Heroes v2

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by GinnyIsGenius

Actually, in the Heroes Graphic Novels Meredith can turn her whole body into a flame and be completely immune to any harm ... Maybe her power will eventually develop on TV.

That is really cool! And thanks for the info on Flint's power. I'll have to look into this wiki thing.

Originally Posted by GinnyIsGenius

Does anyone else thinks that Arthur altered Angela's brain to get rid of baby Gabriel? I wonder how that worked out. Couldn't she remember? Did she remembered after Linderman healed her? Why not say anything until now? So many questions about that.

Oooh, great catch! Yes, Arthur totally could have altered Angela's mind to get rid of baby Gabriel. And it seems kind of likely, since she was the dutiful wife until Linderman healed her and she realized Nathan was in danger. That's what turned her into the ruthless woman we love. So she was probably manipulated by Arthur to get rid of Gabriel. As to the question of why this is only being mentioned now, my only cynical answer can be: the writers are only thinking of this storyline now.

Originally Posted by DancingMaenid

I wonder if the Sylar thing is going to come back to bite HRG. Claire is already mad at him because he tried to get the innocent Vortex Dude to kill Sylar. And she's angry that Sylar hunted and victimized her. So what would happen if she found out that HRG was the one who helped Sylar turn into a full-fledged killer?

Another good catch! Yes, I'm sure Claire would be even more disgusted with HRG if she found out that he was instrumental in turning Sylar into a killer. That might be the end of their relationship altogether.

Originally Posted by DancingMaenid

Which is ironic, since you'd think they'd be able to foresee their deaths (Isaac did, but it didn't do him much good...).

True! And didn't they just show how Mr. African Isaac can totally anticipate threats and evade them like he did to Hiro an episode or two ago?

[KDOG]

This episode rocked! Crazy how Sylar and Elle hooked up. Next week looks amazing.

The Hiro stuff was such a waste of time but kind of funny.

[freelantzer]

The Hiro stuff was kind of funny and brought him back to innocence the way we first met him. It reminded me why I loved him so much in season 1. That being said, it also bothered me quite a bit because it was just a recycled storyline we've already seen before. Lazy writing? Or hopefully, it's leading somewhere interesting in the next few eppys. If not, I'll be really disappointed.

I enjoyed the scenes between Elle and Sylar. So did Sylar hone his power-absorbing ability so that he's like Peter now? And all that was keeping him from absorbing powers naturally was compassion? Doesn't quite make sense to me. And I'm not sure I like that Sylar's been "neutered" in a way. What happened to our badass villain that we all loved? I was liking his struggle with controlling himself; I liked watching him walk the moral tight rope. He reminded me of HRG a bit--morally grey. I hope he doesn't go all good guy on us now. I mean, I know he's "working" with Arthur, but is he really? I think he's really loyal to Angela, in which case, he's on the good side and now he's using his powers for good, too? No more internal struggle? Yep, he's definitely been neutered. I preferred when he was trying to be good, but he still had that underlying threat that he might not be able to control himself.

And I'm also not sure how I feel about Claire being the catalyst. I don't know what that means exactly, but at least it links back to Sylar's comments when he took off her head.

Still not feeling Mohinderspider. Is that patient they're using for a lab experiment an example of what Mohinder has to look forward to? Maybe the upcoming eclipse will cure Mohinder of his icky spidery qualities.

And speaking of the previews for next week--the eclipse comes and they all lose their powers? And what ridiculous thing are the writers going to pull out of a hat to fix everything and get the powers back? Or are we going to be watching a show about regular people until the next eclipse? What's the show going to be called now, People?

I don't know. My initial response is that it just doesn't sit quite right. I need to watch it again and think about it some more before I'm firm in my thoughts.

[GinnyIsGenius]

O-M-G! I spent a whole hour waiting for the darned eclipse!!!!
Anyway, next week ... ... next week.

Originally Posted by freelantzer

So did Sylar hone his power-absorbing ability so that he's like Peter now? And all that was keeping him from absorbing powers naturally was compassion?

I'm not sure if it was compassion. I think he hadn't tap into his real power yet because, like Elle, they are both troubled souls. He said that her father made her a monster just like his mother made him a monster. (Made me question whether he truly believes Angela's side of the story, since he really didn't have a reason to lie to Elle. ... unless he knew Arthur was watching their exchange ... ) So, I guess they both needed t forgive themselves for the thing they had done because of their parents ... sort of ... I saw it as self-acceptance.

