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Re: Ronald Bilius Weasley: Character Analysis
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Plus Ron is quite a approachable and likeable person and he also isn't the type to walk around the school like he owns it (like Percy did). Ron is also respected amoung the other students which is something Percy never had. Of course this topic doesn't really matter as we already know that Ron didn't go back to Hogwarts for his 7th year. |
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Re: Ronald Bilius Weasley: Character Analysis
1. Ron is the sixth of the Weasley children. He has endured the hand me downs of his brothers most of his life (and has not always been pleased about doing so!), has been mercilessly picked on by his brothers Fred and George, and constantly complains about his family's finances; in fact his deepest desire in book one was to emerge from the shadow of his family. What influence have these factors had on the development of Ron? In what ways would Ron be different if his family had been different? If they weren't "blood traitors"? If Ron were once again faced with the Mirror of Erised, would he see the same thing he saw as a first year, or has he grown to accept his family more?
I think that Ron has always loved his family, but yes, he's always felt overshadowed by them. He's never felt good enough. He's always felt that he is in the shadow of his siblings, and his best friend. I think this has given Ron a want for power, which, of course, can be a bad thing (Ron's want of the Elder wand, vs. the cloak or the stone of the three Hallows is a good example). But unlike the others of the story who crave power, the love Ron has for people (his friends, his family, etc. ) overcome it. In some ways, Ron's want of power and fame are second only to his wish to feel truely loved by someone and not seen as just another Weasley or a close second. The best example of this is when the Horcrux tortures Ron by saying that he was least loved by his mother, least loved by Hermione, and how much that tortured him showed. I think Ron, by the end, overcame these things. JKR, said that the trio did eventually make it onto chocolate frog cards, and Ron became an auror and married Hermione, gaining the fame (to a positive degree), and the love he'd always wanted. So I'm not too sure what Ron would see if he looked in the Mirror of Erised, but I know it would've changed. 3. Despite the issues Ron at times seems to have with being overshadowed by Harry's fame (most notably the Goblet of Fire fight), when it matters most Ron displays unwavering loyalty and friendship to Harry. In Prisoner of Azkaban, Ron stands between Harry and the then suspected murderer Sirius Black telling him, "If you want to kill Harry, you'll have to kill us too!" (PoA 17); he displays the same loyalty in Half Blood Prince when he tells Harry that he will be there on the search for the Horcruxes. How has the loyalty Ron has shown to his friends and family progressed through out the books? When faced with conflicting loyalties (the choice between Percy and Harry in OotP), what factors influence how he chooses his loyalties? Why do you think he left Harry and Hermione in DH? Why do you think he came back? Ron's loyalty has grown the most to the people he loves and who have shown the most loyalty to him, Percy turning on the family was traitorious, especially considering the besmirchment that the MoM was doing to Harry and Dumbledore, Ron chose Harry between him and Percy, because he knew Harry wouldn't have done that kind of thing (whereas Percy's turning was a low blow, but who didn't think it would've happened?). When it comes to Ron leaving in DH, it was his fears and his insecurites he was acting on. The Horcrux was feeding off these things, making him face them more and more, finally he hit the boiling point with them, causing him to explode and leave. As Ron said, he'd meant to come back right away, but his circumstances stopped him from coming back sooner. But away from the Horcrux's influence, Ron's positive qualities overtook him again, and his loyalty caused him to do everything he could to go back. 4. Ron's strategic mind, which we are first introduced to via his dominance in Wizard Chess, has been displayed in many different manners. How has his ability to think strategically helped Harry throughout the series? Harry, Ron, and Hermione (for any who have read Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them), are, in some ways, like a runespoor* (there are a few differences, but I digress), Hermione is the logical head, considering how her thought power is her most powerful weapon. Harry is the action taker, being one to act first (sometimes before fully thinking things through). And Ron is the planner, the tactican. Together they create a force that has the ability and the drive to think up a plan, make sure it will work, and carry it out. *For those who don't know, a runespoor is a three headed snake where one head is the planner, one head is the action-taker, and one head is the critic/skeptic/logician. It's in Fantastic Beasts. 5. What did you think of Ron's confrontation with his worst fears when he destroyed the locket horcrux? Do you think this helped him move past them? Firstly, the scene almost made me cry. This is the moment we're basically seeing Ron's heart. We see his loyalties and his bravery in how he saved Harry, his determination in how he kept trying to come back to them; as well as his fears, his jealousy, his pain. The locket showing us these things, shows us what Ron had been facing since we met him in the first book. In destroying the locket, Ron does help himself overcome these fears. 6. What do you think Ron's life was like post DH? What careers might he have chosen? Well, again, I'm going off of what JKR has said, and what I've filled in myself... So Ron became an Auror, like Harry (very fitting ), I feel that after the oh-so-famous kiss between him and Hermione in the Battle of Hogwarts, he and Hermione would offically be together and pretty much stay that way. Over the years, Ron and Hermione both get a good share of Harry's limelight, when the Wizarding World learns of their involvement of the destruction of the Horcruxes and the downfall of Voldemort. So by the epilogue, Ron has done something to make hims seperate from the rest of his sibling, he's gotten some (positive) fame, and he's gained the love he's wanted from Hermione <3 ![]()
