Heroes v2

[freelantzer]

^ That's fine. I'm not asking you to explain. For me, I'd like the writers to explain why this eclipse and the one that gave them their powers was different.

[Ginny1976]

I was hoping that this eclipse would give Peter his powers back, since the last one gave them to him. And yeah, there's some HUGE plot holes with this. A selective eclipse? Doesn't make sense. Elle dying was a waste, If she's dead. And Sylar needs to be one or the other. I liked him better good, but make up your minds already!

[LoveWeasleys]

EPIC! I loved it!

Spoiler: show

Such a great episode. Elle dyeing was not cool. But, so much changed and Hiro's scene with his mother was touching and sweet. Finally Sylar is back. I was getting really bored with his character. He is one of my favorite villans and now he is back with fury. Yes.

I have mixed feelings about this new army that they are planning to build. But, yeah good episode. I wonder though how many times they are going to find "lost" drawings of Issac Mendez

[freelantzer]

I am isanely annoyed that Elle is really dead. What is it with these writers??? Why do they keep killing off new, promising characters and hanging on to old played-out ones? Why can't they grow a backbone and kill off some of the originals and develop some new, amazing additions? They seriously need to take a page out of LOST's book--aside from the tailies debacle (which they clearly learned from), LOST's writers have done a brilliant job incorporating and developing some of their new characters. Heroes writers, take note!

After watching Sylar light up Elle and the mindnumbingly boring Tracy/Nathan-recycled-take-the-White-House plot, I seriously thought it was about time for me to stop watching this show. I've never really considered quitting Heroes before, but tonight I could clearly see it going the way of Prison Break for me.

However . . . on came the second act and some great storytelling. I agree that the scene between Hiro and his mother was incredibly touching. It brought a tear to my eye, actually. I think that might be a Heroes first. I also dug Claire interacting with her parents. For the first time in a long time, I did not wish for Claire's death. Peter and The Haitian were great tonight, too. When The Haitian walked up next to Peter to challenge Arthur, I admit I swooned a bit inside.

And while I was loving morally grey Sylar, walking the tightrope between good and evil . . . he's still a pretty cool purely evil villain--"There's cake?"
One thing I'm wondering--he's not Arthur's son, but is he Angela's?

The Parkman/Daphne/Ando storyline seemed a bit pointless. It didn't really contribute anything to the episode except keep them abreast of what we as the audience already knew. It seemed like the writers were just trying to find something for them to do so they could be in this episode. But I'm excited for Ando to get some powers. Hopefully that will still happen. I like his character and I'd like to see him developed more.

So now that Hiro and Claire changed the past, do you guys think that will impact the present at all? I mean, do you think Claire was the catalyst until they went back and Hiro took the light? I mean, what was up with Sylar looking at her brain and saying she's different from the rest if she wasn't the original catalyst? Will preventing her from becoming the catalyst impact present-day Claire?

And did the creepy reaction of the Marine at the end remind anyone else of Sylar? That expression he had on his face at the end of the episode looked really familliar . . .

[Spacecadet]

Originally Posted by freelantzer

So now that Hiro and Claire changed the past, do you guys think that will impact the present at all? I mean, do you think Claire was the catalyst until they went back and Hiro took the light? I mean, what was up with Sylar looking at her brain and saying she's different from the rest if she wasn't the original catalyst? Will preventing her from becoming the catalyst impact present-day Claire?

Im really wondering about this... from what we think we know claire was given the catlyst as a baby but who's to say that it was destined that the two of them travel back in time and hero really gets the catalyst. Then again why would sylar see something different in claire's blood? Maybe its something else. But the whole bit with hiro and claire traveling back in time was very well done.

And Arthur Petrelli appearing out of no where, that was unexpected, but it did seem like he got what he wanted way to easily. Im glad they killed him... however if he absorbed peter's powers and got time traveling from him then does that mean arthur isnt really dead cause he has the healing ability?

Im upset about Elle being really dead, i think it was a little uncalled for.

And i found it really amusing that the actor playing the marine that got super strength was the same actor who played kyle baldwin in the 4400 another show with people with abilities. kinda funny to me Also im wondering if his ability was just super strength or if he will have other powers... I find it interesting that the effect was almost immediate, maybe thats the effect of the catalyst? Also i find it fitting that this marine got super strength when he talked about not being strong enough to save more of his crew.

[RemusLupinFan]

Well I missed yesterday's episode, but did get a synopsis from someone who saw it. From reading the thoughts here, I also would have to agree that Ellie's death is not something I'd have wanted. I wanted Sylar to finally be able to overcome his "hunger" because he loved her. Though of course he makes an excellent villain, I'd have wanted to see some character development in him, especially since he showed some promise.

At least Arthur being killed is some good news. I wish I'd seen the scene with Hiro and his mother, but I was told about the light passing from one person to the other. Since I didn't see the show, I don't know who eventually ended up with the light/catalyst. Was it Hiro?

