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I know everyone has pointed this out, but seriosuly, this kid CAN'T be just a red herring! It almost provides too much information. I know all the book says is that he is 10, named Mark Evans, lives by the Dursleys and Harry, and also was beat up on Harry's birthday. I know those don't seem to mean anything, but really, why would JKRowling sit and write a couple sentences basically saying this kid was 10 (11 brings Hogwarts), he lived nearby (who cares where he lives!? this has to mean SOMETHING), he was beaten up on Harry's b-day (okay, if you read this, you can figure it out, and it's true, if something is hidden like that, it usually is hidden for a reason), and that his surname is Evans. I know that is a super~common name, like smith or jones or allen, but if JKRowling just wanted some random kid to say dudley beat up, she has never had a problem with creating good names, why make such a simple one for this kid!? It has to mean something!
By the way, I dont know if this means ANYTHING, but Mark means Defender. Also, the whole giving Dudley cheek. If this isn't an exaggeration on dudley's part, than that sort of makes Mark like Harry. Even though he is a little guy, he stands up for himself in front of the big kids, ya know? it may just be that dudley says he's giving him cheek because he thinks EVERYONE does, another good reason to prove he's the biggest, baddest kid on the block. anyway, i'm off my soap box now
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#282
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Here's my theory:
Harry had a Godfather, Sirius Black, we all know that. But he had to have a Godmother. If Petunia is a Squib, then there could've been other Evans that we don't know about. So, Lily could've had a brother, who's wife was made Harry's Godmother. There are no more Evans or Potters that we know about because Voldemort killed all James and Lily's relatives that night. All that he knows of. He knew Lily had a brother so he killed him and his wife, not knowing they had a son--Mark Evans. (So, Harry does have a relative, but Mark obviously couldn't be Harry's gaurdian) Being an orphan, he want to an orphange, not knowing he's a wizard. Since he's 10 in OotP, he will be a First Year at Hogwarts in Book 6. OK, it's really unprobable, but it makes sense if you think about it, right? |
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#283
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Nope doesn't make sense. If Lily and Petunia had a brother that was killed right after James and Lily, he couldn't possibly have a 10 year son, since Lily and James were killed 14 years ago.
It could make sense though if you didn't kill the brother for at least 4 years after James and Lily were killed. |
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#284
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Yeah, but Voldemort was in the forest of Albania or wherever and didn't have any help from his friends. He was caught between life and death. I don't think Mark's an orphan, but if he is, Voldemort didn't kill his parents.
I've wondered about Harry's godmother too, AiKeN fOr ClAy. Perhaps we'll find out about her in book six. I don't know about her being an Evans. She might turn out to be one of the original Order that died though. Poor, Harry! |
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Well, just for the record, I don't think Mark is a red herring. I don't think he's anymore a wizard than Dudley is, either. As for cheeking Dudley, he probably mentioned that Dudley had to live with "weird cousin Harry", because Mark is an Evans. And the Evanses are muggles.
I still think the message of Mark Evans is that Lily is not a muggleborn. Her father was a wizard or squib and she is at a least a half blood. Harry is not related by blood to anyone named Evans, but Dudley and Petunia are. Probably dead wrong, but ... what the heck. How much longer until book six? I hope my grandchildren aren't reading before then. Just an afterthought from another thread. Remember when Harry looked into the Mirror of Erised, and he saw others with the same green eyes? Were they all muggles and if so, why is it so important that Harry has Lily's eyes? Last edited by whizbang121; August 12th, 2003 at 5:19 pm. |
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Evans was Lilly's maiden name, thus Lilly Evans. (James calls Lilly by her last name in the Pensive. Her initials are L.E. thus Lilly Evans) Lilly is an Evans before she is a Potter. Lilly is Harry's mother, so yes, Harry is related to the Evans by blood.
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#287
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Back peddle JKR never. She might just 'forget' to mention a few minor details, like a Prophecy! but back peddle no! And as for Mark, two thing stick in my mind the fact he is call Mark "Evans" and at the beginning of book 5 he is ten years old, now that will mean he will be eleven at the start of book six, I struggle to remember just how old Harry was when he started at Hogwarts?? As For Snape, sorry Professor Snape, rejection or unrequited love might also figure in his dislike of James P he just might feel that he Snape was the "better man" and to be rejected for a quidditch playing bully, and Harry as a result is paying the price, both because he plays Quidditch and he's Jame's son
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#288
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They start Hogwarts at 11. |
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Ok, yeah, they start Hogwarts at age eleven... Your point?
