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Re: Ronald Bilius Weasley: Character Analysis
I wasn't saying the Ron would have been selected to be head boy; I was merely pointing out that I felt he was a good candidate for the position.
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Re: Ronald Bilius Weasley: Character Analysis
I agree Ron would have made a good Head Boy, particularly if Hermione was Head Girl as they always worked well in tandem, complementing each other. I can't see it would have mattered that they were in the same house as James and Lily were, after all. I think Dumbledore understood Ron's weaknesses (well, he gave him the illuminator!) but I think he appreciated his strengths too.
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I can't really see Ron being a good Headboy either. He doesn't care about standing up to rule-breakers. In fact, as a Prefect he confiscates their forbidden items for personal use. Ron is too easy-going to be comfortable in the role of the rule-enforcer and he cares more about people liking him than about doing his job. That's OK, not everyone is the same and happy in positions of power. Basically, he's no Percy. I think that others of his year would have done a better job and I'm convinced that Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw or Slytherin had a boy better suited for the position of Headboy.
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I'd also have to agree that Ron isn't really cut out to be Head Boy either, but not necessarily because he was not the best rule-enforcer. As I understand it, Head Boy and Girl were not necessarily chosen from among the prefects, so I'm not sure the Head Boy/Girl is required to play a prefect-like role. My take on it was that the Head Boy/Girl were like the Valedictorians of the class, the ones who were excellent students and embodied traits that the school generally approved of (like strength of character, etc). So by this definition, Ron isn't a good choice for Head Boy because he was a mediocre student. But just because he wasn't a good candidate for Head Boy doesn't mean he didn't do some extraordinary things during his time at Hogwarts. Hanging around with Harry made sure of that.
In general, I really like how, in the later books, Ron has some time to shine on his own without Harry being there (such as in the Quidditch match in OotP). This demonstrates that Ron isn't who he is just because he's Harry's friend - he is more than capable of doing great things even when Harry isn't around. He just needed a boost in his self-confidence.
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I don't know. I could see it both ways. He isn't the world's greatest prefect, but being named Head Boy could instill something in him that makes him want to be good at it. He's got the potential, although it is just potential.
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. So I think he worked out to be just what the house needed; the twins sometimes crossed the line, but for the most part they were just making life more enjoyable for everyone except Hermione and a few like her. As head boy, Ron would have likely been a tad more strict, but basically still well liked, easy to approach with concerns and people would thus, wish to listen to him because he was a nice guy. With Percy, I could see people trying to get away with things just because he was such a strict arm about everything - it would be hilarious for the young ones to defy him I'd think.
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Re: Ronald Bilius Weasley: Character Analysis
Harry has been banned. Don't you have a plan to do something about it? And where's Hermione??
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I think that given Ron's proficiency at Chess, he would have made a great battle tactician if Jo had decided to go this route. I could easily have seen him during the battle of Hogwarts directing people where to go and what to do etc.
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I don't think Ron's reluctance to enforce rules when it came to the twins is a fair assessment of his performance as a prefect. The twins were his older brothers and there were issues there with how they had always teased Ron and I think it was clear that their opinion mattered to him. One of the things Ron was most concerned about when he was made a prefect was being compared to Percy - partly because of the situation between Percy and the rest of the Weasleys at that point and partly because of how Percy's pompous, over-the-top style in his own performance as prefect and Head Boy had made others think less of him as a person. Ron didn't want to be viewed as someone who would put rules and "political" status above everything else the way Percy had done. The twins in particular had always been very critical of Percy about that aspect of his personality and they were both very angry and hurt by what Percy had done with both arguing with their father and refusing to speak to the rest of the family - including completely ignoring their mother who had always been supportive of him and defended him to his brothers. Nor would I compare Ron's style of performing his duties as a prefect to Hermione's because she was always one to go well above and beyond what was expected of her. I don't think anyone but Hermione would have tried to stop the twins from paying student volunteers to test the products that they had already tested on themselves - or threaten to write to their mother about it to make sure they did. Ron had his own style and - issues with his brothers aside - he did what was expected of him as a prefect. He handled the fight between Seamus and Harry very well - and Seamus was one of his friends too. He did all the duties assigned to the prefects by the teachers - i.e. helping to decorate the castle for Christmas. He didn't abuse his position to punish people he didn't like the way Malfoy tried to do - though he entertained the idea of giving Crabbe and Goyle lines, he never actually did it. Ron reminds me a lot of James Potter - who was made Head Boy in his seventh year - and I think Ron would have been just as capable of handling those duties as James was. He wouldn't have been the most strict about enforcing rules, but he would have done what was expected of him, IMO. People liked him and trusted him so I think he actually would have made a better Head Boy than Percy did.
