Bones

[decarus]

Originally Posted by jordmundt6

Yes, it's designed as a reset, but time lapse has a spotty history and other than Angela and Hodgins, I don't like where they left this.

Oh, i agree. I don't like where they left it either. Are we to assume that they have had no contact over the year they are apart? For it to end on such a bad note with Bones and Booth. I just don't like it.

[jordmundt6]

That was actually supposed to be a hopeful note, he went AWOL to say goodbye and they both felt it. It's supposed to be a good note. Just an indication of how much they missed the mark AGAIN with this season finale that it was a sour and unsatisfying note.

It's been a pretty sour finale season so far. Castle, Bones, Mentalist, and Medium this week all had serious problems. Dollhouse wrenched itself into a corner, Human Target went renewal begging with a finale that didn't really answer ANYTHING--and there's more to come in the next two weeks.

[decarus]

I think you are right. I think it was supposed to be a hopeful ending because Bones and Booth definitely had a moment between the two of them. It just seemed too much, the idea that they wouldn't be seeing each other for a year. We will see.

[Fawkesfan1]

Originally Posted by jordmundt6

That was actually supposed to be a hopeful note, he went AWOL to say goodbye and they both felt it. It's supposed to be a good note. Just an indication of how much they missed the mark AGAIN with this season finale that it was a sour and unsatisfying note.

It's been a pretty sour finale season so far. Castle, Bones, Mentalist, and Medium this week all had serious problems. Dollhouse wrenched itself into a corner, Human Target went renewal begging with a finale that didn't really answer ANYTHING--and there's more to come in the next two weeks.

Yep. And I can see where you're coming from there.

Agreed. They tried, and it was ok there, but I too didn't feel the hope there.

I didn't mind Medium for once. At first I was like -- huh?, but I kinda liked the whole 'Dallas' thing they pulled there . Really random and out of nowhere.

How did you think it went wrong there?

[jordmundt6]

Medium was an interesting idea and an interesting villainness with a unique plan, but two things bugged me.

1. Sledgehammer dialogue. Allison and Ariel specifically but pretty much everyone Ariel talked to except Joe and pretty much everyone Ghost Allison talked to except our deceiver. The dialogue clobbered us over the head with a slegehammer until basically Allison scared herself back to life and we resumed having a normal Medium episode. It wasn't so much Dallas with Bobby in the shower as it was ghost Magnum.

2. Allison basically became a more passive version of that FBI profiler Kurtwood Smith played in two different seasons. I couldn't see her making that choice.

The end was great, Ally even got to mouth off like her brother Michael did to the rich guy who tried to sabotage the investigation of his own murder. So, it was a painful, gut-wrenching, inelegant episode with a sweet resolution and a happy, tasteful ending that could have served as a satisfactory series-ending tableau. It was basically the opposite of the problem that Castle and The Mentalist had. Castle and The Mentalist had nice episodes (Castle better wound than The Mentalist as it turned out) but the endings were sloppy. Castle seemed like a desperate reversal from a group of writers who thought they were at the end and then had to come up with a way to "preserve the tension." Galling, but they can recover from it. The Mentalist had the more serious problem. It was a smooth episode that had a tangential resolution showing the villains of the copycat kills and then REALLY went off the rails revealing that Red John is a too-young-for-the-backstory wannabe poser ghoul which basically means that Jane got everything in his description right except the age. It's like finding out Hannibal Lecter is really your weak whiny wannabe goth kid brother. Sweets as Gormagon.

[Fawkesfan1]

Originally Posted by jordmundt6

Medium was an interesting idea and an interesting villainness with a unique plan, but two things bugged me.

1. Sledgehammer dialogue. Allison and Ariel specifically but pretty much everyone Ariel talked to except Joe and pretty much everyone Ghost Allison talked to except our deceiver. The dialogue clobbered us over the head with a slegehammer until basically Allison scared herself back to life and we resumed having a normal Medium episode. It wasn't so much Dallas with Bobby in the shower as it was ghost Magnum.

2. Allison basically became a more passive version of that FBI profiler Kurtwood Smith played in two different seasons. I couldn't see her making that choice.

