Eli Stone

[HedwigOwl]

I think this is a very creative program, and really enjoy watching it. They made a smart casting choice with the main character, he's very believable. The "vision" sequences are entertaining & funny, and I find myself trying to figure out what they mean ahead of time. Anyone else watching this show?

[reallyravclawpr]

I haven't seen it yet (I usually rush here right after Lost) but it looks fantastic. Do you know if the episodes are available online?

[sllagnire]

Originally Posted by reallyravclawpr

I haven't seen it yet (I usually rush here right after Lost) but it looks fantastic. Do you know if the episodes are available online?

They are!

That is how I have been watching. Not sure what I think yet. I have to see a few more episodes to decide...

[Fawkesfan1]

I've seen the show and I love the "vision" sequences!!

Spoiler: show

The one with George Michael singing was just classic !

Hopefully this show will be given the chance to develop a good following.

[Fury]

This show is awesome! Great time slot too, and smart choice for it as well.

I love the show... the casting choice for Eli Stone was awesome! Loretta Devine is just so funny as well...

Though it does seem as if they are rushing the storyline? Doesn't it?

[Fawkesfan1]

Originally Posted by Fury

This show is awesome! Great time slot too, and smart choice for it as well.

I love the show... the casting choice for Eli Stone was awesome! Loretta Devine is just so funny as well...

Though it does seem as if they are rushing the storyline? Doesn't it?

Yea it does, they need to slow down somewhat so that the show itself can grow and gain a good following. If they don't do that, then the show itself most likely won't do as well as it could be.

[HedwigOwl]

Originally Posted by Fury

This show is awesome! Great time slot too, and smart choice for it as well.

I love the show... the casting choice for Eli Stone was awesome! Loretta Devine is just so funny as well...

Though it does seem as if they are rushing the storyline? Doesn't it?

Personally, I don't think they're rushing it. They had to get Eli out of the big corporate environment, it was very unlikely things would have worked out, since Eli was not inclined to take the cases they were giving him, and the firm was not seeking out the cases Eli's visions made him follow. It's more believable the way it ended in the last episode. It also sets up a complex relationship between Eli, the firm, the cases, his ex-fiance, and should-have-been father-in-law, and allows character changes/growth in all of them.

[goonie102]

That's Show Is Ok I Watched The Very First Episode But Could Not Get Into It

[HedwigOwl]

Originally Posted by goonie102

That's Show Is Ok I Watched The Very First Episode But Could Not Get Into It

Ah, you need more than one episode....more like 4 - 6. It's like reading a book, you sometimes have to get a fair way into it before deciding.

Next episode is Sunday, April 13 (special day/time). I hope it's picked up for a second season.

[Fury]

There was a new episode of Eli Stone last night... and I loved it!

I really, really hate Katey Sagal's (sp?) character. She makes me so mad. I was actually happy that the earthquake happened. Made them actually believe, like and respect Eli more. Though I must say the Golden Gate Bridge being partly destroyed was quite a spectacular sight to see!

I really liked Victor Garber's character in this episode! Loved him at the end "I want a recount!"

Next episode is the season finale, and it looks kinda sad. Can't wait for it.

[sllagnire]

I really liked it too! I loved the line "I want a revote." Great. Good episode.

[friendofpotter]

Originally Posted by sllagnire

I really liked it too! I loved the line "I want a revote." Great. Good episode.

Couldn't agree more. I just hope they don't cancel it. It's on the "bubble" so I hope it gets renewed next fall.

[HedwigOwl]

Did anyone watch the season finale? It seems that the anuerysm wasn't the cause of the visions, he was having them after surgery, though unconscious.

[jordmundt6]

Seeing Jordan reassert himself that simply was just classic. I'm a little concerned about where they're moving Eli personally--is he with his ex, is he with Maggie--is he with Singing Holmes? What's up? They're going to have to walk a very fine line if that "Live Brave" rally is supposed to be an endpoint for the series. I suppose it is possible that Macaroni and her Ohio squeeze have a kid and that she remains close with Eli--but it's a little tough to read at this point. I enjoyed Sigourney Weaver's turn as the analyst/angel--but, the idea of a regrowth of an aneurysm is a little far-fetched.

[HedwigOwl]

Originally Posted by jordmundt6

Seeing Jordan reassert himself that simply was just classic. I'm a little concerned about where they're moving Eli personally--is he with his ex, is he with Maggie--is he with Singing Holmes? What's up? They're going to have to walk a very fine line if that "Live Brave" rally is supposed to be an endpoint for the series. I suppose it is possible that Macaroni and her Ohio squeeze have a kid and that she remains close with Eli--but it's a little tough to read at this point. I enjoyed Sigourney Weaver's turn as the analyst/angel--but, the idea of a regrowth of an aneurism is a little far-fetched.