Originally Posted by Ginny1976

I was hoping that this eclipse would give Peter his powers back, since the last one gave them to him. And yeah, there's some HUGE plot holes with this. A selective eclipse? Doesn't make sense.

I didn't expect Peter to get his powers back after the eclipse because it wasn't the eclipse that took away his powers in the first place: it was his father. That's why I thought the eclipse wouldn't affect Peter, since his powers were already gone before the eclipse. Does that make sense?

[Spacecadet]

Originally Posted by RemusLupinFan

At least Arthur being killed is some good news. I wish I'd seen the scene with Hiro and his mother, but I was told about the light passing from one person to the other. Since I didn't see the show, I don't know who eventually ended up with the light/catalyst. Was it Hiro?

Hiro got the catalyst from his mother, Arthur Peterelli went back in time and stole it from hiro and left him powerless and 16 years in the past. Arthur returned to the future to put the catalyst in the forumla. Arthur gets shot and a light releases from him but doesnt really go into anyone else. So im not sure if the catalyst is still out there or only in the formula being given to the marines. And whether or not the future claire still also has the catalyst.

[GinnyIsGenius]

Originally Posted by freelantzer

However . . . on came the second act and some great storytelling. I agree that the scene between Hiro and his mother was incredibly touching. It brought a tear to my eye, actually. I think that might be a Heroes first. I also dug Claire interacting with her parents. For the first time in a long time, I did not wish for Claire's death. Peter and The Haitian were great tonight, too. When The Haitian walked up next to Peter to challenge Arthur, I admit I swooned a bit inside.

These were my exact highlights of the show.
Especially that part about not wishing for Cliare's death.
How young did Susan Bennet looked? And even Noah. That was done beautifuly.

Haitian Sensation part. I agree. I knew I liked him, but there was something about yesterday ... More Haitian please! He rocks. To me he is as untouchable as HRG. If they get killed, I would leave this show in a heart beat. I was seriously getting frustrated with Peter. If I could've reached for the weapon, I would've done so. I thought the Haitian was going to get hurt! UGH! Tension there. But I guess my mini freak out was worth it, because in came Sylar ... and I thought that was one of the best scenes of the whole season. I'm at peace now.

Originally Posted by freelantzer

And while I was loving morally grey Sylar, walking the tightrope between good and evil . . . he's still a pretty cool purely evil villain--"There's cake?" One thing I'm wondering--he's not Arthur's son, but is he Angela's?

Yeah, Sylar was kind of amazing last night. How about the "It does kind of tingle." or "It's not going to hurt a bit ... Got me." He had really good lines. He is a great character in either side of the fence.

I was holding on to every hope that Elle wouldn't die. That sucked. No baby Noah. I would never know why he was named like that. (Sorry, I can't let that go.) But really, Elle did had a very crappy life. I feel for her. There's no doubt that Sylar is back ... with a vengance. I don't think Angela is going to get away ... no way. Noah said that both of the Petrelli's lied about claiming to be their parents. Right now, I kind of believe Noah. I should've always trusted him. What was I thinking?

Originally Posted by freelantzer

The Parkman/Daphne/Ando storyline seemed a bit pointless. But I'm excited for Ando to get some powers. Hopefully that will still happen. I like his character and I'd like to see him developed more.

I agree. I was freaking out at them too, because they were coming up with plans to save Hiro and all I wanted to shake them up and tell them to JUST LOOK AT THE FREAKING COMIC!!!!!!!! Gosh!

Originally Posted by freelantzer

So now that Hiro and Claire changed the past, do you guys think that will impact the present at all?

My guess is that present day Claire no longer has 'the light', since the moment Hiro took it in the past. Sylar saw something inside Claire because, back then, Claire has the catalyst in her.

I felt so bad for Hiro because he lost it so fast after that scene with his mother.
As for Nathan ... He is deluded. Again.
He should know better than anyone that instant, new found power may corrupt some people. He is crazy.
But I'm definitely looking forward to the Petrelli Brothers showdown.

[ComicBookWorm]

Peter shot his father in the front of his head, and he was supposed to shoot him in the back of his head. I think Arthur is going heal because he now has Peter's healing powers.

[GinnyIsGenius]

I think Arthur won't be able to heal unless the bullet went through his head and out, or unless someone takes the bullet out of the head. Or maybe even if the bullet went through his head, but harmed his brain well enough, his powers wouldn't work. After all, Sylar opens people's skulls to see how their abilities work. So something must go on in there for them to be able to perform them. If the brain is too damage, maybe they just won't work.

But I think we saw Arthur's powers leave his body ... For a second I thought Peter was going to catch them all, but I guess it doesn't work like that.

