The Deathly Hallows films v.4

[MoodysMagicEye]

Little casting news like this just makes me want to know who's play Xeno, but I think we'll be in for a long wait

[decarus]

I don't think they should have to add stuff to the film. I know things will be different then the books but a few scenes seems like a big difference. I know we now have 2 films of around 2.5 hours but there is still so much going on in the book. I agree when i was reading this i was thinking she will probably just been in a photo, but then it said a 3 or 4 scenes with only a few days filming, I was like what. I mean i could imagine one scene at the most but not a 3 or 4 scenes.

My only thoughts are that she is present at the burrow/the wedding which i guess i would be okay with. I just don't understand what her lines would be except some discussion about sending her away.

[JustAnIllusion]

Originally Posted by yoshi2542

Looks like those of us saying the DH movies would be substantially padded out with frivolous material are being proved right. What other trivial scenes are planned, I wonder?

I think the trio should somehow make a detour to America. Or they can break out in song! Or they can have a Mystery Inc. moment in the woods!

... and I'm only kidding, of course

[lcbaseball22]

Originally Posted by yoshi2542

Looks like those of us saying the DH movies would be substantially padded out with frivolous material are being proved right. What other trivial scenes are planned, I wonder?

Err, no. This doesn't prove anything. Your just jumping to conclusions! It's an interesting announcement for sure though

Wait until we find out more and then you can complain...I doubt it'll be "padded out with frivolous material"

If anything they are still going to be rushed for time to fit everything from the book plus fixing all the times they've "shot themselves in the foot" into the 4.5-5 hours of film. They'll need a substantial amount of time to fix Harry and Ginny's relationship, Dobby, ect!

[JustAnIllusion]

Originally Posted by lcbaseball22

Wait until we find out more and then you can complain...I doubt it'll be "padded out with frivolous material"

If anything they are still going to be rushed for time to fit everything from the book plus fixing all the times they've "shot themselves in the foot" into the 4.5-5 hours of film. They'll need a substantial amount of time to fix Harry and Ginny's relationship, Dobby, ect!

First, I don't think the sarcasm is necessarily called for . Often times I wonder why there is a smiley for eye rolling. Second, we don't know that Harry and Ginny's relationship even needs "fixing." HBP hasn't come out yet! I'm sure many fans would agree that their relationship wasn't meaningful enough in the books (I would disagree, but I definitely understand where those people might be coming from ), and I'm thinking that Yates is doing a good thing by altering it. Then he can arch their storyline properly for the last three movies.

[lcbaseball22]

Originally Posted by JustAnIllusion

Second, we don't know that Harry and Ginny's relationship even needs "fixing." HBP hasn't come out yet! I'm sure many fans would agree that their relationship wasn't meaningful enough in the books (I would disagree, but I definitely understand where those people might be coming from ), and I'm thinking that Yates is doing a good thing by altering it. Then he can arch their storyline properly for the last three movies.

Actually we do know this. We could wait to see it for ourselves but plenty of test screeners have already seen it and we'll just come to the same conclusion. He lusts after her, they kiss and that's it. It's a short peck without emotion, his eyes are closed, and they don't even touch. Harry just stands there like a lump and it looks like a rejection. They don't get together after that - he doesn't recover from the shock and chase her down to kiss her properly or anything. Which is just not believable. If he REALLY wanted her...he would have chased after her. Essentially the H/G romantic relationship is non-existent. So yes, it will need "fixing"

[meesha1971]

Originally Posted by lcbaseball22

Actually we do know this. We could wait to see it for ourselves but plenty of test screeners have already seen it and we'll just come to the same conclusion. He lusts after her, they kiss and that's it. It's a short peck without emotion, his eyes are closed, and they don't even touch. Harry just stands there like a lump and it looks like a rejection. They don't get together after that - he doesn't recover from the shock and chase her down to kiss her properly or anything. Which is just not believable. If he REALLY wanted her...he would have chased after her. Essentially the H/G romantic relationship is non-existent. So yes, it will need "fixing"

I agree. That has been one of my biggest concerns about HBP. Now I personally don't see any problem with how this relationship was developed in the story as Jo wrote it, but there are those who feel it wasn't done very well. But those complaints typically fall along the lines of there not being enough shown about the relationship. They wanted to see more meaningful interaction between Harry and Ginny as a couple. They wanted to see them together.