I don't think he's with anybody, definitely not his ex (she just had closure issues). Not sure about Maggie, because she's not sure either, so difficult to tell. Don't know what the Katie Holmes thing will be, sometimes the clips are pretty misleading. About the regrowth of the aneurysm, the percentage is small (found a study where the rate was 3%), so not widespread, but definitely a risk for some.

[jordmundt6]

Okay, so they didn't just make it up. That was good. I also thoroughly enjoyed Jordan's crisis of faith in this episode and him turning over just a hair of the Jack Bristow Spy-Daddy cool to slam that parasitic sub-prime mortgage bottom-feeder. It was probably meant as a catharsis for all of us that God (big G) literally dropped a big freakin' crane on the head of a cutthroat who preyed on the weakest people in our nation for a quick and solid profit--and set off a feeding frenzy that brought the entire U.S. economy under threat. Sigourney Weaver is aging a bit like Dyan Cannon did in the '90s. At 59, Ms. Weaver still can be a commanding presence and can look beautiful, but worry lines are visible in her forehead, and her neck betrays her age. This is the same transition Cannon went through as a recurring guest on Ally McBeal just after she turned 60. Good genes are good genes--but there are limits for everyone. I suppose I should be relieved about that, a sign that there is a touch of normality about them. Just an idle musing.

Anyway--back to what I was really talking about. I loved seeing Jordan walk out of that meeting. It's a tremendous amount of personal growth for him. I was a little disheartened that GREED Incarnate was played by Dakin Matthews, aka good ol' Headmaster Charleston. Still, it's good to see him in good health and still working.

About Taylor--I'm indescribably HORRIFIED that they have her pursuing a relationship with the Morality-Free-Zone, aka Matt Dowd. I know this show is about redemption, growth, the elevation of the human spirit through divine grace and charity...but there are limits. Matt Dowd is an incorrigible rake in the worst sense of the word, and proud of it. He doesn't believe that there should be any restraints on his behavior, and the only thing that holds him back is fear of getting caught...or, on his better days, fear of isolation. He's the unholy fusion of Richard Fish and Frank Burns--Fish without the charm. They tried for a couple of episodes last year to force-feed the man a heart and soul before he forcibly spat them back out.

Exhibit A--Dowd trying to help his ex gain joint custody of her as-yet unborn daughter;

Exhibit B--Dowd going through that growth arc with the Jayson Turk trial. Jayson Turk was his favorite baseball player--and why not? The man was a fusion of Josh Gibson and Barry Bonds. Dowd was his biggest fan and defended him to the hilt--almost not accepting the idea of having to use an insanity defense to the murder charge that would require the admission of steroid use. Then, at the end of all of it, Turk got his wife to perjure herself on the stand and accuse the ADA of prosecutorial misconduct (resulting in a dismissal with prejudice that eliminated the murder charge AND the steroids confession). It was a brilliant strategy worthy of Eugene Young (just kidding) but it proved just how far Turk had fallen. Seeing that, Dowd went into Jordan Weathersby's office and begged him to cut ties with Turk, to forfeit the profits on the new endorsement deals. Jordan did it--and at the time, he stated that Matt showed the sort of character and leadership that Eli might have had once, but had no longer. I'm not sure that Matt Dowd in Season 2 wouldn't just take the money and forget about it.

Anyway, what I meant to say is that it speaks horrible volumes about Taylor that she could leave Eli and enter into anything but a temporary dalliance with Matt. He's handsome and can be charming when he wants to be. That would explain one drunken frolic--maybe even an initial rebound date--but a six-month relationship? Absolutely not. He is now and always has been the worst kind of pig. Barring a miracle, he will always be a pig. Beautiful, intelligent women with even a modicum of self-respect do not permanently tie themselves to such boorish twerps.

[HedwigOwl]

Originally Posted by jordmundt6

About Taylor--I'm indescribably HORRIFIED that they have her pursuing a relationship with the Morality-Free-Zone, aka Matt Dowd. I know this show is about redemption, growth, the elevation of the human spirit through divine grace and charity...but there are limits. Matt Dowd is an incorrigible rake in the worst sense of the word, and proud of it. He doesn't believe that there should be any restraints on his behavior, and the only thing that holds him back is fear of getting caught...or, on his better days, fear of isolation. He's the unholy fusion of Richard Fish and Frank Burns--Fish without the charm. They tried for a couple of episodes last year to force-feed the man a heart and soul before he forcibly spat them back out.

Richard Fish and Frank Burns -- hilarious -- and accurate, in my opinion. I don't like Matt Dowd's character either.