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I think Ron understands people better than Percy does. This is an important trait in being a Prefect I would imagine. Percy's just about rules, but Ron would understand more why someone would want to do what they would do. He might be more leniant and I'm not sure if that's really allowed, but it might get more students to actually listen to him. Plus, he's already more well-liked.
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1. Ron is the sixth of the Weasley children. He has endured the hand me downs of his brothers most of his life (and has not always been pleased about doing so!), has been mercilessly picked on by his brothers Fred and George, and constantly complains about his family's finances; in fact his deepest desire in book one was to emerge from the shadow of his family. What influence have these factors had on the development of Ron? In what ways would Ron be different if his family had been different? If they weren't "blood traitors"? If Ron were once again faced with the Mirror of Erised, would he see the same thing he saw as a first year, or has he grown to accept his family more? I think Ron's family made him at once driven and despondent. He wanted to do well because of his brothers, but didn't feel it would matter if he did because they did everything already. I think in the end, he learned to stop worrying about competing with his siblings, and start focusing on doing well for himself. So, I think if he were in front of the Mirror of Erised today he wouldn't see himself as better than his brothers, he'd probably just himself doing well and his family happy. 3. Despite the issues Ron at times seems to have with being overshadowed by Harry's fame (most notably the Goblet of Fire fight), when it matters most Ron displays unwavering loyalty and friendship to Harry. In Prisoner of Azkaban, Ron stands between Harry and the then suspected murderer Sirius Black telling him, "If you want to kill Harry, you'll have to kill us too!" (PoA 17); he displays the same loyalty in Half Blood Prince when he tells Harry that he will be there on the search for the Horcruxes. How has the loyalty Ron has shown to his friends and family progressed through out the books? When faced with conflicting loyalties (the choice between Percy and Harry in OotP), what factors influence how he chooses his loyalties? Why do you think he left Harry and Hermione in DH? Why do you think he came back? What I like about Ron is that he's more than just your average cartoon-sidekick who is constantly at the hero's beck-and-call. Ron is an interesting character in his own right, who has his own personal demons and insecurities to grapple with. Although he's very loyal, he doesn't exist just for Harry. I think all of his conflicts with Harry and Hermione stem from his insecurities and fears of inadequacy. I don't think he truly dealt with them until he had to face them through the Locket. His insecurities came to a head in a very real way when he destroyed the Locket. It seems that like the Diary, the Locket had an ability to get inside your mind and play on your fears. 4. Ron's strategic mind, which we are first introduced to via his dominance in Wizard Chess, has been displayed in many different manners. How has his ability to think strategically helped Harry throughout the series? Other than the chess game in PS/SS, I can't think of a situation where it did. ![]() 5. What did you think of Ron's confrontation with his worst fears when he destroyed the locket horcrux? Do you think this helped him move past them? Yes. I think it helped to see them physically played out, before conquering them. I also think Harry's words afterward helped him realize that he and Harry were never in a competition. I wonder if the Weasleys really were trying for a girl when they had Ron, or if that was just a figment of Ron's insecurities. What would make Ron think that? What would give him the impression that his parents were disappointed that he wasn't a girl? 6. What do you think Ron's life was like post DH? What careers might he have chosen? I think he had a happy marriage with Hermione. I think he ended up becoming a lot like his dad- a gentle man with some eccentricities. As for career, Jo tells us he became an auror while occasionally helping George in the joke shop.
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I think Ron is often treated very unfairly by a lot of people and i have seen some crazy things people believe in regards to Ron, some people even claiming that Ron would grow up to be a wife basher. I really don't understand how anyone who read the books could form that opinion.
