Heroes v2

[KDOG]

Wow so how will Peter regain his ability now? He doesn't have the absorbtion power anymore.

Anyways I bet Sylar will go to Pinehearst and get Peter out of there. Still Sylar was no match for Peter so he is definitely no match for Mr. Petrelli.

[Moriath]

They killed Adam. He and Sylar are the only villains I really care about because they have a motive and a background story.

The new villains are just evil without a cause. I'm immensely bored by these nameless threats.

[RemusLupinFan]

Originally Posted by GinnyIsGenius

According to Heroes Wiki, what happened to Adam was because after Mr. Petrelli took his regeneration power, his 400 years old age caught up to him. So, he turned into dust.

Oh I didn't get that at first, but that makes sense.

I like the direction that Sylar is going in trying to redeem himself. He was a creepy villain, but I like the idea of him learning to control his hunger. It seems Mr. Petrelli is the ultimate bad guy, the one pulling all the strings. I still don't know what he wants, what his motivations are yet, but I think things will get a lot more interesting once we fully understand why he's doing the things he's doing, and exactly why he's recruiting all of those people with abilities.

A few other thoughts: I strongly dislike the whole Mohinder thing. I liked it much better when he did not have an ability, and he wasn't putting people in gigantic spider webs. And I'm having a hard time taking Daphne seriously - she comes across as a ditzy punk to me for some reason. She and Parkman seem completely incompatible.

I'm so glad they showed how Hiro fake-stabbed Ando so he could infiltrate the Pinehearst people. I thought the whole thing where Hiro went to capture Mr. "African Isaac" was entertaining.

[Tenshi]

WOAH was the only sense of bringing Adam back to let him die an episode later? ARRRGGGGGGGGGG *tears out hair*

Mr Petrelli is most evil.

Matt was cute. He probably expected something like this
Matt: "Hey Daphne, you don't know me, but I saw the future. We are going to marry and make kids."
Daphne: "Oh, yeah awesome, lets start right away."


Oh and ...

High Five Turtle!

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by Tenshi

WOAH was the only sense of bringing Adam back to let him die an episode later? ARRRGGGGGGGGGG *tears out hair*

I KNOW!!! I can't believe they dusted Adam like that! He's my fave--what will I do now? I guess I'll just have to watch my old Alias dvds to get my Sark fix.

Originally Posted by GinnyisGenius

I've been considering whether they are going to change the past at some point in this Season. Some things seem so out of control, example Mohinder. Who can they fix that?!?! Unless they are planning to leave him as a troubled villain ... or kill him.

Yeah, Mohinderspider is unredeemable. The only way to fix that is to completely erase what he's done. And if they change the past, maybe Adam can come back! *crosses fingers and toes*

I'm still not sure how Mr. Petrelli's power works. At first I thought he sucked the life out of Adam and that's why he was restored. But after what he did to Peter, I see that he just sucked away Adam's power. I get why Adam died after he lost his power, but why did that restore Petrelli to life? Because he regenerated himself? Why did the writers kill Adam at all then? Why not just have Petrelli restored after he sucked the regenerating power from Peter? *sigh* I just can't let Adam go!

[other_one]

Lol, that last episode was so full of stuff!
I too like how Sylar, or cough.. Gabriel, is coming to the good side. When Mrs. Petrelli said that he was her son, I was like.. she's kidding! But for it to be real.! :o

And yeah, the Hiro storyline is hilarious!! XD

And with Matt and Daphne, I was like, he sounds loony! lol. If I was Daphne, I'd be scared out of my wits! lol.

[GinnyIsGenius]

Originally Posted by KDOG

Wow so how will Peter regain his ability now? He doesn't have the absorption power anymore.

Oh, I didn't thought of it that way. Nice observation. Like I said, another reason to go to the past perhaps?

Originally Posted by freelantzer

I'm still not sure how Mr. Petrelli's power works. At first I thought he sucked the life out of Adam and that's why he was restored. But after what he did to Peter, I see that he just sucked away Adam's power. I get why Adam died after he lost his power, but why did that restore Petrelli to life? Because he regenerated himself? Why did the writers kill Adam at all then? Why not just have Petrelli restored after he sucked the regenerating power from Peter? *sigh* I just can't let Adam go!

Seems like Mr. Petrelli wanted the power permanently at that time.