Exhibit A--Dowd trying to help his ex gain joint custody of her as-yet unborn daughter;

Exhibit B--Dowd going through that growth arc with the Jayson Turk trial. Jayson Turk was his favorite baseball player--and why not? The man was a fusion of Josh Gibson and Barry Bonds. Dowd was his biggest fan and defended him to the hilt--almost not accepting the idea of having to use an insanity defense to the murder charge that would require the admission of steroid use. Then, at the end of all of it, Turk got his wife to perjure herself on the stand and accuse the ADA of prosecutorial misconduct (resulting in a dismissal with prejudice that eliminated the murder charge AND the steroids confession). It was a brilliant strategy worthy of Eugene Young (just kidding) but it proved just how far Turk had fallen. Seeing that, Dowd went into Jordan Weathersby's office and begged him to cut ties with Turk, to forfeit the profits on the new endorsement deals. Jordan did it--and at the time, he stated that Matt showed the sort of character and leadership that Eli might have had once, but had no longer. I'm not sure that Matt Dowd in Season 2 wouldn't just take the money and forget about it.

Anyway, what I meant to say is that it speaks horrible volumes about Taylor that she could leave Eli and enter into anything but a temporary dalliance with Matt. He's handsome and can be charming when he wants to be. That would explain one drunken frolic--maybe even an initial rebound date--but a six-month relationship? Absolutely not. He is now and always has been the worst kind of pig. Barring a miracle, he will always be a pig. Beautiful, intelligent women with even a modicum of self-respect do not permanently tie themselves to such boorish twerps.

Yep, don't know what Taylor's doing with Matt, she was pretty annoyed with him last season after she found out he lied to her about his father being deceased. There's an obvious inference that they're attracted to each other, but I hope you're right about the relationship being temporary. Hopefully he's just a rebound guy. By the way, I thought that Eli ended it with Taylor, not the other way around.

[jordmundt6]

He broke up with her for her own good after the engagement party fiasco (after she almost dumped him out of reflex when she found out he had an aneurysm in the pilot). But then they tried to patch things up several times--(the Zayer motor case was the biggest example where they actually made plans and then requirements of his job sent him to Hawaii to track down the disappeared witness). They were still working on reconciling up through the George Michael benefit when Eli was going to ask about getting back together and Taylor preempted him by asking that they keep their distance. That was the nail in the coffin--her saying that. Then, he turned to Beth when he felt isolated and Taylor felt abandoned and depressed which is why she got bombed on margaritas with Matt. The thing that's even more infuriating about Matt is that he used to be a nice guy. Back in college, he actually formed a serious attachment that he kept for over ten years as a friendship--but he never sought to form another serious relationship--he spent so much time repressing his feelings about that and slipping into the macho womanizer guise that he became what he pretended to be and the glimpses of his former self that came out in Exhibits A and B last season almost seem like they happened to a different person. The extended version of the pilot actually has an exchange between Eli and Matt outside the conference room after Eli offered $90,000 where Matt sums himself up succinctly as incapable of commitment with all the attached crassness that he so often uses.

[jordmundt6]

I was actually pretty impressed with Katie Holmes' guest spot and hope to see her again for spring sweeps. I'm glad things worked out--mostly for Jordan, that he'll have the juice to keep the building and start his own practice--a practice he and Eli can be proud of (and Taylor can be proud to be a part of if she uses both her heart and her brain--which is rather hit-and-miss for her). I'm a little perturbed that Eli's brother is engaged but we don't see the fiancee or the prospective stepson at ALL. Too expensive to hire either of them for recurring?

I'm terrified for Maggie at this point. Turns out, she's a lot like Jordan (actually typed Taylor there and didn't catch it for over a day). High ideals and a good heart--but one reasonable compromise begets another and another until the practice of law is about compromise and money instead of about doing good. I really hope Eli can help her save herself from that pit.

[HedwigOwl]

Originally Posted by jordmundt6

I was actually pretty impressed with Katie Holmes' guest spot and hope to see her again for spring sweeps. I'm glad things worked out--mostly for Jordan, that he'll have the juice to keep the building and start his own practice--a practice he and Eli can be proud of (and Taylor can be proud to be a part of if she uses both her heart and her brain--which is rather hit-and-miss for her). I'm a little perturbed that Eli's brother is engaged but we don't see the fiancee or the prospective stepson at ALL. Too expensive to hire either of them for recurring?

I don't know if bringing the Katie Holmes' character back is a good idea. Sounds like her health is just as/more precarious than Eli's. How do you reasonably develop that plotline?

I'm terrified for Maggie at this point. Turns out, she's a lot like Jordan (actually typed Taylor there and didn't catch it for over a day). High ideals and a good heart--but one reasonable compromise begets another and another until the practice of law is about compromise and money instead of about doing good. I really hope Eli can help her save herself from that pit.

I'm not sure about that whole sequence -- for instance, why was Maggie able to interact with Eli (asking him what he was doing there) in his vision? Correct me if I'm wrong, but usually there's no interaction when Eli sees actual past or future events, only when it's a symbolic vision.