I still don't understand. I'm confuse. Does Sylar still have his intuitive aptitude ability (his previous one) and now he just knows how to do it without opening up skulls ... OR was he a "plain" empath (like Peter) all the time?

That said, they were kind of cute. All signs points to Elle being Sylar's baby mama ... which still doesn't answer the question of why the HECK would they name him Noah! I guess that link is still to come.

Originally Posted by KDOG

The Hiro stuff was such a waste of time but kind of funny.

Yes, it was.
It was even funnier that the whole episode was so somber and somewhat intense, and then, out of the blue comes 10 year old Hiro with his pranks. I enjoyed the pretty blunt change of pace of the episode. That was funny by itself.

Originally Posted by freelantzer

That being said, it also bothered me quite a bit because it was just a recycled storyline we've already seen before. Lazy writing? Or hopefully, it's leading somewhere interesting in the next few eppys. If not, I'll be really disappointed.

I think that Hiro somewhat needed that as a character. To go back. I mean, he wasn't completely corrupted. He still had good intentions at heart. But he was pushing to hard to be a hero, only screwing things up. I think he needed to go back to his innocence and just enjoy the ride.

Originally Posted by freelantzer

And speaking of the previews for next week--the eclipse comes and they all lose their powers? And what ridiculous thing are the writers going to pull out of a hat to fix everything and get the powers back? Or are we going to be watching a show about regular people until the next eclipse? What's the show going to be called now, People?

So they are going to be powerless ...
Wow! Hugeeeeeeee surprise. Kind of cool. Ha!
I'm wondering how the Eclipse is going to affect Peter and Maya who don't have powers at this moment? Can the upcoming eclipse bring them back? So they be the only 2 with powers? And I wonder if the formula will play out as they way in which they can regain powers?

What about Tracy Strauss?!?! What a sellout! Actually, I enjoy Ali Larter more as a villain. I'm afraid to say. Also, I was glad to see Nathan fly. Always a hoot. And the only thing I like about Claire possibly being the catalyst is that it almost assures me that I'm going to get more Noah Bennet. I demand more NOAH! ... and maybe some Haitian too!

[Moriath]

I liked this episode better than the previous ones. Kristen Bell is a fantastic actress and seeing Elle and Gabriel heal each other was really touching. More of those two, please. First non-annoying love story on Heroes since Hiro/Yaeko.

And who would have thought that Mr Petrelli actually has a heart? It's small and black but still beating.

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by GinnyIsGenius

Actually, I enjoy Ali Larter more as a villain. I'm afraid to say.

Nikki was really quite boring, but Jessica and Tracy are much more interesting. That's why I prefer her villains.

Originally Posted by GinnyIsGenius

I demand more NOAH! ... and maybe some Haitian too!

YES! Where have they been? It has been too long since we've had a good dose of HRG, and the Haitian has been MIA nearly all season.

[dweaselqueen]

So the eclipse is going to take everyone's powers?? Woah, did not see that coming. How on earth are they going to fix that?

Anyways, I totally agree about Sylar and Elle. They are absolutely adorable. They are the only couple that has true chemistry right now. I loved how they healed each other, it was a rare touching moment on the show. And then seeing Elle teach Sylar how to use her power... That was adorable! They are so cute!

originally posted by freelantzer
I enjoyed the scenes between Elle and Sylar. So did Sylar hone his power-absorbing ability so that he's like Peter now? And all that was keeping him from absorbing powers naturally was compassion? Doesn't quite make sense to me. And I'm not sure I like that Sylar's been "neutered" in a way. What happened to our badass villain that we all loved? I was liking his struggle with controlling himself; I liked watching him walk the moral tight rope. He reminded me of HRG a bit--morally grey. I hope he doesn't go all good guy on us now. I mean, I know he's "working" with Arthur, but is he really? I think he's really loyal to Angela, in which case, he's on the good side and now he's using his powers for good, too? No more internal struggle? Yep, he's definitely been neutered. I preferred when he was trying to be good, but he still had that underlying threat that he might not be able to control himself.

I agree. I was really enjoying morally grey Sylar. It was fun to watch him struggle. I guess they wanted to limit it to one bad guy, and they gave that role to Arthur. But still, I miss our badass Sylar too. He will always be my favorite villian.