The end was great, Ally even got to mouth off like her brother Michael did to the rich guy who tried to sabotage the investigation of his own murder. So, it was a painful, gut-wrenching, inelegant episode with a sweet resolution and a happy, tasteful ending that could have served as a satisfactory series-ending tableau. It was basically the opposite of the problem that Castle and The Mentalist had. Castle and The Mentalist had nice episodes (Castle better wound than The Mentalist as it turned out) but the endings were sloppy. Castle seemed like a desperate reversal from a group of writers who thought they were at the end and then had to come up with a way to "preserve the tension." Galling, but they can recover from it. The Mentalist had the more serious problem. It was a smooth episode that had a tangential resolution showing the villains of the copycat kills and then REALLY went off the rails revealing that Red John is a too-young-for-the-backstory wannabe poser ghoul which basically means that Jane got everything in his description right except the age. It's like finding out Hannibal Lecter is really your weak whiny wannabe goth kid brother. Sweets as Gormagon.

Agreed there. I was about ready to slap Alison there for bugging her poor daughter so much . Ah.

At least things ended well there. Ah good point there. I've seen a lot of shows that went down this kind of path. Here's to hoping that things straighten up there in terms of things.

[MakerofWands]

I loved how Hodgins and Angela finally got married, even though I never would have thought it would be in a jail cell. I hated the season finale though. I mean everyone goes off for one year to do whatever the heck the want. Booth is off to Afghanistan. Bones and Daisy are going to Indonesia. Hodgins and Angela are going to France.And Cam and Sweets are stuck at home with everyone else off on some adventure. Then Booth goes AWOL (to you non-military folks out there this is REALLY bad)to go see Bones off, and they don't even kiss. ARGH. I was horribly dissappointed and both me and my mom yelled in frustration at the end of the episode. Hopefully they'll make up for it in the season premier. If they don't I shall be horribly dissappointed...Again.

[jordmundt6]

I think Hart Hanson must have a disconnect from reality when it comes to season finales. He was totally blown away by the negative reception for the coma dream/short story finale last season and he seemed to think everyone would be satisfied this season that this would make up for it. He must be bewildered again.

[decarus]

I think it is because everyone is so ready for them to finally get together after all this time and here we have another disconnect. At least that is how i feel about it. I really like this show too and they had this great moment where Booth finally says that they should have a go at being together and then after that Bones was acting all like nothing had happened. Asking Booth about the girl he was dating and then there was no resolution to that. If anything there was less of a resolution now that we know there is going to be a year time cut.

[jordmundt6]

That's Temperance's coping mechanism. It always has been. There is stress relief in work, in the pursuit of great truth, in the study of past civilization, in the identification of a lost soul whether from this year, this decade, this century, this decade, or this continent. She's too scared of losing Booth's friendship and their working relationship (although now, she's even scared that her working with Booth has fundamentally changed her, made it impossible for her to effect great things and she's trapped by the tragedy of human weakness instead of exploring in search of great truth). Besides, them having a go as a direct result of that sloppy retcon flashback would have been almost as unsatisfying as what did happen. It can't be because Sweets says, it has to be because they realize that they complete one another's lives--they're close, but they're not there yet. For a Gilmore Girls fan, Brennan's reaction (trying to pretend nothing happened, and then terrified that she's lost herself is very like Paris being brought up short by the realization that she just can't comprehend a life without her soulmate Doyle--and then reacting reflexively and defensively by breaking up with him for a short time--before she realizes she's running away from her own happiness and his, that the relationship doesn't force herself to sacrifice herself, but enruches her sense of self).

[freelantzer]

Saw this quote on EW.com

EW.com So much for that one-year jump forward. I hear the gang will have been gone for just seven months when Caroline summons Booth and Brennan back to the Jeffersonian in the Sept. 23 season premiere to help Cam solve a controversial case — and save her job in the process. “The first episode begins with Brennan and Booth reuniting with the squints to save the career of one of their own,” confirms exec producer Stephen Nathan. “They each bring a new past with them as they forge their old alliances in new ways.”

Interesting twist about Cam. Otherwise, much as we predicted. Wonder how this will play out and if the writers can redeem themselves for the past two season finales.

[jordmundt6]

Whose job is in danger? That sentence is strange. Is it Cam for not being able to run things without her team? Or Caroline for ruffling too many feathers?