What we're getting in HBP is less development of that relationship. There's some marginal build up to show they like each other, but it never comes to anything in the film from what we've seen thus far. An emotionless peck on the lips that seems to come across as Harry rejecting Ginny is the extent of it. She walks away and he just stands there like a lump. He doesn't go after her and kiss her properly. He doesn't tell her how he feels. They don't start dating. They meander along as they are until the end - and they even cut that wonderful dialog between Harry and Ginny at the end. He won't be telling Ginny why they can't be together even though he really wants them to be. Instead, Ginny overhears Harry telling Ron and Hermione his plans and, again, walks away rejected. So, yeah, they've got some major fixing to do in order for this relationship to be believable in DH.

As for Hermione's mother being cast, I think it's too early to judge this as "filler". There were similar discussions with HBP regarding a lot of the casting announcements and those turned out to be pictures or guests for Slughorn's party. As someone else already pointed out, it may very well be that they're just going to have Hermione carrying a picture of her parents with her. It may also be that they're going to film a scene to show Hermione altering her parents' memories to protect them - which could also be a flashback as Hermione is explaining that to Harry. And Mrs. Granger could very well end up on the cutting room floor like Young Lily did with OOTP. At this point, I really don't see anything to complain about. There are a lot of possible reasons they would cast Hermione's parents.

[decarus]

One thing i don't understand is whether Ron and Hermione know that Ginny and Harry kiss. I think that was the strangest thing to leave out because when are they going to find out. I would assume that Hermione knows even if ron doesn't. I am still hoping that the funeral will be in the film and we might get some lines at the end. I know it's just hoping but we will see.

[JustAnIllusion]

Originally Posted by lcbaseball22

Actually we do know this. We could wait to see it for ourselves but plenty of test screeners have already seen it and we'll just come to the same conclusion. He lusts after her, they kiss and that's it. It's a short peck without emotion, his eyes are closed, and they don't even touch. Harry just stands there like a lump and it looks like a rejection. They don't get together after that - he doesn't recover from the shock and chase her down to kiss her properly or anything. Which is just not believable. If he REALLY wanted her...he would have chased after her. Essentially the H/G romantic relationship is non-existent. So yes, it will need "fixing"

Actually, we do not, IMO; those were merely opinions of a few test screeners. The movie will have been editted by the release date, whether or not the kiss has emotion is subjective, and technically H/G also almost kiss before this, so there is more to the relationship.

We only have hearsay to go by at the moment, and personally, I do not think that is enough to already decide that DH should fix it. Thus, whether it will need "fixing" or not should be a matter discussed after July, IMHO.

Yates obviously has a plan for these three movies, otherwise he wouldn't have taken on the projects. Surely he wouldn't have set up a relationship in a certain way, only to change it in the latter two films? If anything, his development of the H/G ship in both HBP and DH will have been part of his grand scheme, whatever that movie layout may be.

I would also appreciate it if I could openly express my opinion without getting berated by constant reminders of how wrong I am .

[MasterOfDeath]

Originally Posted by JustAnIllusion

First, I don't think the sarcasm is necessarily called for . Often times I wonder why there is a smiley for eye rolling. Second, we don't know that Harry and Ginny's relationship even needs "fixing." HBP hasn't come out yet! I'm sure many fans would agree that their relationship wasn't meaningful enough in the books (I would disagree, but I definitely understand where those people might be coming from ), and I'm thinking that Yates is doing a good thing by altering it. Then he can arch their storyline properly for the last three movies.

Yeah, I happen to be one of the people who don't find the development of Harry and Ginny's relationship wholly satisfying in the books. I was happy to hear that they changed the romance for the film, especially since alot of the set-up for their relationship was cut from the other movies. (e.g the scene around Christmas at Grimmauld Place, the library/chocolate scene etc).

I agree with you that the films can actually improve on this.

I disagree with you both, Meesha and LcBaseball on this...I don't think we know for certain how the romance will play out in HBP. We know the technical details of what happens in the plot, but we do not know precisely how these events are dramatized in the proper context of the narrative of the film. Layer the music in there and we might have a slightly longing and unfulfilled romance here.