And I'm really confused about his power. The hunger thing made a lot of sense to me, but now the empathy part has me completely confused. What does that mean?? He's compassionate now like Peter? I thought learning to take power without killing would make him more like Arthur then Peter. Especially since Sylar has a thirst for power and works with the brain, it would make sense that his power is like Arthur's who seems to manipulate the brain as well. Why do the writers have to make everything so complicated??

Meanwhile, much as I love Matt....that whole scene with Daphne was laughable. They just do not have chemistry and it felt so forced it was beyond cheesy. At least, IMO. However, I did love Matt's reaction to Peter! That was great!

originally posted by freelantzer
And I'm also not sure how I feel about Claire being the catalyst. I don't know what that means exactly, but at least it links back to Sylar's comments when he took off her head.

Same here. I don't know how I feel about that. Part of me is hoping she guessed wrong. How on worth with Nakamura have figured out Claire was the catalyst? When did he ever have contact with her? It just doesn't make sense to me. Unless he knew that she was the offspring of a real hero and synthetic one and that's what makes her a catalyst? Still, how would Nathan and Tracy have been injected before Claire was even born??? There must be another catalyst. It doesn't make sense.

originally posted by GinnyIsGenius
What about Tracy Strauss?!?! What a sellout! Actually, I enjoy Ali Larter more as a villain.

I loved it too! Ali Larter is much better as a villian. Nikki was weak, but Jessica and Tracy are much more interesting. Ah, poor Nathan. He just can not pick good women can he?

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by dweaselqueen

How on worth with Nakamura have figured out Claire was the catalyst? When did he ever have contact with her? It just doesn't make sense to me. Unless he knew that she was the offspring of a real hero and synthetic one and that's what makes her a catalyst? Still, how would Nathan and Tracy have been injected before Claire was even born??? There must be another catalyst. It doesn't make sense.

I got the impression the Kaito made Claire the catalyst. They said Kaito hid the third part of the formula inside someone. And they think that someone was Claire because Kaito had her when she was an infant and then he gave her to HRG. That whole formula thing doesn't make a lot of sense to me, either. Why did the third part have to be hidden inside a person? And how did Mohinder possibly come to that conclusion? I mean, I can see how he would know there was a third piece missing, but how could he know it was hidden in a person?

[GinnyIsGenius]

Originally Posted by dweaselqueen

But still, I miss our badass Sylar too. He will always be my favorite villian.

Hey! The good guys can be badasses too! Look at Batman!
I believe that Sylar will keep his edge, even if he is now Gabriel.
As long as he can turn it on and kick some when he needs to, I don't have a problem.

About Sylar's new found empathy power ... I think he still has his power (intuitive aptitude), maybe he just found a way of figuring out how their powers work without having to open their skulls and look at their brains. Like fixing a clock with opening it.

I'm still trying to figure that one out too ...

HEROES WIKI on Sylar's abilities Sylar's original ability is the power to determine exactly how things work. Sylar uses this innate ability to discover how to take the abilities of other evolved humans. He believes that Chandra Suresh is correct that the abilities are based in the brain, and several of Sylar's victims have had their skulls opened and brains removed. By studying their brains he is able to determine how their powers work and is able to replicate the abilities himself. Arthur revealed to Sylar that he can obtain the abilities of other people without killing them through his ability of empathy. He then locks him in a room with Elle, with whom he has a long talk, after which Sylar manifests her ability. It is unknown whether this manifestation was related to empathic mimicry (Peter's power), or if it was purely empathy.

My guess is that it's not empathic mimicry like Peter ... or maybe he just figured out how empathic mimicry works and know he can tap it, because he let himself not be overcome by the hunger??? Gosh! I just can see how it can be empathy alone ... that would mean that I could get an ability too if I wanted too.

Something caught my eye from Sylar's profile at Wiki. There was this quote of him back from Season 1:

"When I was a kid ... I used to wish some stranger would come and tell me my family wasn't really my family. They weren't bad people, they were just ... insignificant. And I wanted to be different. Special. I wanted to change. A new name, a new life. The watchmaker's son ... became a watchmaker. It is so futile, that I wanted to be ... important."

- Sylar (to Chandra Suresh) (Six Months Ago)

How cool, huh! These writers aren't that bad. Sometimes.

[dweaselqueen]

originally posted by GinnyisGenius
I believe that Sylar will keep his edge, even if he is now Gabriel.
As long as he can turn it on and kick some when he needs to, I don't have a problem.

