonic situation with them, and you have a chance show a better side of yourself and you have a chance to:

A. Either shut up and live with it.
B. Be helpful and show said ex they didn't date a total loser.

The second is braver, riskier and potentially healing for you and your ex (even though Harry is over it). I think if Cho had led Harry to the common room, they would have parted with nothing more then a "good luck" from Cho and a wistful smile on her part at best or at worst a slower "combat reaction" and perhaps a tighter situation with the Creevy siblings for Cho and Harry rather then Luna and Harry and less amusment all around.

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I think that Cho's actionw as as much motivated by, "let's let bygones be bygones", and "we've both grown up past petty disagreements".

There was a war on, she had obviously kept track of her Galleon, and whether it was solely for Cedric or because it was the right thing to do, she was there.

I have to admit that with the reconciliations throughout the book (including that demonstrated by Hermione saving former rival Lavender), that it wasn't Cho who was the dying girl that Ginny was comforting on the grounds.

I will wonder where Susan, Justin and Dennis were, and why Zacharias was in such a hurry to leave. However, Cho came through in time of need, and she deserves our respect.


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1) When do you think that Cho's feelings for Harry began, and why was this? What were the extent of these feelings, and can they in any way compare to those that she had for Cedric Diggory?
I think she actually fancied him before he asked her to the Yule Ball but grew to like Cedric during that year. We don't see enough of Cho and Cedric together (and not filtered through a jealous Harry) to really gauge the strength of their relationship.

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2) Can we say that Cho is a pretty typical representation of a popular teenage girl when looking at her her actions throughout the series?
About typical for a girl of her age - especially considering the trio are atypical.

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3) We see a male viewpoint most of the time when dealing with Cho, but Hermione provides the female perspective behind this.

OOTP Chap.21"Well, obviously she's feeling very sad, because of Cedric dying. Then I expect she's feeling confused because she liked Cedric and now she likes Harry, and she can't work out who she likes best. Then she'll be feeling guilty, thinking it's an insult to Cedric's memory to be kissing Harry at all, and she'll be worrying what everyone else might say about her if she starts going out with Harry. And she probably can't work out what her feelings towards Harry are, anyway, because he was the one who was with Cedric when Cedric died, so that's all very mixed up and painful. Oh, and she's afraid she's going to be throw off the Ravenclaw Quidditch team because she's been flying so badly."


Do you think that her summing up of Cho's situation is accurate, and if so, does this fit with what we think about how males and females view events?
Given that the summing up was done by Hermione, it was probably accurate. Ron and Harry were being teenage boys then, it's not surprising they weren't as sensitive as they could have been.

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4) Do you think that Cho was right to support Marietta after her friend ratted out the DA? What does her approaching Harry to ask him to forgive Marietta say about her personality and her feelings towards Harry?
See above for Harry's sensitivity. Given people forgave Harry for things he did or had been perceived to do in the past, I think he should have been a bit more sympathetic, if not at the time then certainly later. I think she'd realised she and Harry weren't right for each other after their disastrous date.

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5) Is Cho's jealousy of Harry justified, and if so, does this re-inforce the character's credibility as simply a teenage girl? Does this mean that she is a well-written and explained character, or not?
I don't see any real evidence of Cho being jealous of Harry.


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yes but wnating to be alone with harry...ginny put her in her place didnt she..at leat she came back to help.
i bet shes sorry she let harry slip away.tough luck chang
You're being petty, Montse, and Ginny was being petty and unnecessarily jealous too. Cho had taken up with Michael Corner after Ginny broke up with him, she went to sit by him, didn't she? She just offered to help show Harry Rowena Ravenclaw's statue with the diadem. She never flirted with Harry. True, she looked a bit disappointed when Ginny pushed Luna forward to lead Harry to the Ravenclaw common room, but what's wrong with wanting to help an old love with his task, which is also, when fulfilled, avenge Cedric's death? Maybe she also wanted to make up for Marietta's betrayal by helping Dumbledore's Army, of which she was still a member. Maybe she wanted to tell Harry something about that, or be with him for a little bit for old times' sake. Give her a break, won't you?

I actually don't like Ginny all that much, great witch that she is, and Harry's true love. She's too much what we call in French a "tête à claques" - someone so self-righteous and pleased with herself - and as bossy as her mother - you want to slap her just to put her in her place.

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I think that Cho's actionw as as much motivated by, "let's let bygones be bygones", and "we've both grown up past petty disagreements".

There was a war on, she had obviously kept track of her Galleon, and whether it was solely for Cedric or because it was the right thing to do, she was there.

I have to admit that with the reconciliations throughout the book (including that demonstrated by Hermione saving former rival Lavender), that it wasn't Cho who was the dying girl that Ginny was comforting on the grounds.

I will wonder where Susan, Justin and Dennis were, and why Zacharias was in such a hurry to leave. However, Cho came through in time of need, and she deserves our respect.
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All I said is for all we know. There are plenty of failed romantic relationships that end up as good friendships. So you very well might as we assume that she's sitting beside a fellow RavenClaw because she's familiar with Michael. It's like Harry sitting with Ron or Hermione if he enters a crowd. It's not like Cho is going to sit with a Hufflepuff or some random Gryffindor. I mean even if you look at the text you see that the Ravenclaws are grouped together:
DHHe looked hopefully toward the little group of Ravenclaws, to Padma, Michael, Terry, and Cho, but it was Luna who answered, perched on the arm of Ginny’s chair.