It looks like they are taking the route to have Harry and Ginny's relationship slowly built-up over the three films so that it is a big satisfactory moment when they finally get together, replacing the relationship, break-up and reunion cycle of the book with a gradual and slower development of their love, which in my opinion might improve upon it.

About Hermione's mother being cast, this reminds me of another recent bit of news we got about a friend of Hermione's being cast...hmm..I think Meesha has it spot-on. A picture is most-likely. It wouldn't hurt to have a face to go along with Hermione's story of how she befunded her parents. I also recall many fans being disappointed that Hermione's turmoil and inner-conflict in altering her parent's memories being slightly brushed aside.

It's understandable that anti-splitters would be getting weary about this and start to suspect that their suspicions might be correct. Certainly understandable.

Ironically, as a big supporter of the split, I am happy that it seems even this early on, that many of the supporting character's backstories will be drawn out a little and the characters afforded the depth they rightly deserve from the book.

Even if this all ends up on the cutting room floor, it gives me hope that maybe they film these likely to be cut scenes for a reason: the ultimate DVD extended edition boxset..

Anyway, I hope the up-standing fans who do not support the split don't get upset or angry if I express a sort-of satisfaction with these new developments. I fully admit I could be wrong, and my geeky wide-eyed love for these books may be clouding my perception of what makes an objective good movie, but yeah, that's who I am and these are my opinions.

The opposition to the split has provided me with some great arguments lately, though things get heated very often, I really do respect and appreciate these different opinions.

(Sorry, just felt I needed to calm the tension a little bit... )

[JustAnIllusion]

Originally Posted by MasterOfDeath

Yeah, I happen to be one of the people who don't find the development of Harry and Ginny's relationship wholly satisfying in the books. I was happy to hear that they changed the romance for the film, especially since alot of the set-up for their relationship was cut from the other movies. (e.g the scene around Christmas at Grimmauld Place, the library/chocolate scene etc).

I agree with you that the films can actually improve on this.

I disagree with you both, Meesha and LcBaseball on this...I don't think we know for certain how the romance will play out in HBP. We know the technical details of what happens in the plot, but we do not know precisely how these events are dramatized in the proper context of the narrative of the film. Layer the music in there and we might have a slightly longing and unfulfilled romance here.

Absolutely.

It looks like they are taking the route to have Harry and Ginny's relationship slowly built-up over the three films so that it is a big satisfactory moment when they finally get together, replacing the relationship, break-up and reunion cycle of the book with a gradual and slower development of their love, which in my opinion might improve upon it.

I think that this route will be more effective, too.

It's understandable that anti-splitters would be getting weary about this and start to suspect that their suspicions might be correct. Certainly understandable.

Thank you .

[ArryGrotter]

Mrs Granger's casting has be very intruiged. She was not shown in physical form in DH, so why cast her? Perhaps they will have Hermione take a photograph of her parents with her while they are on their hunt?

[decarus]

I think that what we know about HBP that there is a lot of development of their relationship. Harry and Ginny have multiple 'moments' which they don't really have in the book. They have a moment at the beginning when harry comes to the burrow, they have the moment when he stands when she enters late to the slug club, they have the moment on the stairs before the burrow attack, then of course the burrow attack where Ginny chases after Harry and he then stands between her and the death eaters, then of course the kiss.

I am not sure of any others at the moment but there is some development there. I agree it is different then the book, but i think that is necessary because while i like how it works in the book, we can't actually see harry's thoughts so they have to show more visually that there is something going on between them.

Like i said the strangest thing for me is that it seems Ron and Hermione are unaware that they kiss. Hermione is aware that Harry likes Ginny. I think she and Harry discuss it on the stairs after Ron kisses Lavander, but it seems strange that Ron should be so unaware. It just makes me wonder when he will become aware of the fact. They may never show hi become aware in DH. I just hope they don't give the Ron/Hermione kiss to Ginny/Harry.

[DML1991]

Originally Posted by JustAnIllusion

I think that this route will be more effective, too.

I completely agree. It really depends on how much Yates dramatizes it, if he makes it a more emotional, build up to the series finale, it's a much more believable relationship, even if melodramatic.

