Ginevra (Ginny) Weasley: Character Analysis

[Drusilla]

I do find it interesting, though, that JKR had her being the one who became a writer (of sorts, anyway). Though I'd always imagined Lee Jordan in a job like that, I suppose he's better off heard live .

[Hermi0nechik92]

Originally Posted by padfootrules

I have a sister and we do fight a lot but I would never ever scream at her (she's elder to me) that way in front of others. For that matter I would never insult her in front of her friends. Siblings don't fight like that. Inside four walls it would be a war zone but outside we are fiercely protective of each other. Most siblings are. We are best friends and worst enemies but my sister would never call me a "filthy hypocrite" in front of my best friend. She might call me an arrogant stupid prat but thats a whole other story....
Even her husband finds it difficult to get dirt on my sister through me...

Well you've got to realize, a young, smart, powerful girl, of fifteen, who is quite popular, and is blessed with good looks will want to control her own life. Ginny is a very independant girl, who wants to be given more credit than she is. Especially by her family.
Now, think about the "inside four walls" Hogwarts, is as good as home to the students there, each house is a big family, defensive of eachother,just like sibilings can be. so after attending for five year, i'm sure Ginny's comfort level, is as good as home. They were in a deserted corridor, so it was just Ginny, Ron and Harry. Harry, as we know, had several, very different bonds with Ginny, he could be a protective older brother figure (not that she needed anymore), he could be her big brothers best friend (and a very close one for her) and over all, she always had feelings for him as more than a brother or a friend! So Ginny's comfort level was up around him, she had spent several months living around him, so it wouldn't seem like a big deal to do this around him.
Sibilings do tend to say things that they don't mean, and fights can get pretty heated."Sibilings don't fight like that" I beg to differ! Me and my sister go at it like crazy, as do my friends and theirs, be grateful if you don't, you have a better relationship than we do.
Ron, thought he was being protective, that he didn't want his sister to be thought of badly, Ginny took it as a control thing, like he was ordering her around, AND trying to control her PERSONAL life! Ginny did what anyone would do, she was defensive, and to defend yourself, you have to use the other persons weakness, unfortunately, that pulled Hermione into it."my sister would never call me a "filthy hypocrite" in front of my best friend. She might call me an arrogant stupid prat but thats a whole other story.... " Ok I agree with Yoana on this, Ron totally deserved that!
- ok i'm done babbling! haha

Originally Posted by Ifink2much

I suppose.It's just later when Rons with Lavender she doesn't seem bothered,even though it was clearly upsetting to Hermon,there's also the " don't pretend you understand quidditch comment",a bit too harsh if you ask me.We don't have many Hermione/Ginny scenes,but you get the impression that Hermione is very nice to Ginny and a source of comfort and consolation.I feel sad that Hermione had no one who was the same for her.



I find this true.But I will say that this depends on how you've been brought up,and what ur allowed to say.Even if I'm right,there are some things I can't get away with saying to my older sisters,and we're very open and close with each other.
What Ron said was wrong,but Ginny statements were intentionally cruel.That's bad

I agree with you for the most part here, Ginny could have been kinder to Hermione, JKR says that they are close, and that they grow closer as the years go on, so yes that is true.
Your second point is good, but, I dissagree with the third, Ron was a git, so he deserved most of what he got, but I don't think that Ginny was intentionally cruel, I think she was just defending herself, and new exactly how she could make her point, I don't think she meant it in a cruel way.

Originally Posted by padfootrules

It is very bad and then she goes and insults her brothers' friends!. When she said those things to Hermione I was very angry. I think she has a mean streak to her that none of her siblings have. Fighting is one thing but screaming cruel things (things that are too private and personal) and hurting people's feelings is a whole other playground. If I were to say those things to my sis in public my mom would kill me....

Ok, I've said this before, and probably will again, I don't think that Ginny was targeting Ron's friends so much as stating the facts, and defending herself. Also she never said anything too hurftul to Hermione "don't pretend you know anything about quiditch" isn't exactly a gut renching insult. Also, we don't see any of Bill or Charlie growing up, so we don't know if Ginny's the only one with a temper. We know Mrs. Weasley's got one! "NOT MY DAUGHTER YOU $*%^&"
Also, a dark deserted corridor, with nobody but her, Ron and Harry, isn't exactly what I'd call public. Especially because it's in a place that's as good as home to them!

Originally Posted by pandabear18788

I don't think that there's any way Ginny would've known that Ron was going to run off and start kissing Lavender after their argument. Sure, she could've yelled something like, "Why don't you just snog Hermione?" but it would've looked stupid and, if I were Hermione, I would be more uncomfortable with that than with what was actually stated.

I also feel like maybe what was said was being blown out of proportion, so here's how the fight reads:



So, yes, emotion got the best of her. That happens. What Ginny said about Hermione is no less damaging than what she said about Harry, and honestly I don't see how it's much of a problem. The fact that Hermione kissed Viktor Krum shouldn't be much of a big deal to bring up in a fight, especially not when emotions are running high. It's not as though Ginny told Ron something like Hermione's deepest darkest secret...