I'm sorry for your lost, freelantzer. You are taking it pretty well under the circumstances. I know I will freak out if that happened to Noah. In fact, I went into a semi-crisis when Mohinder shot him in the eye. ()

I wonder if having Mr. Petrelli steal a bunch of powers will tie someway to the formula and creating more synthetic powers? He just had a buffet with Peter! Anyway, now I kind of see why he altered Nathan's genes. Also, who is Sylar's father? Why was he ever given for adoption? Does Mr. Petrelli know about him?

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by GinnyIsGenius

Like I said, another reason to go to the past perhaps?

YES! That's it! That's the solution to a ton of the freakish things that are happening this season. In order to save the world, they must change something in the past. In previous seasons, they had to prevent certain things--save the cheerleader, prevent Peter from exploding, stop Adam dropping the vial. But this season, they have to change something they've already done because they're already living in a terrifying, world-shattering present. They must change the past! They will fix Mohinderspider, they will get Peter's powers back, and most importantly, they will save Adam! *cannot face losing Adam--looks around for more straws to grasp*

[KDOG]

Anyone else love the thing with Peter losing all his abilities?

I think it was a terrific move because lets admit Peter was becoming UNSTOPPABLE. Like ridiculously powerful and its great that the "main hero" for lack of a better term, is mortal and very vulnerable. And meanwhile unlike last season we have a ridiculously powerful villain.

[Moriath]

Originally Posted by KDOG

Anyone else love the thing with Peter losing all his abilities?

I think it was a terrific move because lets admit Peter was becoming UNSTOPPABLE. Like ridiculously powerful and its great that the "main hero" for lack of a better term, is mortal and very vulnerable. And meanwhile unlike last season we have a ridiculously powerful villain.

I thought it was lame because they never do anything else with this character. He either struggles with his powers or loses his memory of them. Every season is about Peter (re)gaining his powers and the next season starts with a reset in character development.

[dweaselqueen]

I am watching the episode right now. I just got to the first commercial break! I can't believe this!! They killed Adam Monroe!! I can't believe they did that, I loved that guy!

Ok, on with the episode!

Edit: Alright done with the episode now.

First off, I'm intensely relieved that Peter lost his powers. Honestly, he was getting way too powerful, and with Sylar's power on top of that, he was unstoppable. The only person who could conceivably stop him was Sylar himself, and he seems extremely reluctant to use his powers, and understandably so. Either way, at least Peter no longer has Sylar's power. I'm wondering if that was one of the powers that Papa Petrelli absorbed as well, or if that did not transfer. Regardless, I completely agree with KDOG that it is good to see a villian with a seemingly unstoppable wealth of power once again.

Perhaps this will make Sylar the only one who can stop the villians this season. That would be interesting. I'm also wondering how Peter will get his powers back. Will they inject him with the formula? Will that give him the same powers, or a new one?

I've had a lot of fun so far watching the Sylar/Peter relationship. Sylar is trying so hard. Maybe now that Peter is powerless, he will be able to help Sylar more. It's so weird seeing them on the same side.

As for Hiro and Ando, I was so relieved that Hiro faked the death. That was awesome. Thank you Hiro! And I thought the African Mr. Issac (I Hiro! ) had an excellent point. Many of our heroes are getting to reliant on their powers, particularly Hiro and Peter. They need to remember to stop and think.

Also, Matt and Daphne finally met. I love Matt. He is one of my few original favorites who I can honestly say I still love and respect. Matt is adorable. The gag with the turtle cracks me up. And he is so insistent with Daphne. I don't blame her for being creeped out a bit, but I hope she'll learn to trust Matt soon. I wonder what it is that Parkhurst is doing for her....I'm sure Matt will figure it out (he can read her thoughts after all) and I'm sure he'll figure out a way to help her.

Now Nathan, Tracy and Mohinder.... Mohinder upsets me as much as Peter. He is becoming truly disgusting and his powers are scary. I have to admit, Tracy is stronger then she seems. This was the first time I rooted for her, when she iced Mohinder and tried to escape. I wonder how many more heroes are going to end up on Mohinder's wall before someone stops it. I'd kinda hoped Daphne would do something, since she can actually outrun him...but I guess not. This is getting ridiculous!

And Claire...I loved that her mother teamed up with her. One of us, one of them. Loved it. It's about time she got her chance to shine. I knew she was going to have to shoot Claire, but that was awesome! Mrs. Bennet is finally earning some respect. She's more then the PTA mom now! Go girl!