So if Mark Evans has relation to wizarding Evanses and if he is magical himself, he will be joining Harry at Hogwarts, as he is turning eleven years old in book 6. And if there be a relation to Wizarding Evanses then it is highly probable that Lilly Evans is apart of that Family tree. Thus ensuring Harry Potter's blood relation to Mark Evans as Harry is related to at least one Wizarding Evans (Lilly Evans) by blood. And if Mark Evans has no relation to wizarding Evanses then he's just some boy who Duddley beats on. But if Mark Evans has relation to Wizarding Evanses but has no magical properties at least Harry will have a nice growing family to get in contact with. ![]() Have a nice day! ![]() Last edited by tree guardian; August 12th, 2003 at 6:19 pm. |
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im going to repeat what everyone is saying...i think she gave us too much information for this mark evans to just be some passerby. he could have just beat up some little kid named mark. instead she said hey! he's 10 hint hint his last name is Evans. i dont think it is a coincidence that she put the whole snape's pensieve in this book where James yells EVANS like a bunch of times. she wanted us to think hey where did i hear that name. i think she wanted us to get the hint and wants us to keep guessing at the family history...
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Exactly, Alnick! You rock!I just want to add that he doesn't have to be a 'blood' relative of Harry's. His father could have been in a step-brother situation to Lily and Petunia, or he could have been adopted and changed his name to Evans.
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True silver ink pot, Mark doesn't have to be a 'blood' relation. I'd forgotten about that extended step-family option. Perhaps I should write another Soap SKit...?
It would be interesting if there was someone who was adopted. |
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![]() I have a question? Didn't any of you know Lily's last name was Evans before bk 5 came out? Last edited by whizbang121; August 12th, 2003 at 7:02 pm. |
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I think the last name might have been mentioned somewhere....i cant remember or seem to find where but when it said evans i was like oh lily's last name maybe jk said it somewhere maybe...?
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Thanks Katze. You found it before I did.
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i think mark evans would play a major part not in book 6 but in book 7. take note of sirius black, his name is mentioned only once in book 1 and appeared again only in book 3. which the whole story of the book is about him..... well, lets just wait.....
aside from that petunia would have known if she has relatives around who are muggles. since she hated wizardry so much, she's going to look for people related to her that cannot perform a single magic! ![]() |
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silverinkpot: Thanks! I think that maybe Emmeline and Hestia might turn out to have been friends of Lily's. And I absolutely agree that there will be more about blood lines and family history. Not because blood is important, but because it ISN'T. We still have to make the right choices regardless of what our blood lines are.
Elektra: Yeah, I think you're right. Harry has definitely had enough on his mind and is constantly distracted! It is also, of course, very convenient for JKR if she wants to keep information from us. isntlifejuicy: So Mark means defender? Hmm... well who knows? It may turn out to mean something. And about cheeking Dudley, I also think that that seems to make him like Harry Was Lily really a muggleborn? I definitely think that Mark Evans has popped up so Harry can find out something about his mother and her family, but... I used to think that maybe her parents weren't all muggle after all (Petunia must be hiding something) but then I think it is really important that Lily was muggleborn making Harry a half blood who despite what people like the Malfoy think will turn out to be a great wizard! On the other hand, we do have Hermione being muggleborn and very talented and she might be enough to make that point to the "pure mania people". We don't know anything about the Evanses and it's never really said that Lily's parents were Muggles. Hagrid in PS only mentions Petunia "Look at your mother, look at what she had for a sister". And then there is Snape calling her a mudblood of course... Alnick1 and silverinkpot: Yeah! I aggree! And about the step brother connection: very possible! So far there has been nothing about step families and that is something that is very common in our world and that JKR herself is a part of (her daughter now having a step father and a half brother). whizbang121: Well, yes, Dumbledore did say that, but family could mean many things. Sirius makes it clear to us that Bellatrix is no family of his! However, then Dumbledore does spell it out again in Book 5 that Petunia is Lily's only living relative, so... there is probably room for non-blood relations or things Dumbledore doesn't know about though. Sorry to make this long but I think most of you are in a different time zone than me (or up at night!) so there were so many new posts since I last logged on that I wanted to reply to! ![]() |
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