Besides, there isn't any evidence supporting that she's still involved with Michael Corner. Even if you look at the text:
DHHarry’s mouth fell open. Right behind Lee Jordan came Harry’s old girlfriend, Cho Chang. She smiled at him.
“I got the message,” she said, holding up her own fake Galleon, and she walked over to sit beside Michael Corner.

If anything that inclusion was more filler than "hinting" that she still was going out with him.

First of all Cho was not "quick" to volunteer. If anything it's because the others didn't think about showing Harry the statue in the first place. Cho came up with the idea first If you look at the text:
DH“Well, that’s her lost diadem. I told you about it, remember, Harry? The lost diadem of Ravenclaw? Daddy’s trying to duplicate it.”
“Yeah, but the lost diadem,” said Michael Corner, rolling his eyes, “is lost, Luna. That’s sort of the point.”

“When was it lost?” asked Harry.

“Centuries ago, they say,” said Cho, and Harry’s heart sank. “Professor Flitwick says the diadem vanished with Ravenclaw herself. People have looked, but,” she appealed to her fellow Ravenclaws. “nobody’s ever found a trace of it, have they?”

They all shook their heads.

See? She given them their chance to help out. She let the spotlight to be upon someone else to think about the diadem rather than her. It isn't because she was quick to suggest taking Harry to the common room, but she was the first one with the idea to take him to the common room. An idea that should have came to other Ravenclaws but didn't. She was a seeker and quite a popular girl so of course she would be more of a leader of the Ravenclaws than anyone else and therefore suggest something first. I mean look at Krum, he was a seeker and therefore popular and very capable person. And it wasn't motivated by romance; but a want to help Harry. So moving on:
DH“Sorry, but what is a diadem?” asked Ron.

“It’s a kind of crown,” said Terry Boot. “Ravenclaw’s was supposed to have magical properties, enhance the wisdom of the wearer.”

“Yes, Daddy’s Wrackspurt siphons—”

But Harry cut across Luna.

“And none of you have ever seen anything that looks like it?”

They all shook their heads again. Harry looked at Ron and Hermione and his own disappointment was mirrored back at him. An object that had been lost this long, and apparently without trace, did not seem like a good candidate for the Horcrux hidden in the caste. . . . Before he could formulate a new question, however, Cho spoke again.

“If you’d like to see what the diadem’s supposed to look like, I could take you up to our common room and show you, Harry. Ravenclaw’s wearing it in her statue.”

There is no indication of flirting there. None at all. She volunteered because she's the oldest Ravenclaw there and therefore probably the most experienced in Ravenclaw matters or school matters for that mattter. I mean it's usually up to the more senior officials to lead so it doesn't matter if she already graduated from school, it's only been one year, it's not like she should sever ties from the school completely. I mean it's the exact same thing as Fred and George taking charge in the Hogwarts battle covering all the secret entrances. If we follow your logic about graduation (or leaving the school) why should they take charge on covering the secret entrances? They've left school, let some current student do so right?

Apparently everyone else in the world. It seems that most people here don't think that Cho was trying to get back with Harry in the least. Let me see, a smile and volunteering help constitutes as flirting. Well let's see other instances of this ok?
DHAnd she’s still alive,” said Harry, “and she lives in Godric’s Hollow. Ron’s Auntie Muriel was talking about her at the wedding. She knew Dumbledore’s family too. Be pretty interesting to talk to, wouldn’t she?”

There was a little too much understanding in the smile Hermione gave him for Harry’s liking.

Oh wow, Hermione must really like Harry for smiling at him like that. And she was quick to volunteer her help to aid Harry in his quest. Does this mean she is flirting with him?
DH“It’s been. . . well, it’s not really like Hogwarts anymore,” said Neville, the smile fading from his face as he spoke. “Do you know about the Carrows?”

Well it didn't say he smiled, but he was smiling...at HARRY. And he was quite quick to volunteer his help for Harry. He must be flirting with him right? Since smiling + volunteering = flirting.
Heck let's go back into the past:
GoFFleur Delacour was sitting in a corner on a how wooden stool. She didn't look nearly as composed as usual, but rather pale and clammy. Viktor Krum looked even surlier than usual, which Harry supposed was his way of showing nerves. Cedric was pacing up and down. When Harry entered, Cedric gave him a small smile, which Harry returned, feeling the muscles in his face working rather hard, as though they had forgotten how to do it.

Oh wow. Cedric smiled at Harry and volunteered information for Harry about the Golden Egg even before any other Champion (or even Moody) got a chance. He must've been eager to flirt with Harry.
GoF"Well, there you are!" said Bagman. "You have each pulled out the dragon you will face, and the numbers refer to the order in which you are to take on the dragons, do you see? Now, I'm going to have to leave you in a moment, because I'm commentating. Mr. Diggory, you're first, just go out into the enclosure when you hear a whistle, all right? Now. . . Harry. . . could I have a quick word? Outside?"