One of the fan favorites is supposed to become a victim of someone even scarier than the Gravedigger (I'm hoping for Ms. Wick or Sweets since losing anyone else would be a catastrophe--pray that Zach doesn't suffer the final indignity of the discarded character).

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by jordmundt6

Whose job is in danger? That sentence is strange. Is it Cam for not being able to run things without her team? Or Caroline for ruffling too many feathers?

I read it as Cam's job is in danger. But why would Caroline be the one calling everyone back?

Originally Posted by jordmundt6

One of the fan favorites is supposed to become a victim of someone even scarier than the Gravedigger (I'm hoping for Ms. Wick or Sweets since losing anyone else would be a catastrophe--pray that Zach doesn't suffer the final indignity of the discarded character).

Interesting. But are Ms. Wick or Sweets fan favorites? I wouldn't be too sad to see Ms. Wick go; I do like Sweets, but I usually see more anti-Sweets sentiment in general.

[jordmundt6]

The speculation that it was one of the interns--Joel David Moore or Wyck, or the kid Angela had a fling with (whose name I can't remember). I'm just praying that Zach isn't released only to be killed.

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by jordmundt6

The speculation that it was one of the interns--Joel David Moore or Wyck, or the kid Angela had a fling with (whose name I can't remember). I'm just praying that Zach isn't released only to be killed.

Wendell. I think that's the intern's name that dated Angela. My favorite intern is Mr. Nigel-Murray, the fact-spewing intern.

I hope they don't kill off Zach, either. I don't think they will. That would be seriously random; but then again sometimes they do things that make no sense on this show . . .

[jordmundt6]

Including that retcon of a "first case" that contradicted at least the first two seasons and tried to make us forget about John Adams and wedge Cam in there where she didn't belong. Or Zach being Gormagon's apprentice or the coma-dream amnesia thing, or the Squints diaspora in the last finale. That's why I'm scared they may be clumsy and hamhanded enough to kill off Zach. I think Nigel Murray is probably safe given that they already had a Brit archaeology murder to open a season two years ago.

[Fawkesfan1]

Originally Posted by jordmundt6

The speculation that it was one of the interns--Joel David Moore or Wyck, or the kid Angela had a fling with (whose name I can't remember). I'm just praying that Zach isn't released only to be killed.

Me too. I heard about this news over on Haven... and it kind of made me angry there. Only about Daisy being killed... but Zach... I kind of forgot about him ... I certainly hope that they don't kill him off.

[jordmundt6]

Ah, an actual Daisy fan--pleased to make your acquaintance. Look, I probably shouldn't have objection to her, but the way she's presented she's like an unhappy cross of Olive Snook and Lt. Loren Singer. Yikes.

[Fawkesfan1]

Originally Posted by jordmundt6

Ah, an actual Daisy fan--pleased to make your acquaintance. Look, I probably shouldn't have objection to her, but the way she's presented she's like an unhappy cross of Olive Snook and Lt. Loren Singer. Yikes.

Yep... both my mom and I are fans to a point. She does get on my nerves at times... but for the most part, she's ok.

Who are they (Olive Snook and Lt. Loren Singer)? I've never heard of them before....

[jordmundt6]

Oh, sorry. Olive Snook is the tiny elfin beautiful ex-jockey waitress on Pushing Daisies who was/might still be--in love with the proprietor of The Pie Hole, her boss, Ned. She's almost ferociously upbeat and beautiful and she tries to bring sunshine--and she's very tenacious. She was played by Kristin Chenoweth (the drunk tiny chick on Glee that the hero had a singer's crush on in high school). Lt. Loren Singer is a JAG refrence. She was a young lawyer on JAG (played by Nanci Chambers) who did anything and everything to get ahead from planting evidence in opposing counsel's car--deriding her coworkers, trying to foement tension in the marriages of her rivals, using every dirty trick imaginable. She even helped a disgruntled Cmdr. who used to work there dig up dirt on everyone at JAG to try to ruin everyone's careers. Put it this way--earlier in the series, the same actress had a guest spot as a Romanian assassin and the assassin was much nicer and more likeable than Singer even when she was SHOOTING at you. In other words, imagine the world's most evil bureaucrat. Make her a woman. That's Loren Singer.