Edit2: Sorry, I know this post is already way too long but....

originally posted by freelantzer
YES! That's it! That's the solution to a ton of the freakish things that are happening this season. In order to save the world, they must change something in the past. In previous seasons, they had to prevent certain things--save the cheerleader, prevent Peter from exploding, stop Adam dropping the vial. But this season, they have to change something they've already done because they're already living in a terrifying, world-shattering present. They must change the past! They will fix Mohinderspider, they will get Peter's powers back, and most importantly, they will save Adam! *cannot face losing Adam--looks around for more straws to grasp*

Genius!!! I think you two are on to something! That's why Hiro is so adamant about not going back in time! Because before long he is absolutely going to need to. But what? What would they change? Would they go back and make sure Papa Petrelli was actually dead? Would Hiro go back and not open up the formula? Would Hiro stop Peter from going to the future? What they stop Sylar from abusing Claire? What would they change???

So many questions...so little time.

[RemusLupinFan]

Originally Posted by Moriath

Every season is about Peter (re)gaining his powers and the next season starts with a reset in character development.

Yeah I kind of feel that way too. I wish they'd give another character a chance in the spotlight instead of having the majority of the storyline be centered about Peter.

Also, I wasn't thrilled they killed Adam either. But perhaps his usefulness to the story was coming to an end for the writers, so they offed him.

[dweaselqueen]

originally posted by RemusLupinFan
Also, I wasn't thrilled they killed Adam either. But perhaps his usefulness to the story was coming to an end for the writers, so they offed him.

Then why even dig him up? No, Mama Petrelli thought he was the key to solving the mystery of Pinehearst, therefore, he must have had some role to play other then being offed by Papa Petrelli. We didn't even get a chance to find out why she thought he was important.

I have high hopes for this changing the past thing. Then we won't have Mohinderspider! or Adam dead.

Also, I thought of this after I watched the episode last night: Did Peter's whole "I'm evil and I love the power" bit remind anyone else of Peter Parker in Spiderman 3? Even his hair reminded me of Parker's descent into evil....and it's just about as annoying a storyline. Why do writers insist on soiling our white knights? Even if Peter has lost all his powers, including the hunger, I have lost a lot of love for him.

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by dweaselqueen

Perhaps this will make Sylar the only one who can stop the villians this season. That would be interesting. I'm also wondering how Peter will get his powers back. Will they inject him with the formula? Will that give him the same powers, or a new one?

Yeah, it would be fascinating and a nice twist if the heroes had to rely on Sylar for their salvation. I'd like to see how that plays out.

And I was wondering the same thing about Peter. In a way, I want him to get his old power back because it is really the coolest power. And usually I love that Peter's the most powerful hero because he's so pure-hearted. But it might also be interesting to see him work with a new power . . . although as I type that, I take it back because that's basically all he's ever done--absorb new powers and kick booty with them. So that's not new or interesting really. But I do think seeing Peter struggle with being stripped of his powers will be interesting. It's like Mr. African Isaac said--he relies on his powers too much.

Originally Posted by dweaselqueen

the African Mr. Issac (I Hiro! )

I know! I love Hiro! He has such a sweet, innocent quality sometimes. I love when he yells, "Flying man!" every time he sees Nathan. And I love when he puts both hands in the air and makes that triumphant whoop when he's done something great. So cute!

Originally Posted by dweaselqueen

One of us, one of them. Loved it. It's about time she got her chance to shine. I knew she was going to have to shoot Claire, but that was awesome! Mrs. Bennet is finally earning some respect. She's more then the PTA mom now! Go girl!

Yeah, she's not the same lady who pampered and gooed over Mr. Muggles, is she? I love how she's evolved from clueless, deceived housewife, to savvy woman of action. Now that I think about it, she's had one of the best character arcs on the show.

Originally Posted by dweaselqueen

Then why even dig him up? No, Mama Petrelli thought he was the key to solving the mystery of Pinehearst, therefore, he must have had some role to play other then being offed by Papa Petrelli. We didn't even get a chance to find out why she thought he was important.

Yeah! Why dig him up just to unceremoniously dust him like that!!! That makes me angry! But you're right--what does he know that will help them save the world? Why did Angela think he could help Hiro? We must get the answers to these questions! And remember--he was in Angela's dream of the future--the one where the heroes were dead and the villains were standing there--Adam was there! So maybe we will see him again. The question is, how do you come back from a pile of dust . . .

[Redhart]

Originally Posted by freelantzer

I know! I love Hiro! He has such a sweet, innocent quality sometimes. I love when he yells, "Flying man!" every time he sees Nathan. And I love when he puts both hands in the air and makes that triumphant whoop when he's done something great. So cute!