Same here. I just want Sylar to stay badass. Going good does not mean he should lose his edge. I mean, they obviously can't have him struggling forever, but he should not become purely good either. He's not Peter or Hiro or even Matt.

originally posted by GinnyisGenius
My guess is that it's not empathic mimicry like Peter ... or maybe he just figured out how empathic mimicry works and know he can tap it, because he let himself not be overcome by the hunger??? Gosh! I just can see how it can be empathy alone ... that would mean that I could get an ability too if I wanted too.

Yeah, that still doesn't make sense to me. It sort of makes sense if he's using Peter's ability because he learned how it works... I just don't know! This whole empathy thing turns Sylar's power on it's head.

originally posted by freelantzer
I got the impression the Kaito made Claire the catalyst. They said Kaito hid the third part of the formula inside someone. And they think that someone was Claire because Kaito had her when she was an infant and then he gave her to HRG. That whole formula thing doesn't make a lot of sense to me, either. Why did the third part have to be hidden inside a person? And how did Mohinder possibly come to that conclusion? I mean, I can see how he would know there was a third piece missing, but how could he know it was hidden in a person?

Well, I guess that makes sense. I still don't like her as the catalyst. But whatever. And I agree with you, it's weird that Mohinder figured out it's in a person. Maybe he can tell by looking at the formula that some sort of human catalyst is needed, but I can't see how he could. Maybe the writers just expect us to accept that Mohinder's a brilliant geneticist and not question how he figures things out.

[RemusLupinFan]

Originally Posted by freelantzer

That whole formula thing doesn't make a lot of sense to me, either. Why did the third part have to be hidden inside a person? And how did Mohinder possibly come to that conclusion? I mean, I can see how he would know there was a third piece missing, but how could he know it was hidden in a person?

Yeah, I was wondering that too. And I'm wondering how a catalyst could be hidden inside a person, unless it's some sort of protein specifically encoded for by Claire's DNA.

I saw a commercial for the next show, where there's an eclipse and everybody loses their powers. I'm not looking forward to that.

[KDOG]

I honestly dont know whos the worst, Arthur or Angela. They are both really bad. Both are killers and both have allegedly tried to kill one of their sons {Angela apparently tried to kill Gabriel, Arthur tried to have Nathan killed}

[Spacecadet]

honestly i dont think i like claire as the catalyst. I feel like they keep trying to make her more and more important when she really shouldnt be. They keep making excuses for her character to reappear and be involved despite the fact that she's young and inexperienced. There's that constant annoying struggle between keeping claire "innocent" and her wanting to gro up to fast.

Also i think the eclipse episode might be one of those what if situations.... if we dont stop this from happening then everyone loses their powers, i hope thats not the case and its something bigger and way more entertaining.

[GinnyIsGenius]

Originally Posted by Spacecadet

honestly i dont think i like claire as the catalyst. I feel like they keep trying to make her more and more important when she really shouldnt be. They keep making excuses for her character to reappear and be involved despite the fact that she's young and inexperienced. There's that constant annoying struggle between keeping claire "innocent" and her wanting to gro up to fast.

The "excuse" I've heard so far about Claire being the catalyst is that this is the story that tied up why SAVING THE CHEERLEADER, meant SAVING THE WORLD back in the first Season.

I not that fond of Claire's character as well, not since the first season ... but I like that she is involved somehow because then she is kind of a waste of character ... Also, that may guarantee me some HRG time That's ALWAYS good.

About the Eclipse, from I've seen I think they are going to lose their powers indeed. But I wonder if Peter and Maya, that currently don't have powers, will get them back ... And I also wonder if now getting that formula done will become an even higher priority for some people ...

Let's see if making this mess works out in the end. So far, I think it is a pretty good twist.

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by GinnyIsGenius

About the Eclipse, from I've seen I think they are going to lose their powers indeed. But I wonder if Peter and Maya, that currently don't have powers, will get them back

Here's another question: what about the people, like Nathan, with synthetic powers? Since he was injected with the formula, will he lose his powers, too? And didn't he already have the ability to fly before the last eclipse? And didn't Arthur and Angela and Linderman, not to mention all the old Company founders have their abilities prior to the eclipse? And what about Adam Monroe? Did his powers come and go throughout the years depending on eclipses? If so, how in the world was he even still alive after 400 years, especially when he was reduced to a pile of dust after Arthur took his powers? No, I do not like this turn of events at all, if only because of the gazillion inconsistencies involved.