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Percy wasn't that bad, but his pompous behavior and being such a stickler for the rules led to the other students not having much respect for him. As prefect and Head Boy, Percy was not all that effective. I think Mr. Crouch made the best point about Percy - he was a little too eager. Ron was definitely more approachable and people liked him. He did the duties expected of him and did not abuse his position like Malfoy did. Quote:
I think the twins would be a challenge for anyone really. They weren't all that concerned with losing points or getting detention. They never listened to Percy and were more embarrassed by his behavior than anything else. They weren't going to listen to Ron either. And they wouldn't have listened to Hermione if she hadn't threatened to write to Molly about what they were doing. However, I do think Hermione went a bit overboard there. I really doubt that there was any rule at Hogwarts that would forbid any student from volunteering to test the twins products. They had tested everything on themselves first to make sure it was safe and they were paying the kids who volunteered. Quote:
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However, every year, Ron did surpass his brothers and he never seems to realize that. None of his brothers helped anyone to prevent Lord Voldemort from stealing the Sorcerer's Stone. None of his brothers helped anyone figure out where the Chamber of Secrets was and how to open it so they could kill the basilisk. Sure, Ron does those things to help Harry - and his brothers would have done the same if they'd been in situations like that - but they weren't. Every year Ron accomplished something that his brothers had not when they were that age so he did stand out. He just didn't realize it because - to him - he was just doing what was right.
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Why Ron saw himself as Head Boy. He would be Head Boy. He would be on top. People would be looking up to him. He's always been the one looking up in his life. He would be the center of attention (well, share it with the Head Girl but that is of no concern). He would be Ronald Bilius Weasley, not Charlie's brother, Bill's brother, Percy's brother, Fred and George's brother, Ginny's brother, Harry's best friend. He would be himself. Harry would be looking up to him. At that time only one of his brothers had been Head Boy, so it's not just him following in other's footsteps, so much. It's power as well. Being the youngest son of 6 boys he's probably not had any power. He probably thought he could have power over Ginny, but she's the only girl and the youngest of 7, so any power he tried to wield was taken away by his older brothers protecting her. Does he really want to be Head Boy? I think he was more excited about being named Prefect than we saw on the page. He got to be in charge of something for the first time in his life (not counting taking care of Scabbers and Pig). No one knows what anything entails until they take it on. Being a Prefect is more than just making sure students follow the rules. I think being Prefect might show him that being Head Boy isn't all it's cracked up to be, except that he does get to use a pretty nice bath. It's one thing to be a Prefect and have younger students look up to him. It's another to be Head Boy and have the whole school look up to him. What he doesn't realize is that just by being an older student the younger students, especially the first years, look up to him. Quote:
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[this is all in agreement with what you said]
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I sometimes wonder if Molly did unconsciously favour Ginny over her sons and because Ron was closest in age with Ginny he was the one that noticed the most.
One thing that i have always thought about is Ron's really bad robes at the Yule Ball. I understand Fred and George having better robes as they are older and probably got them years ago but in the Yule Ball chapter no mention is made of Ginny's dress which leads me to believe that they were at least passable. That would be a huge hit to Ron's sense of self worth if Molly knew about the uncoming Yule Ball and gave him terrible robes and yet Molly only found out about Ginny going to the ball at the last moment and yet Molly managed to find the money to buy Ginny a reasonably nice dress while Ron had to wear something that practically screamed "I am super poor". |
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As for what you mentioned in the first paragraph it would hit Ron the most because he would never have any memorable I Am the Cute One moments. I mean, he could have them the year before Ginny's born, but he is too young to remember and for 9 months his mother's pregnant, as well as having to deal with his 5 older brothers, two who are the twins. His brothers are at least two years apart from each other, with the twins counting as one person in everyone's minds, so that they can experience being the cute one for that period of time whereas Ron doesn't really get that time. Bill and Charlie can share their time together because there's only two of them. Percy probably got cute moments when the twins were born because he's "Perfect" Percy. The twins garner attention being who they are. Ron gets left out in the cold. Plus, all his firsts have been experienced five times already, first words, first steps, first tooth...let's just hurry up and get him out of diapers, eating "adult" food, in a big boy bed, blah, blah, blah. Ginny comes along and it's all look at the cute little girl. I want her to stay little forever. That sort of thing. That's sad, but it could happen. She isn't upset that she doesn't want the baby, but it's not what she wished for. She might have cried hard about it. I could see her before finding out doing all sorts of things to "make" it a girl. In the Muggle world, superstitions are things like temperature and what you eat. I'm sure in the Wizarding World they have even more bizarre ones. She might have talked to her belly like the baby's a girl, even though she doesn't know.