But if you still feel as though it the fight was completely out of line, I'm afraid that we must agree to disagree. Ginny was fifteen, caught in undoubtedly a rather embarassing situation, and became incredibly defensive which lead to some rather harsh things being said. I would not say that she was unprovoked or that her actions were ideal, but, again, she was fifteen and she's got a temper. She has plenty of time to mature and learn to control her temper, and , she did start to mellow out in the seventh book.

finally Well put!

[rowansjet]

You know for once, I'm happy to jump to the defense of HBP!Ginny. Ron was being an idiot plain and simple and deserved a kick upside the head.

However, I think it's the aftermath that needed reworking with regards to Ginny. The arguement basically screwed up the Ron/Hermione relationship because Ron got all jealous of Krum and went off with Lavender to get "experience". It was probably better that this happened in the long run so Ron could grow up a bit but even so, I'd be feeling pretty guilty if I was the catalyst for messing up my best friend's chances with the boy she likes. Instead, all we got from Ginny was a roll of the eyes IIRC.

[Drusilla]

She knew Ron was being an idiot...but he'd probably have hexed her for suggesting that he was going the way he had because of her revelation about Hermione.

[Beatifically]

When Ginny started insulting Ron, it did seem a bit harsh. (But, as a fan of Ron, of course it bugged me.) But I don't hold her comments against her. I have an older brother and we used to be horrible to each other! People feel they can hurt the ones they love the most because they know that they'll still love them anyway. This applies to Ginny as well.
It was interesting to see more of Ginny in the sixth book. In the previous books she wasn't nearly as feisty, was she?

[blue3ski]

Originally Posted by rowansjet

However, I think it's the aftermath that needed reworking with regards to Ginny. The arguement basically screwed up the Ron/Hermione relationship because Ron got all jealous of Krum and went off with Lavender to get "experience". It was probably better that this happened in the long run so Ron could grow up a bit but even so, I'd be feeling pretty guilty if I was the catalyst for messing up my best friend's chances with the boy she likes. Instead, all we got from Ginny was a roll of the eyes IIRC.

Personally, I don't see why Ginny should have felt guilty about it. It was Ron who was taking that comment way too far. As far as Ginny was concerned, Hermione kissing Krum had happened years ago. It was something that was in the past. Ron chose to focus on that and he made the choice to hurt Hermione by what he was doing. Ginny didn't mess things up for Ron and Hermione--Ron messed things up for Ron and Hermione.

Ginny could have felt a sense of "well, if that's the way he's going to go about things, then better that he's not with Hermione", hence the eyeroll.

[Ifink2much]

Originally Posted by Hermi0nechik92

Your second point is good, but, I dissagree with the third, Ron was a git, so he deserved most of what he got, but I don't think that Ginny was intentionally cruel, I think she was just defending herself, and new exactly how she could make her point, I don't think she meant it in a cruel way.

I have to disagree,I think that Ginny used words she knew would hurt Ron.He had upset her,I don't deny that, but it wasn't intentional,she on the other hand sought to offend.That's my opinion I'm afraid.

[blue3ski]

Originally Posted by Ifink2much

I have to disagree,I think that Ginny used words she knew would hurt Ron.He had upset her,I don't deny that, but it wasn't intentional,she on the other hand sought to offend.That's my opinion I'm afraid.

But to look at it from her point of view, Ron was similarly meaning to offend her. He was making insinuations about the kind of girl she was being simply because she was snogging Dean, and she was certainly not going to take that lying down. If Ron was going to insult and humiliate her in front of her boyfriend, then she could insult him in front of Harry as well.

Also, I got the impression that perhaps Ginny had also had enough. Ron was telling tales on her to Fred and George--tales which did not put her in a good light at all and were not true--and she had not really blown up at him about it, but this time was too much.

[Ifink2much]

Originally Posted by blue3ski

But to look at it from her point of view, Ron was similarly meaning to offend her. He was making insinuations about the kind of girl she was being simply because she was snogging Dean, and she was certainly not going to take that lying down. If Ron was going to insult and humiliate her in front of her boyfriend, then she could insult him in front of Harry as well.

We just see it differently,I don't see that Ron intended to offend.The insinuations he made could easily have been made by someone else who had found them,and they could have made their opinion more public.If a sibling is doing something that you think might hurt their reputation then you'd let them know,it's normal.He could have been more tactful about it,but his intentions weren't ill IMO.

[rowansjet]

Originally Posted by blue3ski

Ron was similarly meaning to offend her. He was making insinuations about the kind of girl she was being simply because she was snogging Dean, and she was certainly not going to take that lying down. If Ron was going to insult and humiliate her in front of her boyfriend, then she could insult him in front of Harry as well.

Agreed. He was way out of line here. He was so far past the line that he couldn't even see the line. The line was a dot to him!