"Er. . . yes," said Harry blankly, and he got up and went out of the tent with

Bagman, who walked him a short distance away, into the trees, and then turned to him with a fatherly expression on his face.

"Feeling all right, Harry? Anything I can get you?"

"What?" said Harry. "I - no, nothing."

"Got a plan?" said Bagman, lowering his voice conspiratorially. "Because I don't mind sharing a few pointers, if you'd like them, you know. I mean," Bagman
GoF

continued, lowering his voice still further, "you're the underdog here, Harry. . . . Anything I can do to help. . ."

Wow...Bagman volunteering help to Harry. He might not be smiling but I imagine being so chummy with him you can help but smile. Bagman certainly is a flirt.

Basically said, you're seeing things that are not there. It might be your interpretation and I'll leave it at that, but by your own observations and when applying those same circumstances of your observations to other situations in the series...it is completely unlikely that Cho was flirting with Harry. Cho smiled because she was part of the cause, not because she wanted to be with Harry again.[/quote]


Excellent post! I agree with what you said. Although I do understand that Ginny could have been a bit jealous in that situation since it was her ex-boyfriends ex-girlfriend wanting to show him where the Ravenclaw common room was, I don't think that in that particular moment, regardless of Cho's feelings for Harry at the time, she wanted to help the cause, because of the fact it was the right thing to do, and because of Cedric and Harry. I really don't think they were suitable as a couple, but that doesn't mean that they don't have the right to hang out or be friends.


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To be honest, I have always found the inclusion of Cho as a waste of a character. I mean she's not developed at all and she was only used as a brief crush of Harry's. Yeah I know that happens to teenagers and how JKR wanted everyone to have a few relationships before they start dating the ones they end up married to and all, but I wish that either she hadn't bothered with it or that more time was spent on Cho. We hear brief things about her in PoA and GoF where Harry's totally caught up with her looks and then all of a sudden in OoTP when they date, she's the total opposite of what anyone imagined with all her jealousy and emotions and what not. Granted it was tough having lost Cedric but I've never been happy with her characterization though I did love that she stood by Marietta as she was the only one who stood by her in her tough time.

I have to say though, that I loved that she came back and fought in the final battle. She's obviously gotten past the whole Harry dating thing and there was a war, and she wants to fight. And honestly, I do think some of you are really blowing the whole Ginny-Cho thing way out of proportion. I read it as a funny moment in a tense situation as JKR tends to throw those moments in alot. Was kinda like the Harry-Krum moment to me.

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I actually don't like Ginny all that much, great witch that she is, and Harry's true love. She's too much what we call in French a "tête à claques" - someone so self-righteous and pleased with herself - and as bossy as her mother - you want to slap her just to put her in her place.
Hmm I'm not sure where your characterization of Ginny's as self-righteous and pleased with herself coming from but it's your own personal interpretation I guess.


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1) When do you think that Cho's feelings for Harry began, and why was this? What were the extent of these feelings, and can they in any way compare to those that she had for Cedric Diggory?

Cho liked Harry because he could comfort her about Cedric, and that he could help her through her emotional turmoil because he was going through just as much stuff as she was. I think they can compare to Cedric, I guess.

2) Can we say that Cho is a pretty typical representation of a popular teenage girl when looking at her her actions throughout the series?

Not really. She dates Cedric, a good looking, popular guy, but she also Harry when he's like the most unpopular guy in school.

3) We see a male viewpoint most of the time when dealing with Cho, but Hermione provides the female perspective behind this.

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"Well, obviously she's feeling very sad, because of Cedric dying. Then I expect she's feeling confused because she liked Cedric and now she likes Harry, and she can't work out who she likes best. Then she'll be feeling guilty, thinking it's an insult to Cedric's memory to be kissing Harry at all, and she'll be worrying what everyone else might say about her if she starts going out with Harry. And she probably can't work out what her feelings towards Harry are, anyway, because he was the one who was with Cedric when Cedric died, so that's all very mixed up and painful. Oh, and she's afraid she's going to be throw off the Ravenclaw Quidditch team because she's been flying so badly."
Do you think that her summing up of Cho's situation is accurate, and if so, does this fit with what we think about how males and females view events?

I think it was pretty accurate. A female tries to interpret things like this much more than a male. A girl would understand, while a boy would just try to avoid it and get freaked out and uncomfortable, and just try to comfort minimally.

4) Do you think that Cho was right to support Marietta after her friend ratted out the DA? What does her approaching Harry to ask him to forgive Marietta say about her personality and her feelings towards Harry?

She was not right at all. Marietta betrayed the DA, along with her best friend. It's the main reason why I don't like Cho. not sure about the second part though.

5) Is Cho's jealousy of Harry justified, and if so, does this re-inforce the character's credibility as simply a teenage girl? Does this mean that she is a well-written and explained character, or not?

She shouldn't have been jealous of Ginny having Harry love her. It was her fault in the first place that she cries all over him and freaks out on him. She was just a teenage girl. But I don't think she was too well explained


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