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Its not just that Ginny is favoured by their mother but i think it would also upset Ron that his family do seem to treat Harry better than they treat himself. Obvious Ron is glad that Harry is happy at the Burrow but when Harry is there Molly fusses over him a lot and acts like Harry can do no wrong and the twins are also much nicer to Harry than they are to Ron as well as they never seem to give Ron a break.
I'm not saying that it is true but i understand why the horcrux told Ron that his family would prefer to have Harry as a son than himself as generally speaking the rest of his family did seem to be much nicer to Harry than they were to Ron. |
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All of the Weasley's had their own traits: Bill was cool, Charlie was a Quidditch champion, Percy was ambitious and successful and Fred and George were the funny ones. Ron and Ginny were a combination of all those. But because Ginny was a girl she had something which defined her. On the other hand, whilst Ron was the funny one at school and amongst the trio, at home the funny ones were Fred and George, not him. He had to settle for being their scapegoat and Percy's successor in Molly's eyes. I think she put much emphasis on pressuring Ron to "correct" what the twins did wrong, such as: causing trouble, not making prefect, failing their OWLS and abandoning the NEWTS. Rather than encouraging Ron to simply be himself. Maybe, because Ron was a sum of all the Weasley's parts she felt he was the most well adjusted; capable of succeeding at what he set his mind to and coping with the pressure she put on him. Yet apart from this, I don't think she didn't had a particular bond with him. Something which defined their relationship. With Fred and George it was their troublemaking. With Percy it was his success. With Bill it was hair and style. What it is with Charlie is unknown, because we know so little about him. With Ginny she probably wished she could be more feminine and girly, less tomboyish. And whilst Molly encouraged Ron to work hard and be successful, I don't think she went overboard. Which is good parenting in a way, except Ron desperately needed her validation. The one thing which really "connected" Molly and Ron was Harry and how she fussed and went overboard all the time over him. She gave Harry, Fabian Prewett's watch (Ron's uncle who died heroically fighting Death Eaters) and gave Ron a new one. Now, Molly probably thought that giving Ron a new one is the least she could because he's had to put up with hand me downs his whole life, but this was different. That watch had meaning and sentiment and she gave it to Harry. In the book, Ron doesn't have a problem with it, it's never mentioned. But I think it must have irked him and Molly not realising it shows how she isn't particularly in tune with Ron, what he wants and who he is. |
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You all are sumarizing what I said: she raised Ron like "in series" just another one after the last ones. She put pressure on him and she knew she was good, and talented, but she never made effort to build a particular bond with him because she was probably already emotionally tired after raising so many children.
Somehow I see more closeness between Ron and Arthur, maybe because they share physical appearance and also similar temper. Do you agree? or may I be wrong?
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I have no doubt Molly loves Ron but i think much of Ron's life Molly was sort of going through the motions in regards to being his mother as by Ron she was kind of sick of raising boys and i could easily see her putting most of her attention on Ginny being the girl that Molly had wanted for years. |
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I wouldn't say she's sick of raising boys, but she's also raising a girl, the only girl, so Ron loses the attention he might have otherwise gotten.
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I haven't read through all 17 pages so forgive me if this has been asked, but all this talk about Ron seeing himself as Head Boy and Quidditch Captain in the Mirror of Erised got me thinking: what do you think Ron would see in the mirror at the conclusion of book 7? He's been in the limelight and admiration of his peers a few times now. Obviously his Quidditch victory and the singing of "Weasley Is Our King" was a huge moment for him. As many of you have said, his relationship with Lavender, as superficial as it was, was pretty important in bolstering his self-esteem. Then there is also a minor moment, but one that I always noticed when DH when he, Harry, and Hermione return to Hogwarts in the Room of Requirement. Everyone is asking if they really broke into Gringott's and escaped on a dragon amd Ron takes this big silly bows and seems to enjoy the attention.
It would seem that many of the things desired when he was eleven have been realized so what do you think Ron would see if he looked into the Mirror Erised at the conclusion of Book 7?
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Hermione's love is ultimately what Ron wants. |
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Just loved the way you put it across!Well, I wonder about what the Locket Horcrux told just before Ron's destroys it: "Your mother confessed," sneered Riddle-Harry, while Riddle-Hermione jeered, "that she would have preferred me as a son, would be glad to exchange..." So was this just some horrible twisting that the Horcrux did, or did Molly really confess like that? I'm guessing that what Molly said was something totally out of context and Ron must have heard just this one line and ofcourse the Horcrux must have twisted it all up in his mind. Also, did Hermione ever get the truth out of Ron about how he managed to kill the Locket-Horcrux? That would be interesting to know....
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Molly didn't really confess that. It's playing on the thoughts in Ron's mind. Ron feels that she would say something like that.
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I just thought it might be so because when all his other insecurities are shown to be written as what he feels about himself, this line is written as a fact.
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