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Ron does love Ginny and does want the best for her and while he can be a bit interfering i don't think anyone can deny that deep down he wants what is best for her (including romantically). In fact Ron shows a lot more consideration for Ginny's love life that Ginny ever shows for Ron's love life. |
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1. Ron is the sixth of the Weasley children. He has endured the hand me downs of his brothers most of his life (and has not always been pleased about doing so!), has been mercilessly picked on by his brothers Fred and George, and constantly complains about his family's finances; in fact his deepest desire in book one was to emerge from the shadow of his family. What influence have these factors had on the development of Ron? In what ways would Ron be different if his family had been different? If they weren't "blood traitors"? If Ron were once again faced with the Mirror of Erised, would he see the same thing he saw as a first year, or has he grown to accept his family more?
I think Ron's family situation is what primarily contributes to his great sense of insecurity. Not only does he have five older brothers, but all of them are extremely successful in their own way - two Head Boys, one Quidditch Captain, the twins being two of the most popular guys in the school - while he's not really particularly great at anything. Although I think his role in the Battle of Hogwarts, along with age and a happy life with Hermione will have helped with this. I'm sure if he saw the Mirror now it would be more along the lines of the two of them leading a happy life with their kids. 3. Despite the issues Ron at times seems to have with being overshadowed by Harry's fame (most notably the Goblet of Fire fight), when it matters most Ron displays unwavering loyalty and friendship to Harry. In Prisoner of Azkaban, Ron stands between Harry and the then suspected murderer Sirius Black telling him, "If you want to kill Harry, you'll have to kill us too!" (PoA 17); he displays the same loyalty in Half Blood Prince when he tells Harry that he will be there on the search for the Horcruxes. How has the loyalty Ron has shown to his friends and family progressed through out the books? When faced with conflicting loyalties (the choice between Percy and Harry in OotP), what factors influence how he chooses his loyalties? Why do you think he left Harry and Hermione in DH? Why do you think he came back? I think Ron's loyalty as a person is often ignored. Ron is extremely loyal to those he cares about, to the point where (like when he got Percy's letter in OoTP) he'll turn his back on anyone who gets in the way of him and his mate. As for his leaving in DH, I tend to take the line that the locket really did a number on his mental state because of Ron's aforementioned insecurities. It was able to play on them and confirm his fears that neither Hermione or Harry gave a toss about him, so why should he bother? The fact that it took him so long to up and leave shows that he did try to ignore them, but ultimately his fears took over him. 4. Ron's strategic mind, which we are first introduced to via his dominance in Wizard Chess, has been displayed in many different manners. How has his ability to think strategically helped Harry throughout the series? Not many. I think JKR missed the boat a little bit on this one - we had a chance to give Ron some greater depth, but she probably felt that it would be a bit easier to limit Ron's intellectual capacity. 5. What did you think of Ron's confrontation with his worst fears when he destroyed the locket horcrux? Do you think this helped him move past them? I don't think he moved past them right then, but I definitely think that helped. I suspect that he only really got over himself once he realised that Hermione truly loved him, and that Harry truly saw him as his best friend. 6. What do you think Ron's life was like post DH? What careers might he have chosen? Well, we know he and Hermione had two kids. I think that after the battle he helped Kingsley and Harry rebuild the Ministry, but then went to work in the joke shop with George for a couple of years until George and Angelina started dating and Ron felt he didn't need him as much. Then he went on to become an Auror. He was an Auror for twenty years or so until Hermione forced him to quit, then he took a part-time desk job at the Ministry and went back to helping George in his spare time.
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It should also be noted that Harry seemed to have a slightly better work ethic than Ron did and Harry didn't exactly have a great work ethic. Ron had a lot of untapped potential that i don't think he would fully realise until post Deathly Hallow when he gets together with Hermione as i suspect being with Hermione will improve his confidence levels out of sight and Hermione will push him to be all that he can be. |
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This makes his character pretty interesting and beliebable. Also he doesn't know how to ackowledge his own merits, because by the time of his six year, he is prizewinner for special services to the schooll (2nd year) prefect, and quiditch player, let appart anti-Voldemort fighter, that is much more than what his sibblings did, but his insecurities seem to be so deep to himself that he just doesn't know how to overcome them. |
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To me, Ron doesn't seem like the Head Boy type. I think he saw himself as Head Boy in the Mirror of Erised because he wanted to be better than his brothers, not for anything else. Given his personality, I don't think he'd want to be Head Boy.
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