Return of Sirius Black?

[saetadefuego]

i still think that Sirius is not "completely" dead. Somehow he should be coming back to give advice to Harry. How about in a portrait paint? like the ones in Dumbledore's office. The old headmasters seems like eventhough they are dead, they still can have a conversation. Or like Sirius' mom. She's dead and still can live through the portrait.
I have also thought about returning back the time (using time-turner), but i do not think deaths can be reversed.
Well, just my thoughts.

* If only we could know for sure how the portraits work..or if Sirius had a portrait.

Saetadefuego
*firebolt*

[Arissya_00]

Deaths cannot be reversed, and I think the portrait has to be done right before one's death.

[runner2006]

Since JK Rowling cried after she wrote that seen, i don't think that he will come back, but I will love it if he does.

[misspadfoot15]

Sirius was my favorite character! It would be so cool if there was a chance for him to come back alife but it seems thta once you croos the veil theres no going back...does that make sense? Anyways although I would LOVE for my sirius to come back I dont think it will happen! :'(

[snuffles4evr]

Sirius was my favorite character too! He was the only person Harry had that was a tangible part of his wizarding family!

I think JKR killed him and he will stay dead forever. She might give us a little closure, maybe allowing Harry to say goodbye; other than the breaking of the mirror (as someone stated on another thread is her way of giving us readers a physical closure that Sirius can't physically be in the mirror because his body is dead), but I think he is gone....

But will live in my heart forever!!!

I am still really po'ed that JKR did that. Will Harry loose everyone who brings him happiness and security?

[~Alexandra_Black~]

ok...let's sound logical...Sirius is DEAD!!! Deal with it!!! We all have to accept it. I do think that somewhere along the line Harry will meet someone who was close to Sirius at some point in time other that Lupin. And don't get me wrong, I love Sirius, he's probably my favourite character but come on, even with magic somethings are still imposible.

[Stallion1]

Yup exactly he was my fav and I have come to accept it.

[Lady_Black]

as horrible it is and as much as i want him to live, yea, he is. And this is pretty different from LOTR and Star Wars. He will be my love forever...but sadly i think JK wouldnt pull anything on us

[Magi]

He is definitely, indisputably, irrevokably dead.

And....talking about the time turners...Harry and Hermione used them to save two lives....One that was already dead (The Hippogrif) and Sirius who was still alive.....So if it worked to change the past in order to "revive" somebody already dead

We never knew if Buckbeak actually died. The only thing we read was that an axe landed with a thud and Hagrid howling. We later learn that the axe was swung into a fence, and Hagrid was howling because he was happy about Buckbeak disappearing.

Buckbeak was never dead. Harry and Hermione only went back in time to fulfill what had already happened (remember the lake scene).

[Prof Nebula]

I'm pretty sure Sirius is dead (and I hate saying that). Saying that, I do believe though that we haven't seen the last of Sirius. I don't now how or why, but I just think we'll see him somehow again.

[dobby_rocks]

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[dobby_rocks]

Im pretty sure sadly :'( :'( that he is truly gone

For one JK said apart of his death was to show how fast and unpredicted death can be that a person can be here one moment and gone the next. What would she be saying if he came back? Plus the fact she was obviously very sad when she wrote this even cried, if she knew that she was just going to bring him back would she have cried :??:

However he could still have some sorat of a Precence , i mean lets look at his great great great grandfather, the one in dumbldores office as he was a former head mastser , he has proabably been dead for many many years. Yet he can talk , listen , deliver messages etc .

Nick said that Sirruis wouldnt come back, but could he come back one time just to tell harry that it would be ok, he would look out for him or something like that.

Or maybe like someone mentioned that harry used the wrong name when talking in the mirrior but who knows

he is defenitly gone , but it dosent mean he cant still be a presence ya know

[misspadfoot15]

i really like McKinnons theory! hopefully it is something like that but i do doubt it! im pretty sure he's dead!

[Diagon Allie]

He's dead...(sigh). But yeah the veil's not just some random thing, nor can Luna's comment be. Somehow he will make a return, in some way, shape or form. It was definitely not the curse that killed him, because although the color was not given in the book, if it had been AK Harry would have recognized it and not just thought Sirius was hiding. Also, Lupin seemed very sure that Sirius was gone, so he must know more about this veil than we do. About the room being a Death Chamber... I don't understand...I thought that the worst of wizards, when caught, were given the Dementor's Kiss, not sentenced to death (a fate worse than death...remember?) So I don't understand what they'd have seating in this chamber for if it wasn't to view excecutions.

[Diagon Allie]

Anyway, I hope we see him again. He's one sexy ****, dead or alive.