ETA: I just read this week Graphic Novel, and I think it was pretty insightful. Here's the link: http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/dow..._novel_115.pdf It's called Truths and it's about the last thoughts of Arthur Petrelli thinks after Peter shoots the gun.

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by GinnyIsGenius

But I think we saw Arthur's powers leave his body ... For a second I thought Peter was going to catch them all, but I guess it doesn't work like that

I thought what we saw leaving Arthur was the catalyst, or the "light" as Hiro's mother called it. It looked like the same light she gave to Hiro.

And I thought that as long as the brian was destroyed, then the person couldn't heal. But both times we've seen Peter and Claire dead, they did have something in the back of their heads--the shard of glass and the tree branch, respectively. So maybe there is something with destroying the brain from the back. Maybe that's where that power is stored.

[GinnyIsGenius]

Originally Posted by freelantzer

I thought what we saw leaving Arthur was the catalyst, or the "light" as Hiro's mother called it. It looked like the same light she gave to Hiro.

Yeah, you are right. It was this:
For some reason, I colored it black in my mind, and thus, associated it with powers.

[crookshanks1177]

That whole scene where Arthur Pettrelli got shot got to me... I think I understood why they were able to kill him without him healing himself. I thought it was because the Haitian was present. The Haitain blocks powers. That's why the Haitain spoke up and said to hurry up and shoot Arthur, Arthur was too strong for the Haitian to continue to block his powers too long. But once he was shot the Haitian would regain his strength and be able to block his powers, therefore Arthur couldn't heal himself.

What bothered me is why weren't Syler's powers effected, even in the slightest?

[DancingMaenid]

Originally Posted by crookshanks1177

What bothered me is why weren't Syler's powers effected, even in the slightest?

That's a good point...

Maybe the Haitian was focusing all his energy on blocking Arthur's powers. It seemed like it was taking a conscious effort from him, so maybe he wasn't able to affect Sylar too.

[Spacecadet]

Originally Posted by DancingMaenid

That's a good point...

Maybe the Haitian was focusing all his energy on blocking Arthur's powers. It seemed like it was taking a conscious effort from him, so maybe he wasn't able to affect Sylar too.

I would 100% agree with that, obviously it was hard for the haitian to block arthurs powers so maybe all his power was directed at him.

[Ginny1976]

I think it's a plot hole. But now hmm.... I'm trying to think if Sylar has been around the Hatian before and what happened then. I can't remember.

[crookshanks1177]

Originally Posted by DancingMaenid

That's a good point...

Maybe the Haitian was focusing all his energy on blocking Arthur's powers. It seemed like it was taking a conscious effort from him, so maybe he wasn't able to affect Sylar too.

True, there are still little things with that scene that don't sit with me right. I think this will come back to us for some reason in later episodes.

Originally Posted by Ginny1976

I think it's a plot hole. But now hmm.... I'm trying to think if Sylar has been around the Hatian before and what happened then. I can't remember.

I'm thinking it has to do with the plot too. I don't recall Sylar and the Haitian being near eachother either now that you mention it. Unless HRG used him as a partner to go after Syler before and I don't remember it.

On that note, I still can't make complete sense of Syler's charecter. It seems like we will have the parent issue cleared up, there is a nice little spoiler about that on herosite.net. I was kind of ticked off with the "you're my mommy/daddy!", "No you're not!" plot, until I read that spoiler. Now I think I'm sort of ok with it. I'll leave it at that.

Ok that just crossed my mind, that was not the issue that was getting to me. What was getting to me is at first in the episode we see our old Syler, wanting power and not caring who he takes out to get it. He killed the lie detector and killed her co-workers along with her when they walked in. That's our old Syler. Now at the end of the same episode we see Syler kill Arthur and let everyone else survive. He claims that Peter has nothing that he wants. (Neither did the lie-detector's co-workers and he killed them). AND he let the Haitian survive. Mind you I would have probably never watched the show again if he did kill the Haitian, but at the same time it doesn't fit with his charecter to me. The Haitian's power would practically make Syler even more invicible than he already is. Arthur with Peter's power, was the only one left who could truly give him a challenge, but with the Haitian present that's not the case. You think Syler would want the Haitian's power so he wouldn't need that third party if he found another person that can pose that much of a challenge to him.

In other words I think there is more to come with Syler, I don't think he's meant to be the complete evil again, not yet atleast.

[RemusLupinFan]

Originally Posted by crookshanks1177

In other words I think there is more to come with Syler, I don't think he's meant to be the complete evil again, not yet atleast.

I really hope that Sylar will be able to overcome his "hunger" for more powers at some point. I had previously hoped that being involved with Elle would help him in that regard. But, needless to say with Elle's death, that won't happen. Sylar does make a cool villain, but with the Heroes story running for as long as it has, one would hope to see some character development - some visible difference from what the were in the beginning to what they are now.