[GinnyIsGenius]

Originally Posted by freelantzer

And what about Adam Monroe? Did his powers come and go throughout the years depending on eclipses? If so, how in the world was he even still alive after 400 years, especially when he was reduced to a pile of dust after Arthur took his powers? No, I do not like this turn of events at all, if only because of the gazillion inconsistencies involved.

I think that's the best question to come out out of this Eclipse mess. Great point there.

Episode 10 THE ECLIPSE PART 1

Let me start by saying "Yuck! Mohinder was disgusting! Yuck! Yuck!" ...
Ok, now that I got that out of my chest, I'm happy about a few things.

1. The drawings!!! Specially Nathan losing his power while flying ... Cool.

2. Daphne's twist: I mean it's a pity that she was crippled, but just a really good twist for her character. I still feel weird about the whole Matt loving her thing, but hey ...

3. Ellen and Sylar teaming up: Specially because Elle wouldn't let Sylar become a "boy scout", Ha! I'm glad her careless influence is on him. I still want to know why they named their baby, Noah? It doesn't make sense so far... I saw the Canadian Promo for new week and it seems that

Spoiler: show

HRG is going to beat Sylar's powerless ***! Woot!

4. 10-year old minded Hiro!
He is hilarious ... and surprisingly, still effective! I love him!

5. The Haitian Sensation actually had DIALOGUE!!!!!! I was flipping out!

So, those were my top 5 favorite things about this episode ... I'm still confuse about everything else. Like freelantzer said, I hope they explain more thoroughly how this Eclipse works on people with abilities. Case in point, Adam Monroe.

[RemusLupinFan]

Originally Posted by Spacecadet

honestly i dont think i like claire as the catalyst. I feel like they keep trying to make her more and more important when she really shouldnt be.

I kind of agree. Not that I don't like Claire's character, but it feels kinda like what they did with Peter in the second season in focusing on him so much. But I suppose the idea of "save the cheerleader, save the world" is an apt explanation for Claire's importance.

Originally Posted by GinnyIsGenius

2. Daphne's twist: I mean it's a pity that she was crippled, but just a really good twist for her character. I still feel weird about the whole Matt loving her thing, but hey ...

Yeah, I can really see how she wouldn't have wanted to go back to her old life! I also am not sure that Daphne and Matt are a good couple. They don't seem right to me for some reason.

Re the eclipse and losing their powers: I have a feeling that when the eclipse is completely over, their powers may come back.

[Spacecadet]

Originally Posted by RemusLupinFan

Re the eclipse and losing their powers: I have a feeling that when the eclipse is completely over, their powers may come back.

My thoughts exactly, either that or they are going to have to do something with mohinder's formula to get their powers back kinda like re-manufacturing them again.

[Ginny1976]

"Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" was their motto in the beginning and I think it's nice that they're sticking to some continuity, that we can see that they have a long term plan and are going somewhere with it. But yeah, because it's Claire, whiny Claire, it's not so exciting.
That has got o be the longest Eclipse I've ever seen! I'm sure they'll get their powers back. But maybe only some will get their powers back. That would be even better. I wonder if Mohinder will turn back into the fly or if he'll stay clean. OH! But when he pulled up Maya on the computer I was almost screaming at the TV to PLEASE not bring her back!! I am SO happy that she's gone.
The only ones I still wonder about are Micah and his Cousin. They just dropped them after spending all that time building them up. Not cool. And Molly. They just fly her away and that's it?
Noah can't kill Gabriel and Elle. And I am so not liking how Elle is still turning Gabriel into a monster.

[GinnyIsGenius]

Originally Posted by Ginny1976

Noah can't kill Gabriel and Elle.

Well, he can. He just won't because ... they have a baby to make.

Originally Posted by Ginny1976

And I am so not liking how Elle is still turning Gabriel into a monster.

I didn't see it that way. I saw her intervention at the car dealership as making him realize that people manipulated him into becoming the monster that was Sylar, and now Arthur is manipulating him into being this loyal, self-reporting servant.

Everyone is always making him BE something, so Elle made him question who he wanted to be for himself, either good or bad.

So, I think by now that Gabriel believes Arthur. I think he believes that his mother got rid of him when he was little. He may have saved his brothers life (after all, it's not Peter's fault), but I think he really believes Arthur's word. Personally, I think Arthur is lying. I wonder how that will be resolved. Maybe Noah will give them some answers to that.