[Elbereth]

I am 100% sure that Sirius is really dead. As much as I loved him, I would be very disappointed if he came back to life. In reality, death is often very sudden and "pointless" (I don't think that pointless death exists any more than pointless birth). Many people have said things like "how can she do something so cruel to Harry?". I think it makes the series more realistic, and it helps us identify with Harry. Real people often experience similar cruel circumstances. I think the death was supposed to be abrupt and confusing so that we would feel the same shock and disbelief that Harry feels. I think that we may here some communication from him, like in the case of Harry's parents, but even then it's not really like talking to the actual person again. Personally, I would rather there not be any in the case of Sirius because somehow it doesn't seem to fit.

[Larna]

Many have mentioned the portrait idea, which was the first thing I thought of when he died. I have found no portrait evidence, and his house seems to be pretty cleaned out of everything related to decent people, but I believe the portrait idea is the most likely one (besides the veil). The difference is, we don't know how the veil works, we do know how the pictures work.

Now, about that mirror... yes, its broken, but I think it can be repaired. However, it won't work with those dead, though I do see it being used by others in the future... I mean, Sirius's mirror was left behind and Harry kept the pieces, so she wasn't ready to let go of that one yet. And speaking of mirrors... is anyone remembering a certain mirror of erised? not for interaction, obviously, but she likes these mirrors... there may be more...

The Pensieve thing is cool, but it only works for viewing. Sure, you get the memories, but again, no interaction. I really hope she doesn't pull on the memory idea too much... though the thought of Harry having to deal with grief is very realistic and good thinking on her part, provided she allows it to occur...

...I'm really wondering about this veil; I'm hoping a lot too. The thing about the 'seeing death' aspect is that Neville had seen death and didn't get it... hrmmmmm.... we'll see!

[Ecthelion]

Larna:

...I'm really wondering about this veil; I'm hoping a lot too. The thing about the 'seeing death' aspect is that Neville had seen death and didn't get it... hrmmmmm.... we'll see!

Me too. I am mildly suprised Harry didn't ask about it as it had successfully held him captivated for a considerable amount of time from rescueing black. Then again, he doesn't ask a lot of things he should and he certainly had a lot of things to think about at that moment so....

As to the thread's topic, Return of Sirius Black, it won't happen, not physically anyway. It would defeat the purpose of bringing about a death, if the killed just come back alive. That's not how it works, and would counter-act what we are supposed to learn about death and its consequences.

However, there probably will be some sort of interaction with him in a non-etheral but portrait type way....But seeing as we don't know much about portraits and how they are made, we really can't be sure.

[lea]

I wonder if theres a fire in the "room" thats behind the veil. I know it's a bit far-fetched, but it's a possibility! Then, people could put their head in the fire and talk to them, but not actually go to the place, because there would be no way out of the fire. (If there was, then all the dead could come out which wouldnt be good.)

[ellz]

Here is My theory-- I have been looking all over for places to discuss it. yay!

I do strongly believe the portrait theory, and here is why:


Sirius Black comes from a noble line of Dark Wizards. They are all arrogant, proud, and generally kind of unpleasant...

there are portraits all over the Grimmauld Place manse, including one as recent as his mother, whose portrait is bewitched to the wall with a Permanent Sticking Charm.

Notice that other important articles (the family tapestry, for example) have also been permanently stuck.

I think it's entirely possible that his mother could have had a portrait painted, hmm, say, around 15? before he ran away with James's family.

The House is magical (note that it isn't visible from the outside, etc etc), the family pride is obvious.... all the pieces are there.

Rowling is famous for her use of Chekhov's principle ("if you introduce a gun in the first act it is fired in the third"-- poorly paraphrased, but my point is there. ) and I think this is no exception.
She discusses portraits in relative detail, and she did NOT portray this as a thought which had occured to Harry, which immediately caught my attention as she has spent several chapters of the book on other members of the Black family in portraits.

I don't KNOW how portraits in the wizard world work, but I imagine that they "wake up" once the person in them has died. I don't think it's the same kind of magic as a wizard photo-- I think it's something a little deeper than that, because the people and things in portraits *do* things-- they communicate and think similarly to the way that the person would have if the person were alive.



SO-- now that I have spent time overjustifying--

MY theory:

There is a painting of Sirius Black. It's been damaged and scuffed up in attempts to remove it from the house, but it's been Stuck there, so the family just decides to -- why not?-- just build over it. It would be pushed into a wall somewhere, and perhaps one night it "wakes up"-- perhaps talking, screaming or something-- a noise that would call attention to his presence. Harry could possibly hear this, and everyone will panic and think that he's going crazy after seeing Sirius die.

anyhow, so Harry figures out where the sound is coming from....

Just my thoughts. Let me know what you think?
ellz