[meesha1971]

Originally Posted by decarus

One thing i don't understand is whether Ron and Hermione know that Ginny and Harry kiss. I think that was the strangest thing to leave out because when are they going to find out. I would assume that Hermione knows even if ron doesn't. I am still hoping that the funeral will be in the film and we might get some lines at the end. I know it's just hoping but we will see.

Well, it's not clear. There is a moment with the bird attack scene where Hermione asks Harry if it hurts him to see Ginny with Dean as much as it hurts here to see Ron with Lavender and she says that she knows Harry loves Ginny. But I haven't seen anything regarding whether either Hermione or Ron know anything about the kiss. Since it does not appear that Harry and Ginny actually get together in the film, my guess would be that they don't.

Originally Posted by MasterOfDeath

I disagree with you both, Meesha and LcBaseball on this...I don't think we know for certain how the romance will play out in HBP. We know the technical details of what happens in the plot, but we do not know precisely how these events are dramatized in the proper context of the narrative of the film. Layer the music in there and we might have a slightly longing and unfulfilled romance here.

It looks like they are taking the route to have Harry and Ginny's relationship slowly built-up over the three films so that it is a big satisfactory moment when they finally get together, replacing the relationship, break-up and reunion cycle of the book with a gradual and slower development of their love, which in my opinion might improve upon it.

Maybe - maybe not. From what we've seen thus far, that does not appear to be the case. I really hope I am wrong about that, but I've learned not to get my hopes up regarding these movies.

The problem here is that DH does not provide any good opportunity for building up Harry and Ginny's relationship. They're both at the Burrow for a brief time and then the trio leaves - completely isolated for nearly a year. Harry won't see Ginny again until they arrive at Hogwarts in part 2. And that's the final battle - definitely no time for building romance there. At this point, I really do not see any way for them to make that work. They really needed to develop the romance in HBP and it does not appear that they have. It doesn't matter what kind of music is playing, Harry standing there like a lump when Ginny kisses him and walks away is most likely going to come across as a rejection. Unless they have a scene where Harry chases after her and kisses her properly - or at least tells her how he feels - I really don't see that working. Giving that relationship less development than it had in the book is not a good idea, IMO and I think that will possibly fall flat in the film for both HBP as well as DH.

About Hermione's mother being cast, this reminds me of another recent bit of news we got about a friend of Hermione's being cast...hmm..I think Meesha has it spot-on. A picture is most-likely. It wouldn't hurt to have a face to go along with Hermione's story of how she befunded her parents. I also recall many fans being disappointed that Hermione's turmoil and inner-conflict in altering her parent's memories being slightly brushed aside.

I agree. I think a picture is most likely, but it's also possible that they will do a brief flashback to show Hermione the lengths Hermione went to in protecting her parents. Either way, I think that could work very well.

[mexicant]

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[MHPFAN]

One of the things I hated most about this book was the epilogue. So, I wouldn't mind not having it during the movie. However, I understand why we would need it. There needs to be closure, and of course, that would be the obvious way. If the filmmakers were to change it up a bit, then that would be great; for me anyway.

[ThaiHPFan]

Originally Posted by yoshi2542

Looks like those of us saying the DH movies would be substantially padded out with frivolous material are being proved right. What other trivial scenes are planned, I wonder?

I have no idea about what Kloves has in mind, but I can already imagine many ways to include her and NOT making the scenes trivial. We can have some sort of montage in the beginning showing how the trio are preparing for their journey,and include a glimpse of Hermione fixing her parents' memory there (after all, we need to hear some explanation about what Ron and Hermione told their families before they left their homes, and to actually see it happen would be better than just hearing about it).

Also, they could have Hermione carrying a photo of her parents with her, and maybe looking at it during the hopeless parts of their journey.

Near the end, they could have another montage showing what happens to everybody after the war, including Hermione reuniting with her parents.

If Ms. Granger is cast for those kinds of scenes, I wouldn't call her an unnecessary part of the movie. Anyway, I'm not against them adding more scenes at the end to wrap things up (especially between the end of the war and the epilouge, the book just provides too little information there).

[yoshi2542]

I guess it could work, if she's kept to a non-speaking role, like in COS. They've got to fill those 4 hours with something!

[Pearl_Took]

Hmmm. That's certainly interesting news about Hermione's mother being cast.

I'm actually fine with them adding scenes, for what it's worth.