[GinnyIsGenius]

Originally Posted by crookshanks1177

What was getting to me is at first in the episode we see our old Syler, wanting power and not caring who he takes out to get it. He killed the lie detector and killed her co-workers along with her when they walked in. That's our old Syler. Now at the end of the same episode we see Syler kill Arthur and let everyone else survive. He claims that Peter has nothing that he wants. (Neither did the lie-detector's co-workers and he killed them).

He DID want the lie-detector power so he could know if the Petrellis were his parents or not. The lie-detector woman did have something he wanted. The co-workers, well, not. I guess they came at an unfortunate time to witness the murder. I was expecting him to do something to the guy in the elevator, but I guess the situation was different then.

Originally Posted by crookshanks1177

AND he let the Haitian survive. Mind you I would have probably never watched the show again if he did kill the Haitian, but at the same time it doesn't fit with his character to me. The Haitian's power would practically make Syler even more invincible than he already is.
Arthur with Peter's power, was the only one left who could truly give him a challenge, but with the Haitian present that's not the case. You think Syler would want the Haitian's power so he wouldn't need that third party if he found another person that can pose that much of a challenge to him.

How could Sylar take the Haitians power if the Haitian blocks his?
I agree that the only reason Sylar could use his powers to kill Arthur, while being in the presence of the Haitian, was because the Haitian was really giving all he had in him to keep Arthur on check.

Originally Posted by crookshanks1177

In other words I think there is more to come with Syler, I don't think he's meant to be the complete evil again, not yet at least.

I think he is quite evil. I think he just don't care what he is now.
Sylar always had these complexes, either his mommy issues or his obsession to be special. If he getss over all that mojo now, which in my eyes, it'll makes him more powerful. His main vulnerabilities will be gone.

While reading Sylar's entry on Heroes wiki, I read this:

Some have wondered why all of Sylar's abilities except telekinesis were lost after he was infected with the Shanti virus. Writers Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite said in a question and answer session that the telekinetic power remained because it is related to the guilt Sylar felt for killing Brian Davis. "Brian was Sylar's first kill and his power is connected to emotional empathy."

Emotional empathy ... could this be how Sylar was able to get Elle's power?
This is not Peter's power, Empathic Mimicry. Or is it?
Brian and Elle seem to have the 2 powers where Sylar actually felt some kind emotion ... Could this mean that if Sylar actually taped into his emotions, he could gain and/or keep powers, regardless of outside factors?
Any Thoughts? I'm confuse by this thing more than anything else.

[freelantzer]

I just finished watching tonight's eppy. It was pretty good. Sylar narrating the opening was amazing, and I loved all the scenes that took place at Primatech. When Meredith was all, "You mean, they're bait?" I was like HRG--what a badass!!! That whole set up was really cool. Ando's power is kinda cool, too--requires partnership. It will be interesting to see how it affects certain powers. The events at Pinehurst were less well-done, but still interesting. I love that Peter has his powers back, but he seems to have been reset back to season 1 gullible Peter again. Come to think of it, a ton of the characters are being reset--we had Sylar last week, back to the hunger; Peter back to gullible dupe tonight; and Nathan back to the unfeeling jerk I hated at the beginning of the series. I'm not sure I like that. Where's the character development?

It seems like the writers have made Nathan their new plot device, too. Was he always that stupid and that cold? I know he was kind of cold to Peter in the beginning of season 1, but their relationship has (or had, I guess) changed so much from where it began. All of a sudden now he has no respect for Peter and thinks he's pathetic--he'd leave him to die? That seems out of left field. Plus, wasn't he the one who wanted to give everyone powers? Now he wants them all stopped? And right after he just called Peter a hypocrite? What is his motivation for that? It doesn't feel earned. Just like Mohinder's stupidity of season 2, or Hiro's at the beginning of this season--Nathan's been handed the idiot ball for the sake of the plot. I don't like how the writers keep doing that.

Another thing that the writers have done this season that I find disorienting--they didn't really connect the glimpses of the future we've been trying to prevent all season to anything concrete in the present. I mean, season one, you had the bomb in Kirby Plaza--we saw precisely how that was prevented at Kirby Plaza in the finale. Season two, we had the virus--the prevention of that future was made clear when they stopped the vial from hitting the ground and then incinerated the vial. But this year--we saw people flying around in the future (which they showed a clip of tonight in a sloppy attempt to connect this eppy with that vision), but we also saw a future in which Hiro was evil and Ando killed him right before the world exploded (just like in the painting we've seen everywhere this season). I'm sorry, but Hiro ripping up a piece of paper did not really conclude everything that was set up in the beginning. Especially since they've already made the darn formula! What was he ripping it up for? To prevent it from being made again? Lame.

Even though it sounds like I have more negative comments than positive, I did like this eppy. I'm interested to see how Fugitives plays out.