I adore Hiro, too

Yeah, she's not the same lady who pampered and gooed over Mr. Muggles

But, *I* want more Mr. Muggles!!!! Where has he been? Only a few, brief cameos....so unfair!

The question is, how do you come back from a pile of dust . . .

A little water, a little glue, a little time-travel-- Hey, this is fantasy/sci-fi/fiction. It's sorta like Star Trek--no one was ever really dead in Star Trek either (unless they were wearing a red shirt). There was always a way to bring them back.

Well, unless he wanted too much money when they re-negotiated his contract

[freelantzer]

I agree, Redhart. I miss Mr. Muggles, too! But how hilarious was it when Sylar was gooing him in the future?

And I love your water and glue idea . . . I could work with that.
As for David Anders, I seriously doubt he asked for too much money. He hasn't done a recurring TV role since Alias, so I bet he was just glad to be part of Heroes. Sigh . . . Adam.

[GinnyIsGenius]

Ummm, I know I'm going to argue against my own point of "changing the past" , but ... the reason why everything that's happening right now is BECAUSE Future Peter came to the back to shot Nathan, thus changing his past ...
That was all this talk Angela Petrelli had with Future Peter about the Butterfly Effect. He thought that by preventing Nathan from outing people with abilities he would prevent his future. But then new, messed up thing started happening, the villains escaped Level 5, taking Peter to the future where he got Sylar's ability, etc. So, we ARE in this mess because the "past" was changed ... In fact, in Episode 2 Angela dream a bunch of Heroes were dead and in came this four ...



while Sylar stood behing Angela.

So, this isn't going to happen now? Or is this a sign that somehow Adam will come back?
Does that mean that we must go back and not shoot Nathan and let things be?

Another thing about Adam:
I think they dug him out precisely as a way to give Mr. Petrelli the regeneration power. Sadly, he was more dispensable than the other heroes with that ability. Also, this way Arthur has the regeneration power permanently, instead of giving him just a blood sample.

Also, What Angela said to Hiro was that someone powerful was manipulating things (the formulas being stolen) and that Hiro held the key to saving them. she never directly mentioned that the key was Adam, we just see Hiro digging Adam out. Maybe this was Hiro's idea? What if she meant Hiro's power? Or something she saw in one of her dreams that Hiro (and us) have no idea of?

About who healed Nathan: Do we know if Peter has/had Linderman's power?

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by GinnyIsGenius

Another thing about Adam:
I think they dug him out precisely as a way to give Mr. Petrelli the regeneration power. Sadly, he was more dispensable than the other heroes with that ability. Also, this way Arthur has the regeneration power permanently, instead of giving him just a blood sample.

Yes, I agree that's why Petrelli wanted them to bring Adam to him. But the same thing could have been acheived by him taking all of Peter's powers from him (which he did anyway). Then he would have had the regenerating power without killing Adam. So there was no reason for them to do that other than getting rid of Adam.

And I agree that they probably are not going to change the past. It's just a pipe dream of mine so I can get my Adam back. Plus, I see no other way to redeem Mohinder. Maybe they're just going to kill him, too. At this point, I'd probably cheer if they suddenly dusted Mohinderspider.

And I think that Angela really did tell Hiro to dig Adam up. They just didn't show her saying it--cut right to the coffin opening--because that's more suspenseful.

[GinnyIsGenius]

Originally Posted by freelantzer

And I think that Angela really did tell Hiro to dig Adam up. They just didn't show her saying it--cut right to the coffin opening--because that's more suspenseful.

But why would Angela tell Hiro that when she had a dream where she saw Adam was standing with the villains? That's why things don't add up to me.

The regeneration ability thing, I do get your point and I pretty much agree too, But I guess Adam was the easiest choice, as Arthur is still Peter's dad. I don't think he planned to take Peter's abilities. Though you know, the Petrellis are weird parents.

[freelantzer]

Ah good point about Angela's dream and Adam being there. I hadn't thought of that and now I'm confused.

Originally Posted by GinnyIsGenius

But I guess Adam was the easiest choice, as Arthur is still Peter's dad. I don't think he planned to take Peter's abilities. Though you know, the Petrellis are weird parents.

But he could take Peter's power without hurting Peter at all (like he did at the end of the eppy). The only reason Adam died was because he was 400 years old and nature took it's course once his regeneration power was gone. Petrelli could have gotten the same power from Peter without killing anyone. But yeah, I agree that he wouldn't have planned that.

Although I do think that once Peter walked in, he intended to take Peter's powers to keep him from using them on him. That's why he was all--"Give Daddy a hug, nothing to fear, son."