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Old October 7th, 2008, 5:35 am
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Sociology of Harry Potter 101

Discussion of the editorial Sociology of Harry Potter by Rachel LaBozetta.


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Old October 8th, 2008, 12:46 am
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Re: Sociology of Harry Potter 101

I enjoyed reading this very much.

I would also liked to have read where the Dursleys fit in with their abhorrence of Magic and the people associated with it.

And how does the House affiliation play into this? Is there not real prejudice shown against Slytherin?


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Old October 8th, 2008, 6:21 pm
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In response to FernRL:

You know... I actually thought about putting in the Dursleys but then I thought that it might be easier to write solely about the Magical world and not the Muggle world (because the only people we really have to go by who are Muggles in the HP series are the Dursleys and I doubt they are representative of the entire Muggle population when it comes to knowing and understanding wizardkind. Plus, Muggles aren't supposed to know about wizards, right?).

There is prejudice shown against Slytherin house due to the long bitter history between Slytherin himself and the other founders. But the problem is we only know a very limited amount about it. But that's still a really good point on prejudice. Because it's definately there when it comes to that house and how the other houses percieve them. it's really comes down to the fact that its a prejudice generalization/stereotype that surounds that house. I'm sure not everyone that's in it is a Malfoy type or dreams of becoming a Death Eater. But that's how, at the very least, Gryffindors, see them. And that is prejudice.


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Old October 10th, 2008, 8:32 am
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I very much enjoyed that, an interesting way of looking at things indeed.


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Re: Sociology of Harry Potter 101

Interesting, certainly, though I confess I didn't quite see the point of it. I reckon it's quite a good introduction as to what Sociology is, though! (Since I didn't really know what sociology was before I read this editorial!)


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Old October 13th, 2008, 4:22 am
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Re: Sociology of Harry Potter 101

It's interesting that part veela should be as looked down upon (according to the radical pure blood viewpoint) as half giant or half any other mixture - but we never see that in the books. There is zero indication that Fleur is looked down upon in any way. I suppose it helps you gain acceptance if those who would normally discriminate against you would much rather date you.


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Old October 13th, 2008, 10:21 pm
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It's interesting that part veela should be as looked down upon (according to the radical pure blood viewpoint) as half giant or half any other mixture - but we never see that in the books. There is zero indication that Fleur is looked down upon in any way. I suppose it helps you gain acceptance if those who would normally discriminate against you would much rather date you.
True, true: If we ignore Molly, Ginny and Hermione's opinions of her, and whether we consider unwanted and uninvited attention "of that kind" to be in any way demeaning.

Still, if "Phlegm" is "looked down on" by Molly, Ginny and Hermione, being who they are, none of them would admit to having the slightest taint Racialist sentiments, themselves. Their stated reason? They (and a great many fans) perceive Fleur as stuck-up and arrogant ... although near as I can tell, the sum of her offense is to say rude things about English cooking. My own take on the situation is that the English women (Muggle and Wizard, alike) are threatened and offended by the effect the exotic part-Veela has on "their men." That's a failure of "Sistershood" not one of "Racial Egalitarianism."

Yet from what we can see, while half-Giants may be looked down on as being "not quite the thing" in the "Best Wizards' social circles," -- and Madame Maxime seems to have some profound denial and self-hatred going about her Giant heritage, -- half Giants do not seem to be subject to overt, systematic practical discrimination. In front of the students she is treated as the professional and social equal of both other Heads.

Injustice and unfairness seem to be part and parcel of the Wizard legal system, not so much because of Racialism or Class Consciousness as such, but because "logical thinking" is just not a Wizard strong point, as Dumbledore observes. So, while Hagrid is judged unfairly ... first expelled from Hogwarts, then on another occasion imprisoned, on no evidence and dubious logic ... his treatment is no worse than that handed out to Stan Shunpike and at least two other unnamed fall-Wizards during the run-up to the Second Voldemort War. More importantly, until he was blamed for the death of Moaning Myrtle, Hagrid was admitted to Hogwarts and permitted to own a Wand, like any other Wizard child.

However, we do not see Fleur or Hagrid interacting with English Wizarding society on their own. Hagrid rarely leaves the grounds of Hogwarts where he enjoys the full benefit of Dumbledore's personal patronage and protection. Fluer, at first enjoys a certain "diplomatic immunity" as part of the Beauxbatons contingent, whose Headmistress is, after all at least Half Giant. ( BTW: In the GoF movie, ALL the Beauxbatons are represented as part-Vela super-babes.) Later, by marrying a Weasly, she enjoys the middling level status and legitimacy Weasly clan -- not well off, but impeccably Pure and Ancient.

I think where I'm going with this is that JKR drew Wizard society as being very similar to our own insofar as HUMAN beings are concerned. That is, outside a small (though sometimes militant) Conservative elite, overt expression of Racialism or Class Conciousness is simply 'not done,' while the vestages of Sexism are simply "not noticed."

On the subject of Species-ism, I think JKR intended to make a much bigger issue of it until after the publication of OotP, when she started getting negative feedback on the "S.P.E.W." affair and general apathy on issues raised by the Statues in the Ministry. Accordingly she trimmed her sails, and improved the Tale by down playing disturbing and uninteresting elements that didn't advance the Hero's Plot.


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