If he's gonna throw around the word "slut", which is obviously what he was gonna say before Ginny interupted him, he should be prepared for her to open up both barrels on him.

Personally, I don't see why Ginny should have felt guilty about it. It was Ron who was taking that comment way too far.

I don't disagree with this either. She shouldn't feel guilty. Yet so often, in these situations, people in Ginny's position would still blame themselves for what happened because they were the catalyst for the situation. We're all full of these little self-doubts. Look at Harry and Dumbledore. Both blamed themselves for Sirius' death, even though it was Bellatrix who 'pulled the trigger' as it were. It's not logical, but it's human.

We just see it differently,I don't see that Ron intended to offend.The insinuations he made could easily have been made by someone else who had found them,and they could have made their opinion more public.If a sibling is doing something that you think might hurt their reputation then you'd let them know,it's normal.He could have been more tactful about it,but his intentions weren't ill IMO.

Only Ron was dunderheaded enough to think that two people kissing in a corridor was THE EVOLS!

[Drusilla]

Originally Posted by Ifink2much

We just see it differently,I don't see that Ron intended to offend.The insinuations he made could easily have been made by someone else who had found them,and they could have made their opinion more public.If a sibling is doing something that you think might hurt their reputation then you'd let them know,it's normal.He could have been more tactful about it,but his intentions weren't ill IMO.

The way Ginny let loose at Ron during that confrontation seems to suggest that they'd quarrelled about Ron's interference/nosiness in re: her love life earlier. And I don't think anyone who wasn't related to her would have dared to say what Ron said to her face, though. And her anger, IMO, was somewhat justifiable- he doesn't say just what he thinks people are going to call her, but we can easily fill in the blank- and it would not have been the same had Ginny been a boy, IMO. Ron certainly doesn't seem to bother about public opinion during his very public snogfests with Lavender, why should Ginny have to do it then? (for that matter, Lavender doesn't seem too fussed either)

[blue3ski]

Originally Posted by rowansjet

I don't disagree with this either. She shouldn't feel guilty. Yet so often, in these situations, people in Ginny's position would still blame themselves for what happened because they were the catalyst for the situation. We're all full of these little self-doubts. Look at Harry and Dumbledore. Both blamed themselves for Sirius' death, even though it was Bellatrix who 'pulled the trigger' as it were. It's not logical, but it's human.

Maybe Ginny felt a bit guilty, we don't know. But she may have decided to not let it affect her, because she knows it was not her fault at all. Ron was being an idiot, and if he was going to stay that way, then she may have felt Hermione was much better off.

[Ifink2much]

Originally Posted by rowansjet

Only Ron was dunderheaded enough to think that two people kissing in a corridor was THE EVOLS!

Originally Posted by Drusilla

And I don't think anyone who wasn't related to her would have dared to say what Ron said to her face, though.

umm..I meant malicious people who say things like that(kind of people who intentionally start rumours),obviously not her friends.
Lets just agree to disagree.

[Drusilla]

umm..I meant malicious people who say things like that(kind of people who intentionally start rumours),obviously not her friends.

Yes, but I did refer to things said to Ginny directly. She might well have just sniffed at rumours (as she did when she was going out with Harry), but this just happened to be a rather charged situation to begin with- which it needn't have been, had Ron not blown his top and gone on to say he didn't want to see her snogging in a corridor.

Lets just agree to disagree.

Fair enough :P

[Chris]

For a different Ginny-related topic...what do people think of her excursion to the headmaster's office to steal the Sword and also what do folks think of Snape's punishment? I think the punishment was the first truly clear indication in DH that Snape was on DD's side - he kept her away from the Carrows.

[Drusilla]

True, and well said- but she had no idea of it, did she? For all she knew, Snape would hand her over to the Carrows, but she took the risk anyway.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Drusilla

True, and well said- but she had no idea of it, did she? For all she knew, Snape would hand her over to the Carrows, but she took the risk anyway.

I'm sure she didn't know that Snape wouldn't hand her over to the Carrows...and I do wonder whether she might have attempted to run away from Hogwarts and towards the Trio had she been handed over to the Carrows. Pure speculation on my part...but it would have been a good excuse, IMO.

[Ifink2much]

Originally Posted by Drusilla

but this just happened to be a rather charged situation to begin with- which it needn't have been, had Ron not blown his top

But it also could have been a small situation if Ginny hadn't gone on to blow her top even more,so at best they're both even.

[Moriath]

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[Hermi0nechik92]

Originally Posted by Ifink2much

I have to disagree,I think that Ginny used words she knew would hurt Ron.He had upset her,I don't deny that, but it wasn't intentional,she on the other hand sought to offend.That's my opinion I'm afraid.

I think we too need to agree to dissagree!
my one request is that people ease up, Ron, out of all people, should know that Ginny has a temper! He should know that if he provokes her, he'll get a slap in the face, just as hard as his to her.